Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 53. (Read 89199 times)

Please ask yourself that question (bold), and tell me how you can tie this deity to Christianity?

Let's say Christianity is most 'ahead' today, whatever the hell that means

Will all people born before Christ burn in hell because of animism and different gods we believed in before Christianity spread?

The first step is to ask yourself how much you can understand about somebody who is trillions of times smarter than we are. Would we know... would we even have a hint... of what his goals and orientations and intentions are?

Once you are open to the idea that we don't naturally know much about God, then you can look around you to see that life has some good. Because of the good, it could be surmised that God is trying to do good by us, for whatever reasons He might have.

A step further along might include looking for methods that God might use to talk to us. After all, people of the whole world have formed many religions. And even atheism has qualities of religion enough so that it can be called a religion. What method would God use to talk to people? And why wouldn't He simply step out and tell all of us directly?

The various religions in the world have strength. Which of them goes way out, above and beyond in its strength?

It takes investigation. It isn't easy. But we in the modern world have the "luck" of being able to check the religions out in ways never done in past times.

It is important. When you have a Being that is trillions of times smarter than we are, and a universe that is possibly infinite, we might not even know it if the Being were collapsing the universe, and were holding our His hand through a religion to save some of us... in a way that made perfect sense, even though we don't understand it because of our weakness in being able to think.

Time to study the major religions, looking for one that is way ahead of the rest in some ways.

Because you're an idiot?

Frank Lefty Rosenthal Signing Out.

I understand what you're trying to say with programming/machine like posts around the forum
However, what I do not understand how you can tie a specific religion with this kind of thinking

If you believe there is a maker because of the things you've written here
How do you believe there is someone who has anything to do with the bible, who would actually care what a puny human does on this small rock in the universe?

I can grasp this concept of a deity, but tieing it to one of the mainstream religions.. That.. I cannot do.

I'm not picking on you. I make my mistakes in the things I believe. So, that little mistake of yours isn't that important.

The thing that is important is that we don't have any science the shows pure random to exist anywhere. Yet the opposite of pure random, cause and effect, exists in everything that we have knowledge of. Cause and effect, like programming, brings everything into existence. Everything is programmed. Programming needs a programmer. Complex programming like we are, nature is, and the universe is, simply doesn't exist out of nothing without the impetus of something else causing it to exist.

Our word "God" by definition fits what the programmer must be.

Well that's my bad, I've misunderstood that and I apologize.

But can be applied to a lot of what religios people proclaim as an act of god or the existance of god himself. There is no evidence that any god exists, unleast not so far, maybe some god decides to show himself.

Didn't you even read what you bolded, above? One would NOT make the claim if one did NOT have the evidences. All you are doing is stating that you are a liar when making claims without even any evidence.

When you have done everything, made everything, thought every thought, for an eternity, life might get boring. God doesn't let that even start to happen for Himself. He is dynamic. That's why He has set things in place that "test" (for lack of a word that fits the Almighty) even His greatness.

That's okay if you don't understand the hows and whys of God. Nobody really does. Simply follow His rules, be on His side, and gain eternal life in joy and glory. Or don't. Your choice... for you.

So according to qwik2learn, I can claim that unicorns exists even tho there aren't any evidences but actually I don't need evidences to claim that... Why's that stupid logic only applied to god and nothing else?

so, the god ain't all that loving and all that powerful since he can't stop the evil from the beginning.. and by killing the ones who think the opposite of him, he's not allowing the freedom that much, so worship him or die.. boy that sound like some jealous, egocentric god.. So why didn't he kill Stalin,Hitler and all other dictators, mass murderers that killed innocent people, Hitler killed those very same jews, yet we didn't see him doing anything... so in all, your god is an egocentric, control vengeful maniac... Nice god you've got there.

Why not. The executed were enemies of God, of good, and of God's people, Israel... even the babies were.

Besides, even if you don't understand, God owns everything. It is His right to do whatever He wants.

Any comment is welcome.

However, I don't think you mean that when Yahweh ordered (read a priest said god ordered something in order to justify horrible acts from the ancient Hebrews) the extermination of women and children (Joshua 6:21; Judges 21:10; Numbers 31:7-18), killing of babies (Isaiah 13:16) or massive rape (Numbers 31:18; Deuteronomy 20:10-14) these acts could be justified by the context...

No one dares to try to argue that today in a moral debate.

You find me an instance of a person without neocortex able to reasoning.

The burden of proof about any other life but this one is on you. Taking in account the evidences, my statement that this life is the only one we have seems pretty obvious.

All hypotheses regarding the origin of things involve self existence! Read First Principles by Herbert Spencer. Your rhetoric applies to any origin hypothesis whatsoever.

God exists outside of the physics that requires that something be made for it to exist. In other words, God always was and always will be. But the physics of this universe that He made, is the kind of physics that must have a beginning.

Now, I know that you might not be able to understand this, but other people will understand. So thank you for the prompting that has encouraged me to show it to others, as well as you.

So what created God?
And what created the thing that created God?
and so on.
Putting a God in there answers nothing. Its makes it 10 times worse since you then have to explain a All mighty intelligence and where it came from. "It has always been there" is no answer since it then breaks Newton's 3rd Law.

Such is the wisdom from someone that can't even understand that God exists, as shown and proven here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380
and all over the place.

I love the argument back with facts from even the Bible and are even relevant to what is being discussed including other point of reference provided by OP. In as much as I respect that opinion and not doing this to change your mind, but I think you faulted in some passages of the Bible that you made reference to as you only picked a verse and not what was was going on at that point in time when the verse was related to.Doing this, will give a better understanding of why a particular statement was made whether by God or by someone giving the account of events.

OP says that Knowledge should be free; I agree! I have out-argued the OP. My example shows that the brain is essentially NOT required for consciousness as was originally thought.

There isn't anything more dangerous for you, and for others, than you being absolute[ly] certain about something like your metaphysical beliefs, OP.

You believe that life is "a lucky but tiny oasis of awareness that exists between two infinite deserts of nothingness", but where is the evidence? How would you know that this is the only life that you will have?


Your belief is a matter of FACT? No my friend, I found the counter-example to your claim that "the brain creates conscience" and you are afraid to touch it.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17075020

According to Lorber:
"Of course these results are dramatic, but they're not overdramatic.  One would not make the claim if one did not have the evidence."

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics...

Even if you win... you're still retarded