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Quote from: Xester on March 05, 2017, 03:18:02 AM

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Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

Believing on God is a gamble. It is like buying a lottery ticket for one cent and the prize is 1 billion dollars. Believing in God and doing his will will give you salvation and eternal life. If you believe and there is no God then you will lost nothing. But if you dont believe in God and does not do his will and in the end God exists then you will lost everything. Faith in God is a gamble that will give you the most amazing experience a human soul could ever dream of.

Show me one of the righteous. All people pretend to believe in God, but commit sin. Don't you think it's not so much faith as an attempt to deceive God if he is? There are no people worthy of heaven, and therefore I do not see the point in faith.

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Quote from: MattScott on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

A realist accepts the facts of science and nature as facts. These show and prove that God exists. Atheism is an ostrich religion.

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I don't agree with you. I see no real evidence of the existence of God. Some of the words. I believe that inside you there is faith in God, but the fact that inside you there is a God I don't believe.

Haven't you read:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380 ?

Simple nature shows us that it is a machine. Mankind is starting to crack the machines of nature to understand how they work. The machines of mankind are so inferior to those of nature that mankind is having a hard time cracking nature. All the machines of mankind have a machine maker. Who made the machines of nature? Only something like God fits. We might have other theories about how the machines of nature came into being, but we have no evidence as strong as the machine-maker evidence.

Besides, science proves that God exists. Read the explanations of how, in the links.

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Please read the above links..... they prove that BADecker's points have been discredited. He is then shown to be delusional.

His entire "proof" is based on assumptions.... nothing more.

Thanks again for helping to strengthen the scientific knowledge in people that God exists, by not being able to refute or rebut it. And the strength is even greater because you say that there is rebuttal, without being able to show any.

Thanks, again.

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Quote from: MattScott on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

Believing on God is a gamble. It is like buying a lottery ticket for one cent and the prize is 1 billion dollars. Believing in God and doing his will will give you salvation and eternal life. If you believe and there is no God then you will lost nothing. But if you dont believe in God and does not do his will and in the end God exists then you will lost everything. Faith in God is a gamble that will give you the most amazing experience a human soul could ever dream of.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2017, 02:28:58 PM

Quote from: Alexzap on March 04, 2017, 02:18:31 PM

Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2017, 02:11:47 PM

Quote from: MattScott on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

A realist accepts the facts of science and nature as facts. These show and prove that God exists. Atheism is an ostrich religion.

Cool

I don't agree with you. I see no real evidence of the existence of God. Some of the words. I believe that inside you there is faith in God, but the fact that inside you there is a God I don't believe.

Haven't you read:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380 ?

Simple nature shows us that it is a machine. Mankind is starting to crack the machines of nature to understand how they work. The machines of mankind are so inferior to those of nature that mankind is having a hard time cracking nature. All the machines of mankind have a machine maker. Who made the machines of nature? Only something like God fits. We might have other theories about how the machines of nature came into being, but we have no evidence as strong as the machine-maker evidence.

Besides, science proves that God exists. Read the explanations of how, in the links.

Cool

Please read the above links..... they prove that BADecker's points have been discredited. He is then shown to be delusional.

His entire "proof" is based on assumptions.... nothing more.

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Quote from: Alexzap on March 04, 2017, 02:31:02 PM

The coexistence of different scientific, moral, social and other provisions with atheism not make it an independent world, as well as the coexistence of Communist ideas in your head with blond hair on it makes blondes a political party.

Looks like English is not your first language. Perhaps the dictionaries where you come from have different meanings for some words.

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The coexistence of different scientific, moral, social and other provisions with atheism not make it an independent world, as well as the coexistence of Communist ideas in your head with blond hair on it makes blondes a political party.

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Quote from: Alexzap on March 04, 2017, 02:18:31 PM

Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2017, 02:11:47 PM

Quote from: MattScott on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

A realist accepts the facts of science and nature as facts. These show and prove that God exists. Atheism is an ostrich religion.

Cool

I don't agree with you. I see no real evidence of the existence of God. Some of the words. I believe that inside you there is faith in God, but the fact that inside you there is a God I don't believe.

Haven't you read:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380 ?

Simple nature shows us that it is a machine. Mankind is starting to crack the machines of nature to understand how they work. The machines of mankind are so inferior to those of nature that mankind is having a hard time cracking nature. All the machines of mankind have a machine maker. Who made the machines of nature? Only something like God fits. We might have other theories about how the machines of nature came into being, but we have no evidence as strong as the machine-maker evidence.

Besides, science proves that God exists. Read the explanations of how, in the links.

