Why do you believe God exists? - page 22.

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If there is free will in heaven, then there is evil in heaven, so it is not heaven.

If there is no free will in heaven, then it is a prison, so it is not heaven.

i.e. there is no heaven.

All using religitards' logic.

In Heaven, evil won't exist. So there is no free will to do evil. But not because there wouldn't be if it existed.

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So you will not be able to lift your finger, never mind to do anything else, like taking a piss whenever you want, LOL.

Nice heaven concept you got there. At least Muslims talk about streets full of gold, wine and virgins. And you guys hope to go to a place where you won't be able to do anything on your own free will.

Before you reply with your: "But in heaven, with free will, we will be able to only do good, not evil", it is not free will if you cannot do both good and/or evil. That is why you guys call it FREE will.

Checkmate. There is no heaven using your own Christian logic.

If lifting your finger is evil in Heaven, you won't have the free will to lift your finger.

When there isn't any such thing as evil, there won't be any free will to do such.

Since you like evil so much, you will go to the place where all the evil will exist... the place you have asked for... Hell. You won't have any free will to choose good, there. Because there won't be any good there. Your choice. Choose well while you still have time.

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A person who knows that God exists, can't believe that He exists.

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Quote from: Moloch on October 02, 2018, 06:57:14 AM

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Is there free will in heaven?

You have the free will to do whatever God wants... that's free enough, right?

What if my uncle molested me as a child and I hate him, but he is also a christian? If he is in heaven too, then it is not heaven for me since I hate him... If God changes me so I don't hate him any longer, then I am not me, and whatever is in heaven, is not me...

Sounds like a lose-lose proposition... glad I'm going to hell so I don't have to worry about it

You got it right-ish.

In Hell you will be too much in pain to worry about anything.

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Quote from: Moloch on October 02, 2018, 06:57:14 AM

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Is there free will in heaven?

You have the free will to do whatever God wants... that's free enough, right?

What if my uncle molested me as a child and I hate him, but he is also a christian? If he is in heaven too, then it is not heaven for me since I hate him... If God changes me so I don't hate him any longer, then I am not me, and whatever is in heaven, is not me...

Sounds like a lose-lose proposition... glad I'm going to hell so I don't have to worry about it

Yes, hundreds of awkward situations like those. For instance if someone kills my wife but then the killer repents and my wife wasn't a christian, he will go to heaven with me and she will be in hell tortured forever. Also this is not a fair test because people that are born in christian countries are obviously going to believe in the christian god, someone born in a muslim country wont. Just like if I live 80 years vs 40, more chances to become a christian if I live 80. So yeah, god is stupid.

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Is there free will in heaven?

You have the free will to do whatever God wants... that's free enough, right?

What if my uncle molested me as a child and I hate him, but he is also a christian? If he is in heaven too, then it is not heaven for me since I hate him... If God changes me so I don't hate him any longer, then I am not me, and whatever is in heaven, is not me...

Sounds like a lose-lose proposition... glad I'm going to hell so I don't have to worry about it

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Quote from: BADecker on October 01, 2018, 07:40:03 AM

Quote from: Astargath on October 01, 2018, 05:43:31 AM

Then again, thanks to science we can drive cars, fly planes, fly to mars. That's because it works, the tests works, the method works. It's proven, period. Religion on the other hand, not so much, otherwise we would be praying all the time instead of doing scientific tests, why bother, right? Just pray to god and he will heal us, make the car and planes for us. Yet every religious nutjob out there still goes to the doctor, still takes the medicine, instead of praying to god.

Science works, religion does not.

Then again, thanks to God giving us our whole world, our bodies and our brains, we have the ability to use some of the science He created for us.

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Prove it. You were not able in the ''scientific proof of god'' so why bother saying things like that when it's not proven? 0 proof.

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Quote from: Astargath on October 01, 2018, 05:43:31 AM

Then again, thanks to science we can drive cars, fly planes, fly to mars. That's because it works, the tests works, the method works. It's proven, period. Religion on the other hand, not so much, otherwise we would be praying all the time instead of doing scientific tests, why bother, right? Just pray to god and he will heal us, make the car and planes for us. Yet every religious nutjob out there still goes to the doctor, still takes the medicine, instead of praying to god.

Science works, religion does not.

Then again, thanks to God giving us our whole world, our bodies and our brains, we have the ability to use some of the science He created for us.

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We are all "gods"...

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People NEED to believe in something. But there are many evidence that show God exists.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 30, 2018, 08:36:06 PM

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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real. All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:

Quote from: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

And that fits science how? ''something one believes'' Scientists don't ''believe'' their rockets will fly, they test them and then fly to the moon.

Now you are trying to tell us that there was never a failure in science? If there was a failure, why would a scientist keep on going without knowing for a fact that next time, the result would be what he wanted, especially in the light of his present failure? It's all because he is believing that he will have success somewhere along the line. The example is Edison and his thousand attempts to invent the light bulb.

