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Quote from: af_newbie on November 01, 2018, 12:28:24 PM

Quote from: SinarG on November 01, 2018, 11:58:41 AM

There are 5 proofs of the existence of God. It is written by Aquinas. I give it below:

1. Proof through motion means that everything moving has ever been triggered by something else, which in turn was triggered by the third. It is God that is the root cause of the whole movement.

2. Proof through the generating cause - this proof is similar to the first. Since nothing can produce itself, then there is something that is the root cause of everything - it is God.

3. Proof through necessity — every thing has the possibility of both its potential and real being. If we assume that all things are in potency, then nothing would arise. There must be something that contributed to the transfer of things from the potential to the current state. This is something - God.

4. Proof of the degrees of being - people talk about the various degrees of perfection of an object only through comparisons with the most perfect. This means that there is the most beautiful, the most noble, the best - that is God.

5. Proof through target cause. In the world of rational and unreasonable creatures, the expediency of activity is observed, which means that there is a rational being who sets a goal for everything that exists in the world - this being we call God

Since God told him to do it, it is absolutely sane... because obeying god is the most sane thing that can be done.

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Quote from: SinarG on November 01, 2018, 11:58:41 AM

There are 5 proofs of the existence of God. It is written by Aquinas. I give it below:

1. Proof through motion means that everything moving has ever been triggered by something else, which in turn was triggered by the third. It is God that is the root cause of the whole movement.

These are absolutely not proofs... proofs are applicable to mathematics... these are all debunked logical fallacies

This first one is debunked by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_the_creator_of_God

If you can't have something that moves without a creator, then who created God? God moves, right? Then who created the creator of the creator of God, ad infinitum?

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Quote from: SinarG on November 01, 2018, 11:58:41 AM

There are 5 proofs of the existence of God. It is written by Aquinas. I give it below:

1. Proof through motion means that everything moving has ever been triggered by something else, which in turn was triggered by the third. It is God that is the root cause of the whole movement.

2. Proof through the generating cause - this proof is similar to the first. Since nothing can produce itself, then there is something that is the root cause of everything - it is God.

3. Proof through necessity — every thing has the possibility of both its potential and real being. If we assume that all things are in potency, then nothing would arise. There must be something that contributed to the transfer of things from the potential to the current state. This is something - God.

4. Proof of the degrees of being - people talk about the various degrees of perfection of an object only through comparisons with the most perfect. This means that there is the most beautiful, the most noble, the best - that is God.

5. Proof through target cause. In the world of rational and unreasonable creatures, the expediency of activity is observed, which means that there is a rational being who sets a goal for everything that exists in the world - this being we call God

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There are 5 proofs of the existence of God. It is written by Aquinas. I give it below:

1. Proof through motion means that everything moving has ever been triggered by something else, which in turn was triggered by the third. It is God that is the root cause of the whole movement.

2. Proof through the generating cause - this proof is similar to the first. Since nothing can produce itself, then there is something that is the root cause of everything - it is God.

3. Proof through necessity — every thing has the possibility of both its potential and real being. If we assume that all things are in potency, then nothing would arise. There must be something that contributed to the transfer of things from the potential to the current state. This is something - God.

4. Proof of the degrees of being - people talk about the various degrees of perfection of an object only through comparisons with the most perfect. This means that there is the most beautiful, the most noble, the best - that is God.

5. Proof through target cause. In the world of rational and unreasonable creatures, the expediency of activity is observed, which means that there is a rational being who sets a goal for everything that exists in the world - this being we call God

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2018, 09:21:20 AM

Quote from: Moloch on November 01, 2018, 09:10:33 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2018, 08:48:12 AM

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

From what I remember from reading the bible, Satan was the good guy

God murders, or orders the Israelites to murder, millions of people in the bible...

Satan only murders Job's family, and only because God told him to do it

Satan is known as the questioner/accuser of God... Satan didn't try to "conquer" God... Satan accused God of abusing his authority like a dictator... Satan managed to convince 33% of all the angels that God was a dick... God saw that he was losing his control, so before it reached 50%, he banned everyone from heaven... just like a fascist dictator would do

God is a fascist dictator... no wonder republicans like God and Trump so much... sorry, not sorry

God made everything and owns it all. When people are against God like Satan was, they should be glad He even gives them the opportunity to be on His side, so that they will not be destroyed like Satan was. But when they won't change, okay. They are with Satan, and get the same results as Satan.

Or don't you own any property? Or do you let your neighbors into you living quarters and do anything with your stuff that they want? And do you let everybody mess up all your plans? You are at the library right now, using one of their computers, because people wrecked yours, because you don't care about your property?

