Topic: Why do you believe God exists? - page 17. (Read 7963 times)

Are you actually trying to prove that you can't think straight? When we have 200 billion billion billion causes for things here on earth, but not one thing that exists without a cause, why would you think that there are not many more things out there with causes, and something without a cause? Billions and billions to zero doesn't change. Prove it does by finding one thing that exists without a cause.

''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Didn't answer the question. How do you know everything is made by something and not spontaneously appearing.

. But science judges things by vast majorities. One great example is evolution.....
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You see? That's the thing about science and the universe. We don't really know anything in the universe 100%. But science judges things by vast majorities. One great example is evolution.

We see countless number of living things that we can prove exist and change by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. But we don't even have one proven example of evolution... proven because we know that it was evolution and not adaptation, like-begets-like, and/or simple change.

Science is wise in this respect. They leave evolution in the theory category. It's a bunch of talkers, hopefuls, the moneymakers, and media who have kept evolution alive as a theory, when it should have been dropped long ago, or even never elevated to theory status.

The whole evolution thing is, itself, proving that it is stupid, and is proving God thereby. Or do you have something else...

''Nothing in the universe makes itself spontaneously without something else making it.'' How do you know? Do you know how everything is made in the universe?

Except that such is what the universe shows us all over the place. Nothing in the universe makes itself spontaneously without something else making it. And the "something else" isn't the thing that it makes. This entirely means that something that is not the universe or of the universe made it. Since we don't seem to have a scientific clue about what made the universe other than some science theory, it's something outside the universe, because if it were in the universe, we would have at least a few clues.

Science agrees with that in big bang theory. I don't have to prove it. Science already does. Wanna know more? Research BB. Or hit the religions if you like the "God" idea better.

As I said many times, you can make as many assumptions as you want, it doesn't mean they are real. Saying ''therefore something outside the universe made it'' doesn't mean it's true since you have no evidence of it.

As I said in another post, you aren't required to accept proof, or to state that you do if you do.

it is most certainly a scientific question; just because you cant use your scientific method dont mean you cant use another.
This, of course, will change in the future as more and more people lose faith in the supernatural."
very few people were born in atheist families because atheists create fewer babes; see where this would go? maybe an endless cycle, but not change without some new thing to change peoples minds on a massive scale.
people see the same evidence, and take it as evidence for different beliefs; people see evidence and dont even see the same evidence.
we always see everything through the lens of our own worldviews. we use worldviews to interpret what we see. so,, iwas taught creationist
sphell, and so take everything ive learned with this lens. the existance of God is a scientific fact. standard geology is error, big bang cosmology is error, plate tectonics is error, bacteria evolving into hyenas and snakes evolving into birds is error; i wont say darwinism is error, as i love to look at insects and other creatures and think about how they evolved/adapted;(survival of the fittest can be a useful theory, but maybe i misuse darwinism in this writing.)  i like to think of my philosophy as darwinistic, i think of myself as a darwinist, but maybe im delusional.
we need to assume something is true, because we will never have infinite knowledge. have to assume something, then you can build everything else on top of that.

''Therefore something outside the universe made or caused it'' No.

Just because none of that proves "outside the universe," doesn't mean there is no proof. I mean, there are lots of things that talk about lots of things, and yet are no proof for their existence. What of it?

The fact of everything that exists in the universe is the proof for outside-the-universe. How is it proof? We understand countless things in the universe being made by other things. We have no example of even one thing in the universe that was not made by something else, or example of even one thing that made itself. Before the universe existed, it didn't exist. After the universe started existing, it existed. Therefore something outside the universe made or caused it. That's all we see, and we see it in such quantities that it is scientifically acceptable to say that something outside the universe made the universe. Even your beloved big bang theory essentially states it.

None of that proves ''outside the universe'' is possible, we don't know of anything that's not in the universe, there is no point in assuming it's possible, it's scientifically not proven and even if you think it's logical that something must be outside the universe, you still have no idea what it is, so it could be anything anyways, pointless discussion.