All science theory that has been around for a while is a failure. Why? Because it would have become science fact if the scientists had understood that it was real. So, scientists maintain the theory by believing it will be proven factual someday... except for those who believe it will never become factual. They don't know. They operate on faith, believing one way or the other.

For the dedicated scientist, science is his religion, or part of it.

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Then again, thanks to science we can drive cars, fly planes, fly to mars. That's because it works, the tests works, the method works. It's proven, period. Religion on the other hand, not so much, otherwise we would be praying all the time instead of doing scientific tests, why bother, right? Just pray to god and he will heal us, make the car and planes for us. Yet every religious nutjob out there still goes to the doctor, still takes the medicine, instead of praying to god.

Science works, religion does not.

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You have very strong points. I also wonder when a complicat ed thing or design like us humans made it the proof the God exists. I believe that God exists and I also know that he is powerful and only that. All those things that made us believe like He is human like us could not be true because He is God so he is in another high level being and should not be compared to us because we are just lowlifes to him.

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Quote from: Astargath on September 30, 2018, 04:40:04 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 30, 2018, 03:08:14 PM

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Quote from: Astargath on September 30, 2018, 10:27:01 AM

Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real. All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:

Quote from: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

And that fits science how? ''something one believes'' Scientists don't ''believe'' their rockets will fly, they test them and then fly to the moon.

Now you are trying to tell us that there was never a failure in science? If there was a failure, why would a scientist keep on going without knowing for a fact that next time, the result would be what he wanted, especially in the light of his present failure? It's all because he is believing that he will have success somewhere along the line. The example is Edison and his thousand attempts to invent the light bulb.

All science theory that has been around for a while is a failure. Why? Because it would have become science fact if the scientists had understood that it was real. So, scientists maintain the theory by believing it will be proven factual someday... except for those who believe it will never become factual. They don't know. They operate on faith, believing one way or the other.

For the dedicated scientist, science is his religion, or part of it.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 30, 2018, 03:08:14 PM

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Quote from: Astargath on September 30, 2018, 10:27:01 AM

Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real. All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:

Quote from: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

And that fits science how? ''something one believes'' Scientists don't ''believe'' their rockets will fly, they test them and then fly to the moon.

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Quote from: Astargath on September 30, 2018, 10:27:01 AM

Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

They all are equally real. All 3000+ of them.

Especially the religion of science or science theory. See #6 for religion in Dictionary.com:

Quote from: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t

something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

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i believe God exists because everything the Bible(GOD) says is what we are seeing now in the world, the greed, killing, nations risings against other nations, people killing for money,etc.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 30, 2018, 09:37:59 AM

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I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth. People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true. Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Why believe anything without evidence? Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

So, what does that have to do with the fact that there is faith all over the place, even in science and engineering? Since God created everything, having faith in science and engineering that God created, is having faith in God.

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Exactly why religion is garbage. Everyone claims to have faith in their specific god yet by their definition, only 1 god is real so even if there was 1 real god, all the others have to be false so how do we proceed from here? How do we determine which god is the real one?

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Quote from: Astargath on September 29, 2018, 06:33:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on September 29, 2018, 05:11:37 PM

Quote from: Moloch on August 23, 2018, 12:32:01 PM

Quote from: SkyFlakes on August 23, 2018, 10:33:00 AM

I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth. People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true. Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Why believe anything without evidence? Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

So, what does that have to do with the fact that there is faith all over the place, even in science and engineering? Since God created everything, having faith in science and engineering that God created, is having faith in God.

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Quote from: BADecker on September 29, 2018, 05:11:37 PM

Quote from: Moloch on August 23, 2018, 12:32:01 PM

Quote from: SkyFlakes on August 23, 2018, 10:33:00 AM

I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth. People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true. Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Why believe anything without evidence? Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

Cool

So what, what does that have to do with have thousands of religions while everyone believes they have the real one? Did edison not discard his previous attempts?

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Quote from: Moloch on August 23, 2018, 12:32:01 PM

Quote from: SkyFlakes on August 23, 2018, 10:33:00 AM

I think my god, just like any other god, exist because of just one thing—Faith...

The problem with faith is that is does not lead to the truth. People have faith in 1000 different religions, but that does not make any of them true. Some people have faith the Earth is flat, ignoring any evidence to the contrary.

Faith is defined as belief without evidence. Why believe anything without evidence? Do you believe in unicorns or vampires or leprechauns or gremlins without evidence?

You talk so silly. Edison, in inventing the light bulb, is said to have tried a thousand different things before he found something that worked. He had enough faith to keep on through hundreds of failures.

Even the Bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen." So, faith is both substance and evidence. And God upholds both until they are fulfilled.

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I strongly believe that God exists. Shocked

This whole universe is the creation of God and our destiny is scheduled according to God.

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