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Quote from: ValeryBark on March 04, 2017, 09:50:37 AM

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Quote from: qwik2learn on March 03, 2017, 11:07:23 PM

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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts

Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact.

How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation!

52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible.
Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_results
and about 40 more that I keep mentioning:
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

Another famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death.

Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.

If you are called to the scene of a house break-in, there is nothing stolen, there is no sign of struggle, no blood, no empty cases, and NO BODY, it would only be logical to conclude that there was no murder committed.

Th same goes for your God, there is no physical evidence to conclude otherwise.

What you think is evidence is a product of your imagination. Not a real physical evidence.

This is the deception of religion. They inspire people that God is a material being and has an impact on all life on earth, but as soon as it comes to evidence they say that God is immaterial and therefore to prove his existence impossible.

Atheist means believing no religion but I am an atheist and I only believe God. Wherever you turn your eyes it points to a beautiful creation which cannot have been created randomly. This must have been created by a greater being , unnatural being.

Quote from: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/atheist?s=t

atheist
[ey-thee-ist]

1. a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Quote from: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/deny?s=t

deny
[dih-nahy]

verb (used with object), denied, denying.
1. to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true:
to deny an accusation.

2. to refuse to agree or accede to:
to deny a petition.

3. to withhold the possession, use, or enjoyment of:
to deny access to secret information.

4. to withhold something from, or refuse to grant a request of:
to deny a beggar.

5. to refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disown; disavow; repudiate:
to deny one's gods.

6. to withhold (someone) from accessibility to a visitor:
The secretary denied his employer to all those without appointments.

7. Obsolete. to refuse to take or accept.

Idioms
8. deny oneself,

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disbelieve
[dis-bi-leev]

verb (used with object), disbelieved, disbelieving.
1. to have no belief in; refuse or reject belief in:
to disbelieve reports of UFO sightings.
verb (used without object), disbelieved, disbelieving.

2. to refuse or reject belief; have no belief.

The point? A person doesn't have a blank opinion when it comes to something that he denies or disbelieves. Rather, he simply accepts or believes something else. There isn't any void in the thinking of a person.

Atheism is a religion.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 04, 2017, 02:11:47 PM

Quote from: MattScott on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

A realist accepts the facts of science and nature as facts. These show and prove that God exists. Atheism is an ostrich religion.

Cool

I don't agree with you. I see no real evidence of the existence of God. Some of the words. I believe that inside you there is faith in God, but the fact that inside you there is a God I don't believe.

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Quote from: MattScott on March 04, 2017, 12:05:16 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

A realist accepts the facts of science and nature as facts. These show and prove that God exists. Atheism is an ostrich religion.

Cool

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Quote from: qwik2learn on March 04, 2017, 11:52:07 AM

How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

I am not convinced any statement until I personally will not see God. I have the opinion that this does not happen then I will never believe in God. That is why I am an atheist. You could even say that I'm not an atheist, but a realist.

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How convenient to claim that all of these case studies are coming from my imagination! A desperate and illogical tactic that will convince no one!

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I'm an atheist and don't believe in God. It seems to me that God is a fiction which is in the minds of people. Some kind of hypnosis. The people themselves make up their own God and believe in him, but still commit crimes.

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Quote from: ValeryBark on March 04, 2017, 09:50:37 AM

Quote from: af_newbie on March 04, 2017, 09:37:15 AM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 03, 2017, 11:07:23 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on February 23, 2017, 11:57:16 AM

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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts

Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact.

How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation!

52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible.
Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_results
and about 40 more that I keep mentioning:
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

Another famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death.

Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.

If you are called to the scene of a house break-in, there is nothing stolen, there is no sign of struggle, no blood, no empty cases, and NO BODY, it would only be logical to conclude that there was no murder committed.

Th same goes for your God, there is no physical evidence to conclude otherwise.

What you think is evidence is a product of your imagination. Not a real physical evidence.

This is the deception of religion. They inspire people that God is a material being and has an impact on all life on earth, but as soon as it comes to evidence they say that God is immaterial and therefore to prove his existence impossible.

Atheist means believing no religion but I am an atheist and I only believe God. Wherever you turn your eyes it points to a beautiful creation which cannot have been created randomly. This must have been created by a greater being , unnatural being.

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Quote from: af_newbie on March 04, 2017, 09:37:15 AM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 03, 2017, 11:07:23 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on February 23, 2017, 11:57:16 AM

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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts

Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact.

How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation!

52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible.
Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_results
and about 40 more that I keep mentioning:
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

Another famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death.

Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.

If you are called to the scene of a house break-in, there is nothing stolen, there is no sign of struggle, no blood, no empty cases, and NO BODY, it would only be logical to conclude that there was no murder committed.