Since God made people, and gave them freedom to act according to His instructions, which is to their best benefit... yet they frustrate Him to no end by turning against Him Who holds them alive, to destroy themselves (even though they may not clearly understand that is what they are doing)... why shouldn't He finally let them go on to their own destruction?

God isn't destroying people. They are destroying themselves, just like their buddy, Satan, did, by opposing their Creator.

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I have a serious question for you. Did God create Snowball from Orwell's Animal Farm?

Or people created God, Satan, and Snowball characters?

What mechanism do you use to distinguish fiction from non-fiction?

Did anyone see God, Satan or Snowball?

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Quote from: Moloch on November 01, 2018, 09:10:33 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2018, 08:48:12 AM

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

From what I remember from reading the bible, Satan was the good guy

God murders, or orders the Israelites to murder, millions of people in the bible...

Satan only murders Job's family, and only because God told him to do it

Satan is known as the questioner/accuser of God... Satan didn't try to "conquer" God... Satan accused God of abusing his authority like a dictator... Satan managed to convince 33% of all the angels that God was a dick... God saw that he was losing his control, so before it reached 50%, he banned everyone from heaven... just like a fascist dictator would do

God is a fascist dictator... no wonder republicans like God and Trump so much... sorry, not sorry

God made everything and owns it all. When people are against God like Satan was, they should be glad He even gives them the opportunity to be on His side, so that they will not be destroyed like Satan was. But when they won't change, okay. They are with Satan, and get the same results as Satan.

Or don't you own any property? Or do you let your neighbors into you living quarters and do anything with your stuff that they want? And do you let everybody mess up all your plans? You are at the library right now, using one of their computers, because people wrecked yours, because you don't care about your property?

Since God made people, and gave them freedom to act according to His instructions, which is to their best benefit... yet they frustrate Him to no end by turning against Him Who holds them alive, to destroy themselves (even though they may not clearly understand that is what they are doing)... why shouldn't He finally let them go on to their own destruction?

God isn't destroying people. They are destroying themselves, just like their buddy, Satan, did, by opposing their Creator.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2018, 08:48:12 AM

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

From what I remember from reading the bible, Satan was the good guy

God murders, or orders the Israelites to murder, millions of people in the bible...

Satan only murders Job's family, and only because God told him to do it

Satan is known as the questioner/accuser of God... Satan didn't try to "conquer" God... Satan accused God of abusing his authority like a dictator... Satan managed to convince 33% of all the angels that God was a dick... God saw that he was losing his control, so before it reached 50%, he banned everyone from heaven... just like a fascist dictator would do

God is a fascist dictator... no wonder republicans like God and Trump so much... sorry, not sorry

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Quote from: BADecker on November 01, 2018, 08:48:12 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on November 01, 2018, 07:54:25 AM

Quote from: MoonCrypt on October 31, 2018, 07:30:43 PM

Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD Kiss

Can you prove that BTGEB (Bobby The God-Eating Bear) exists?

Unless you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, God does not exist because it will be eaten by the BTGEB.

If you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, then apply the same method to God.

It logically follows that God does not exist.

BTGEB is only another name you are applying to Satan.

God created Satan for good. God gave Satan great enough wisdom so that Satan walked with God on "the fiery stones." Some people think that Satan may even have been third highest in Heaven at one time.

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

The reason it is difficult to see how God is doing this is, God does things with His strength. Nobody deters God, not even Satan. So, God is doing what He set out to do, while at the same time pulling Satan's destructive forces out of it all, and destroying them.

BTGEB is dead, killed by God. We are simply to minuscule in our little lives to understand it easily.

Now, the question is, will you continue to follow BTGEB/Satan and be destroyed along with him? Or will you turn to be saved by God as He wants you to be?

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I don't know Satan, but I know BTGEB.

Focus on the proof that BTGEB does not exist.

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Quote from: af_newbie on November 01, 2018, 07:54:25 AM

Quote from: MoonCrypt on October 31, 2018, 07:30:43 PM

Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD Kiss

Can you prove that BTGEB (Bobby The God-Eating Bear) exists?

Unless you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, God does not exist because it will be eaten by the BTGEB.

If you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, then apply the same method to God.

It logically follows that God does not exist.

BTGEB is only another name you are applying to Satan.

God created Satan for good. God gave Satan great enough wisdom so that Satan walked with God on "the fiery stones." Some people think that Satan may even have been third highest in Heaven at one time.

But Satan thought he was better than God and tried to conquer God. So, God destroyed him, and is in the process of destroying his works.

