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February 19, 2017, 04:25:53 PM

I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.

How can you know the answer to the GoD question? Maybe there is some information that you missed. Only when you have seen the evidence of consciousness and what it indicates can you form an informed opinion.

Kurt Godel used logic to conclude these points:
There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.


Atheist dogma can only form invalid and circular replies to facts presented by consciousness researchers:
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-scientific-proof-of-existence-of-ghosts/answers/33828633/comment/30627732?__snid3__=764974911&__nsrc__=4
legendary
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February 03, 2017, 09:53:37 PM
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Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

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Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.

The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.

Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.

It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


Something causes mutations, morphological changes..HOT and COLD elements =morphological changes=biological morphological changes.

A biomolecule or biological molecule is molecule that is present in living organisms, including large macromolecules such as proteins, carbohydrates, lipids, and nucleic acids, as well as small molecules such as primary metabolites, secondary metabolites, and natural products

The important point is, we haven't found any mutations that are beneficial more than they are detrimental in some other ways.

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Here you go:
http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/evolution-is-still-happening-beneficial-mutations-in-humans
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 04:07:52 PM
So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

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No. None of us is the children of God. Some just believable it because their holly book says it.


No. There is more. Some of it is proof. But why go into that, since one has to first understand the proof that God exists. Then, after he knows that God exists, he can start to look at the proof that shows that the Bible was written at God's direction. Then he can find the proof in the Bible, and to some extent outside it, that shows that people are the children of God.

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February 19, 2017, 04:04:32 PM
So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

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No. None of us is the children of God. Some just believable it because their holly book says it.
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 04:00:50 PM
So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted

No. We are all the children of God. Only some, like atheists, believe something else. It doesn't make their beliefs reality.

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February 19, 2017, 03:53:33 PM
So "we" are the the christians. The rest of us that have read more than one book are not counted
legendary
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February 03, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
...

Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

Cool

Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.
There haven't been any mutations that caused an advancement in nature and life. None of the mutations were evolutionary. They were all devolutionary.



The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.
If the world lasts for 100 more years in basically the same condition and state it is in now, science will have securely found that big bang is impossible.



Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.
Wrong. Why are you wrong? Because nature was all around us then as it is now. Machines have makers. The Maker of the nature machine was God.



It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?


God is present everywhere.

God exists outside of the universe as well as within it.

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The entropy was not known 600 years ago.  Science defined it.  Science discovered that the universe is expanding, science discovered that Earth is not flat etc.
Science corrected the Bible mistakes. 

Bible did not talk about entropy or 2nd law of thermodynamics.  Science did.  So use Bible to proof God, leave science out of it.  You don't understand it anyway.

Evolutionary gene mutations:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-22/these-superhumans-are-real-and-their-dna-could-be-worth-billions

Call these guys and talk to them.  Devolutionary my ass.

600 years ago you'd be talking how wonderful our flat Earth is, how God placed it in the center of the world in his great wisdom etc.

legendary
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February 19, 2017, 03:49:13 PM
so can you reply to the question?

We are children of God. Some of us are against Him. Some of us are in favor of Him.

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February 19, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
so can you reply to the question?
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 03:43:37 PM
Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."    Cool

I'm not English.
Who are we?

Huh? You are coming to understand after all.    Cool
legendary
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February 03, 2017, 11:07:06 AM
...

Earth not being an isolated system doesn't have anything to do with complex life in the presence of cause and effect. Why not? Because we see devolution all over the place. But we don't see anything evolving except where we have changed the meaning of "evolution" to simply mean "change." Cause and effect produces change.

Complex from simple, if it happens, is induced to happen by cause and effect. This means that something way more complex caused the simple to complex to happen.

Entropy is proof of a beginning. If it were not as widespread, or if we could ascertain that it didn't work for everything, then it might not be.

Cool

Now we are getting somewhere.  Something causes mutations, morphological changes.  You got it right.

Did you know that the rate of gene mutation goes through the roof in space?  Astronaut's gene mutations increase in space, and 'come' back down when they return to Earth.

Environment causes things to happen.