Th same goes for your God, there is no physical evidence to conclude otherwise.

What you think is evidence is a product of your imagination. Not a real physical evidence.

This is the deception of religion. They inspire people that God is a material being and has an impact on all life on earth, but as soon as it comes to evidence they say that God is immaterial and therefore to prove his existence impossible.

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Quote from: qwik2learn on February 23, 2017, 11:57:16 AM

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For future reference, "alternative facts" are not the same thing as facts

Atheists have no facts to support their arguments, they cannot make a factual claim about god. Nor are they interested in evaluating the evidence that suggests rebirth and etheric beings. Atheists will claim that mind is a product of the brain but this is not a fact and has actually been dis-proven, so factually it is atheists who need to evaluate what is truly fact.

How can atheists say that they have the answer to the god-question? They do not even have an answer to the evidence suggestive of reincarnation!

52 percent of adult Americans believe that encounters with the dead are possible.
Atheists should carefully evaluate the evidence, here are 20 cases that I have not already mentioned:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty_Cases_Suggestive_of_Reincarnation#Published_results
and about 40 more that I keep mentioning:
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

Another famous case: The account of James Chaffin's will is a case that truly seems suggestive of survival of the human personality after death.

Why does the OP say that awareness is an oasis between two deserts of nothingness? It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 03, 2017, 06:23:09 PM

Quote from: qwik2learn on March 03, 2017, 03:19:52 PM

My posts and proofs were not refuted.

They are simply upset with me because they WANT their freedom from the rules that God lays down, but they can't refute the way I explain them. So they will try to make an example of me. Then, when they fail, I rub their noses in it, and it upsets them.

You, however, bring up so many proofs and evidences, that they don't even want to get into it with you. Rather, they would hide the fact that you have shown proof for God same as me.

Two guys agreeing with un-rebuttable proofs are multiple times stronger than one guy proving it alone.

Chase them around in several threads. Give them explanation of one proof at a time. They'll start coming after you, as well. After all, they can't have any doubts among their believers. They'll lose their status, their freedom, and maybe even some money.

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So you're not going to do it? See this is the same as when someone is called to do the lie detector test and he declines, that means he's probably hiding something, you in this case is like when you as ka kid something and then he replies "I know the answer but I don't want to tell you"... so yeah... you're not doing anything good here...

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Quote from: qwik2learn on March 03, 2017, 03:19:52 PM

My posts and proofs were not refuted.

They are simply upset with me because they WANT their freedom from the rules that God lays down, but they can't refute the way I explain them. So they will try to make an example of me. Then, when they fail, I rub their noses in it, and it upsets them.

You, however, bring up so many proofs and evidences, that they don't even want to get into it with you. Rather, they would hide the fact that you have shown proof for God same as me.

Two guys agreeing with un-rebuttable proofs are multiple times stronger than one guy proving it alone.

Chase them around in several threads. Give them explanation of one proof at a time. They'll start coming after you, as well. After all, they can't have any doubts among their believers. They'll lose their status, their freedom, and maybe even some money.

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My posts and proofs were not refuted.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 02, 2017, 06:01:41 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on March 02, 2017, 05:37:51 PM

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Atheism is also a religion! Atheist believes that there is no God,one hundred percent sure about it, with no evidence,blindly believing in that "truth", just like a religious man but from the opposite pole. The most objective belief would be Agnosticism , Those people are basically saying: How the fuck could I know if there is or there is no God? Why would I even bother with that question? I will see it after I die or I wont see it after I die,I have this life right now and that is what is important and 100 percent sure.

Sure, for intellectual honesty one should say he/she's "agnostic" rather than "atheist", since he/she cannot prove the non existence of a god. In the same way, I cannot disprove the existence of Santa Klaus, therefore, I can't say he doesn't exist, I could only say that I am Santa Klaus "agnostic".
Anyway, being not able to disprove any of the two (god-Santa Klaus), doesn't make them any real.

The difference being, of course, that the existence of God has been proven here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

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There is no proof. Your 'cause and effect' babbling is just that, babbling. Your imaginary God concept does not have a 'cause'.

The "stuff" you call my babbling has a scientific process to it. Refute the process. Otherwise, all you have is babbling.

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You're still posting your own posts as a scientific proof? Cmon dude, we've been over this. Until you provide an actual link to the scientific proofs of gods existence, this is just useless...

Are you trying to suggest that cause and effect, entropy, and complex universe are scientific unknowns? If you are, you are as far from science as you can get. The books are filled with talk about these facts. The Internet shows it. All you need to do is search.

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Your posts have been discussed and rebutted. You need real proof not words of your own.

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