The reason it is difficult to see how God is doing this is, God does things with His strength. Nobody deters God, not even Satan. So, God is doing what He set out to do, while at the same time pulling Satan's destructive forces out of it all, and destroying them.

BTGEB is dead, killed by God. We are simply to minuscule in our little lives to understand it easily.

Now, the question is, will you continue to follow BTGEB/Satan and be destroyed along with him? Or will you turn to be saved by God as He wants you to be?

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Quote from: MoonCrypt on October 31, 2018, 07:30:43 PM

Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD Kiss

Can you prove that BTGEB (Bobby The God-Eating Bear) exists?

Unless you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, God does not exist because it will be eaten by the BTGEB.

If you can prove that BTGEB does not exist, then apply the same method to God.

It logically follows that God does not exist.

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Argument has been going for ages
1. I asked if there is no God how was man made to be? (if you say organisms well what happen to those organisms ?)
2. I have seen people illness that the doctor said was incurable all of a sudden disappear without explanation ? (if one can explain how?)
3. all the species we have on earth I can but ask myself how was it all created if not by a supernatural source ? (if you have a theory love to hear it )
4. there are how many languages on earth how did it all come about! i just see somethings among men that always point there is a GOD

it does not matter if you believe or not
it does not matter how long your theory or smart
it does not matter how we want to feel about it

there is something that we cant always explain the source and that is GOD Kiss

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Quote from: Astargath on October 31, 2018, 10:51:57 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2018, 10:10:31 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 30, 2018, 02:29:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

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wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

You can't prove that I haven't proven it. Cool

Of course I can, I repeatedly asked you on the other thread if you could prove the cause of the universe had to be 1 thing and 1 thing only and you resorted to saying some stupid shit about god being one and the outside of the universe being one, lmao

Nobody forces you to understand proof, or to admit that you understand it when you do, or to post that you understand.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 30, 2018, 10:10:31 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 30, 2018, 02:29:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

You can't prove that I haven't proven it. Cool

Of course I can, I repeatedly asked you on the other thread if you could prove the cause of the universe had to be 1 thing and 1 thing only and you resorted to saying some stupid shit about god being one and the outside of the universe being one, lmao

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Quote from: Astargath on October 30, 2018, 02:29:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

You can't prove that I haven't proven it. Cool

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I believe in God. But I don't believe that my religion is above all others. Now as to why... Well, I don't really have any. I just do. I question his existence at times and ask why this and that happens but I can still say that I do believe in him. It's just based on my belief though.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 28, 2018, 06:45:24 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

You are still unable to prove the universe had 1 cause and not multiple so...

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Quote from: ?? on ??

wow, such an interesting topic. especially for an atheist. i`m not close to religion at all, it doesn`t run in my family. so i even don`t understand what religious people feel. and the comments are very readable for me

This topic might be interesting in some ways, but what about scientific proof? Check out the Scientific proof that God exists? - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 - thread. I mean, recognizing that God exists, and that He made everything, is the start to finding out about salvation... resurrection... life from death... everlasting life. I mean, if He can make it once, why can't He make it again?

It's a start.

Cool

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Birth , the rotation of earth , the sun ...
All makes me think that what is the driving force behind it? If you say sun is just helium ball then from where helium came??

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Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 05:10:55 PM

Quote from: CoinCube on October 17, 2018, 03:47:20 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 01:51:47 PM

Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:14:16 AM

There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

There is plenty of evidence of simple living beings evolving to really complex animals, they didn't need a creator.

Spontaneous and autonomous emergence of complex behavior is not evidence against a creator.

For Example:

Google's DeepMind AI Just Taught Itself To Walk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ

There is no evidence of a creator, there is evidence that we evolved though.

And no, you can't prove god, using ''logic''.

Who needs evidence since we have proof - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scientific-proof-that-god-exists-737322 ?

Basic proof for God:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

More proof for God - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46997819

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Quote from: CoinCube on October 17, 2018, 03:47:20 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 17, 2018, 01:51:47 PM

Quote from: joebrook on October 17, 2018, 11:14:16 AM

There is no evidence of anything magically appearing in this world, Look at buildings, cars and the aeroplanes, they were all made and it shows that everything has a creator so that means that Human Being who has made all these things must also have a creator, it's just logical.

There is plenty of evidence of simple living beings evolving to really complex animals, they didn't need a creator.

Spontaneous and autonomous emergence of complex behavior is not evidence against a creator.

For Example:

Google's DeepMind AI Just Taught Itself To Walk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ

There is no evidence of a creator, there is evidence that we evolved though.

And no, you can't prove god, using ''logic''.

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