Why do you believe God exists? - page 19.

BADecker

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on October 31, 2018, 07:30:43 PM

Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD Kiss

Can you prove that BTGEB (Bobby The God-Eating Bear) exists?

Unless you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, God does not exist because it will be eaten by the BTGEB.

If you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, then apply the same method to God.

It logically follows that God does not exist.

BTGEB is only another name you are applying to Satan.

God created Satan for good. God gave Satan great enough wisdom so that Satan walked with God on "the fiery stones." Some people think that Satan may even have been third highest in Heaven at one time.

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

The reason it is difficult to see how God is doing this is, God does things with His strength. Nobody deters God, not even Satan. So, God is doing what He set out to do, while at the same time pulling Satan's destructive forces out of it all, and destroying them.

BTGEB is dead, killed by God. We are simply to minuscule in our little lives to understand it easily.

Now, the question is, will you continue to follow BTGEB/Satan and be destroyed along with him? Or will you turn to be saved by God as He wants you to be?

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MoonCrypt

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Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD Kiss

BADecker

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Quote from: Astargath on October 31, 2018, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2018, 10:10:31 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 30, 2018, 02:29:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

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wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

You can't prove that I haven't proven it. Cool

Of course I can, I repeatedly asked you on the other thread if you could prove the cause of the universe had to be 1 thing and 1 thing only and you resorted to saying some stupid shit about god being one and the outside of the universe being one, lmao

Nobody forces you to understand proof, or to admit that you understand it when you do, or to post that you understand.

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Astargath

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Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2018, 10:10:31 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 30, 2018, 02:29:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

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wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

You can't prove that I haven't proven it. Cool

Of course I can, I repeatedly asked you on the other thread if you could prove the cause of the universe had to be 1 thing and 1 thing only and you resorted to saying some stupid shit about god being one and the outside of the universe being one, lmao

BADecker

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Quote from: Astargath on October 30, 2018, 02:29:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

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wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

You can't prove that I haven't proven it. Cool

Sealis

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I believe in God. But I don't believe that my religion is above all others. Now as to why... Well, I don't really have any. I just do. I question his existence at times and ask why this and that happens but I can still say that I do believe in him. It's just based on my belief though.

Astargath

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Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

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wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

BADecker

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Quote from: ?? on ??

wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

snakey

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Birth , the rotation of earth , the sun ...
All makes me think that what is the driving force behind it? If you say sun is just helium ball then from where helium came??

BADecker

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Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 05:10:55 PM

Quote from: CoinCube on October 17, 2018, 03:47:20 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 01:51:47 PM

Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:14:16 AM

There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

There is plenty of evidence of simple living beings evolving to really complex animals, they didn't need a creator.

Spontaneous and autonomous emergence of complex behavior is not evidence against a creator.

For Example:

Google's DeepMind AI Just Taught Itself To Walk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ

There is no evidence of a creator, there is evidence that we evolved though.

And no, you can't prove god, using ''logic''.

Who needs evidence since we have proof - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 ?

Basic proof for God:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

More proof for God - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46997819

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Astargath

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Quote from: CoinCube on October 17, 2018, 03:47:20 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 01:51:47 PM

Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:14:16 AM

There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

There is plenty of evidence of simple living beings evolving to really complex animals, they didn't need a creator.

Spontaneous and autonomous emergence of complex behavior is not evidence against a creator.

For Example:

Google's DeepMind AI Just Taught Itself To Walk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ

There is no evidence of a creator, there is evidence that we evolved though.

And no, you can't prove god, using ''logic''.

CoinCube

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Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 01:51:47 PM

Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:14:16 AM

There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

There is plenty of evidence of simple living beings evolving to really complex animals, they didn't need a creator.

Spontaneous and autonomous emergence of complex behavior is not evidence against a creator.

For Example:

Google's DeepMind AI Just Taught Itself To Walk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ

Astargath

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Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:14:16 AM

There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

There is plenty of evidence of simple living beings evolving to really complex animals, they didn't need a creator.

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There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

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for the first point I disagree with you, in my opinion if born in Saudi Arabia is not necessarily Muslim, because in Saudi Arabia there are also other religions such as Christianity, belief in religion depends on each other. someone's trust can change after adulthood, like the example of a little Christian time but after adulthood it turns into an atheis

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In addition, since I was a child, I was delivered and taught about the Lord who created the whole world and the LORD who determined our direction, and I believe that because of the daily life that I get and sometimes it makes no sense to get help from the Lord.

CoinCube

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How can you prove or disprove faith? People believe what they believe.

You can't. That's why I cannot disprove your nihilistic materialism.

The only thing you can do is invite people to consider another perspective.

C.S. Lewis does this well as I highlighted earlier.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46859248

CoinCube

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we need to assume something is true, because we will never have infinite knowledge. have to assume something, then you can build everything else on top of that.

Agreed

However many today suffer from a peculiar form of delusion. They assume a nihilistic materialism is true while strenuously denying they are making any assumptions. It's really quite bizarre.

That said af_newbie and I are similar in some ways.

You see just like him I support people's right to believe in nihilistic nonsense the same way I support people's right to be mentally sick.

The difference between us is that I can point to numerous scientific studies that support my view that such nonsense actually makes you sick as it is correlated with both reduced physical and mental wellbeing and he cannot.

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So I can prove to you that the "Gods" of all major religions do not exist, however, I cannot prove to you that some pantheistic God does not exist.

The question of God existence or non-existence is not even a scientific question.

Just one final point for clarity sake.

If cannot disprove a pantheistic God then you also also cannot disprove a faith centered on the worship of such an entity.

The most you can do is demonstrate that a particular religion's understanding must be incomplete or lacking using whatever logical inconsistencies you identify in their texts.

I agree that the question of God existence or non-existence is not a scientific question. Science alone is only a tool and too narrow a framework to fully evaluate the universe and our place within it.

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Quote from: dippididodaday on October 16, 2018, 03:38:38 PM

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Today, people just know better. Religions exist today only because our parents force us to believe in them at a risk of losing relationships with our family and friends.

The exuberant ~~irrationality~~ of religion is poignantly manifested in as much as this idea and all it entails, being amongst other things, grandiose, almighty, omnipresent etc., can take preference over, exceed and outdo the full qualitative value and meaning of having someone tangible right in front of you, a fellow human being with all manner of interactions to your avail - completely and utterly startling.

I think dippididodaday inadvertently makes a good case for why you are incorrect about this point af_newbie. I disagree with him only where he describes the phenomenon as irrational as noted in the quote. He captures well the shear power of religion.

It's not something that is entirely dependent on parent to child transmission or social networks those those certainly play a role in transmitting and sustaining it.

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We have no evidence that any God (of any kind) exists

Many would disagree with you. They would point to the natural world or written tradition as evidence. You would likely challenge that evidence with materialism and a dismissal of the historical accounts as fantasy.

At a minimum, however, if you are logical you must concede the following. We have no evidence God does not exist.

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