The same way, something caused the Big Bang to happen.  I bet you in 100 years we'll know what it was.  And I bet you we'll have bunch of other unknowns that we'll be looking to find answers to.

Imagine if you lived 600 years ago, your 'proof' of God would be diametrically different.

It is very tempting to say that something powerful and unknown is responsible for all the universe(s).  Right now, we have the Dark Energy and Matter that we do not understand.  Are you going to call it 'God'?

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February 19, 2017, 03:42:19 PM
Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."    Cool

I'm not English.
Who are we?
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 03:40:58 PM
Who is "we"?

"We" is plural. There isn't any "is 'we'."    Cool
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February 19, 2017, 03:32:38 PM
Who is "we"?
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 03:30:48 PM
I read it again. Want me to repeat the answers I gave in another thread?

No. Don't repeat. We all understand that you don't understand much.

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February 19, 2017, 03:29:09 PM
I read it again. Want me to repeat the answers I gave in another thread?
legendary
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February 02, 2017, 06:35:56 AM
Why do you think that life originated on earth? Maybe it originated somewhere outside the solar system. What does God do? Maybe God is the meteorite which brought the living cells on earth.

I don't know.  That is why I said it might have.

It is quite possible that life originated somewhere else in the universe and was planted here by a meteorite.

We don't know it, yet.
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
Free people in this world does not exist. I'm an atheist and my mind is free from religious beliefs, but religion fit into our lives by signing a contract with the state. So free from religion in this society to be impossible.

Your atheism is your religion. Check out the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t - to see this.

Cool

It didn't say anything about atheism. Your link is about religion

Are you saying that you are not an atheist? Who cares? The fact that you have firmly embedded beliefs within yourself shows that you are religious, and have a personal religion going for yourself. It's in the definition of religion. Take a look. I even gave you the link... even though I wasn't responding to a post of yours. Or are you v1ryspro as well as Gimpeline?

Cool
I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.


What does that have to do with anything? Lots of people believe stuff that is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be any accidents or plane crashes.

Don't believe the proof that God exists. Understand it, so that you pass from believing to knowing.

Cool
There is no proof. I have asked you over and over again to show me the peer rewired paper and so far you have not delivered.


I really don't think that you would understand the proof if you looked at it. But here it is again:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

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February 19, 2017, 03:20:24 PM
Free people in this world does not exist. I'm an atheist and my mind is free from religious beliefs, but religion fit into our lives by signing a contract with the state. So free from religion in this society to be impossible.

Your atheism is your religion. Check out the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t - to see this.

Cool

It didn't say anything about atheism. Your link is about religion

Are you saying that you are not an atheist? Who cares? The fact that you have firmly embedded beliefs within yourself shows that you are religious, and have a personal religion going for yourself. It's in the definition of religion. Take a look. I even gave you the link... even though I wasn't responding to a post of yours. Or are you v1ryspro as well as Gimpeline?

Cool
I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.


What does that have to do with anything? Lots of people believe stuff that is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be any accidents or plane crashes.

Don't believe the proof that God exists. Understand it, so that you pass from believing to knowing.

Cool
There is no proof. I have asked you over and over again to show me the peer rewired paper and so far you have not delivered.
legendary
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February 19, 2017, 03:18:27 PM
Free people in this world does not exist. I'm an atheist and my mind is free from religious beliefs, but religion fit into our lives by signing a contract with the state. So free from religion in this society to be impossible.

Your atheism is your religion. Check out the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t - to see this.

Cool

It didn't say anything about atheism. Your link is about religion

Are you saying that you are not an atheist? Who cares? The fact that you have firmly embedded beliefs within yourself shows that you are religious, and have a personal religion going for yourself. It's in the definition of religion. Take a look. I even gave you the link... even though I wasn't responding to a post of yours. Or are you v1ryspro as well as Gimpeline?

Cool
I'm saying I don't believe. If I don't bereave in Santa, I'm not a Santa follower. I know that Santa doesn't exist, just as your God doesn't exist.
Its not religion, it's logic.


What does that have to do with anything? Lots of people believe stuff that is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be any accidents or plane crashes.

Don't believe the proof that God exists. Understand it, so that you pass from believing to knowing.

Cool
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