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legendary
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December 09, 2016, 10:43:02 AM
As I do not believe in god. I think there is no god in this world.  So I am an atheist
if you think you do not believe in god, and you assume that God does not exist, that so my question is, how nature is created and who created, and how you can create, as became a man, only with sex ...? not that all thanks to the intervention of a god ...? !!
I'm sure there's a logical explanation, but God was invented to cover up their ignorance. Then religion began to cover up the desire for power. Over time, they learned the religion to make money.

The evidence and proof for the existence of God is shown here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380,
and in many places all over the Internet.

Atheism is the invented religion, invented by those who think that they can live life the ways they want, and yet not be held accountable.

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You will not be able to intimidate atheists a non-existent threat of a non-existent God. Don't you understand? Atheism is not a religion! Atheism is science and anti-science is very difficult to find arguments.

Science proves God exists. Nature shows it. Atheists are so in love with their atheism, that they would rather ignore science and nature than turn to reality.

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sr. member
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December 09, 2016, 10:20:16 AM
As I do not believe in god. I think there is no god in this world.  So I am an atheist
if you think you do not believe in god, and you assume that God does not exist, that so my question is, how nature is created and who created, and how you can create, as became a man, only with sex ...? not that all thanks to the intervention of a god ...? !!
I'm sure there's a logical explanation, but God was invented to cover up their ignorance. Then religion began to cover up the desire for power. Over time, they learned the religion to make money.

The evidence and proof for the existence of God is shown here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380,
and in many places all over the Internet.

Atheism is the invented religion, invented by those who think that they can live life the ways they want, and yet not be held accountable.

Cool
You will not be able to intimidate atheists a non-existent threat of a non-existent God. Don't you understand? Atheism is not a religion! Atheism is science and anti-science is very difficult to find arguments.
legendary
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December 09, 2016, 10:12:29 AM
As I do not believe in god. I think there is no god in this world.  So I am an atheist
if you think you do not believe in god, and you assume that God does not exist, that so my question is, how nature is created and who created, and how you can create, as became a man, only with sex ...? not that all thanks to the intervention of a god ...? !!
I'm sure there's a logical explanation, but God was invented to cover up their ignorance. Then religion began to cover up the desire for power. Over time, they learned the religion to make money.

The evidence and proof for the existence of God is shown here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380,
and in many places all over the Internet.

Atheism is the invented religion, invented by those who think that they can live life the ways they want, and yet not be held accountable.

Cool
sr. member
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December 09, 2016, 06:32:54 AM
As I do not believe in god. I think there is no god in this world.  So I am an atheist
if you think you do not believe in god, and you assume that God does not exist, that so my question is, how nature is created and who created, and how you can create, as became a man, only with sex ...? not that all thanks to the intervention of a god ...? !!
I'm sure there's a logical explanation, but God was invented to cover up their ignorance. Then religion began to cover up the desire for power. Over time, they learned the religion to make money.
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December 09, 2016, 12:16:52 AM
As I do not believe in god. I think there is no god in this world.  So I am an atheist
if you think you do not believe in god, and you assume that God does not exist, that so my question is, how nature is created and who created, and how you can create, as became a man, only with sex ...? not that all thanks to the intervention of a god ...? !!
legendary
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December 08, 2016, 10:09:35 PM

"God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us" wait didn't the devil tell Adam and Eve to eat the apple to become like god?
"Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will." So we're slaves? ok. Also, do you watch both ways when crossing the road? I don't thinks so.

Well, didn't Adam and Eve become like God, knowing both good and evil? Until they sinned, Adam and Eve knew only good. After they sinned, they knew evil as well. What's wrong with that? Nothing... if you like death. Since then, they and all their descendants get to die.

Not slaves. There is a tiny part in each of us that believes in God in free will fashion. According to our faith and His will, God directs our lives according to our faith in Him.

The funny thing is, if you didn't have any faith in God at all, you wouldn't be alive. Why do you keep on trying to kill yourself... by eliminating the last little bit of faith in God that you have?

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December 08, 2016, 09:31:06 PM
One of the main conclusions on the OP is that the burden of showing evidence is on the believers side.
Bullshit. You did not address my reasonable doubt that a brain is even necessary for consciousness and did not provide a reason to doubt that the math genius had "nearly no brain", nor did you deny the logical conclusion of this empirical result.
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December 08, 2016, 09:27:36 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.


hm, aren't the 10 commandments like do's and don't? Like you program a machine to do? hm... Also, I cannot believe how stupid you sound.. It's very,very easy to do that for every new god I can imagine now. here, I'll show you.

 The only true God is Krimwer, he gave us free will to do evil and good in our eyes as long as we consider that to be the true way or as long as we believe in those things we do, evil or not. Also, he has created the first human, he gave the chimpanzee the magic water to drink and it developed stronger mind and magically stood up, transformed. Krimwer, the God, is also beyond our seeing spectre or any other technology that we have, so we can't  see him or with any tech that we have but he's there. Also, he's has spoken to me, through my mind and told me all of this, so I've written it down and that is the first chapter in the holy book, he will call me later to tell me more.

So what makes your religion more legit than this one I've just made up right now?
I submit to you that no one can tell if your "made up" religion relates to a being who actually exists without a rhetorical analysis of the entire book(s) in question. Do you really expect me to have knowledge of this being without exhaustively examining its alleged WORD? Check out the paper called "The Problem of Seth's Origin" for details and get back to me on this and please also post that "first chapter"!
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December 08, 2016, 07:44:57 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.


hm, aren't the 10 commandments like do's and don't? Like you program a machine to do? hm... Also, I cannot believe how stupid you sound.. It's very,very easy to do that for every new god I can imagine now. here, I'll show you.

 The only true God is Krimwer, he gave us free will to do evil and good in our eyes as long as we consider that to be the true way or as long as we believe in those things we do, evil or not. Also, he has created the first human, he gave the chimpanzee the magic water to drink and it developed stronger mind and magically stood up, transformed. Krimwer, the God, is also beyond our seeing spectre or any other technology that we have, so we can't  see him or with any tech that we have but he's there. Also, he's has spoken to me, through my mind and told me all of this, so I've written it down and that is the first chapter in the holy book, he will call me later to tell me more.

So what makes your religion more legit than this one I've just made up right now?
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December 08, 2016, 07:37:24 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.

I disagree with you. Freedom and liberty God gives. And not just because it is not, but because it is people take themselves. Very often pay for it with their lives and health. Where to watch your God?

God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us.

Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will.

But, God, Himself, holds open a tiny bit of freedom in us regarding how much we believe in Him. Then He regulates our lives in ways that match our faith in Him. We think that it was our free will, when what it was, was, God interpreting our faith in Him, and adjusting our lives according to our faith.

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I'm an atheist and I like it. Every religion tries to subdue the man. It is a kind of legalized slavery. What sane person would voluntarily want to become a slave? So I'm sure that among the believers of smart people there.
Not in the mind of the matter. Man's easier to live with the hope that it will support some force. Many find comfort in faith and God. Atheists believe in themselves and in what they are doing their own life

Yeah, pretty much.

"God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us" wait didn't the devil tell Adam and Eve to eat the apple to become like god?
"Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will." So we're slaves? ok. Also, do you watch both ways when crossing the road? I don't thinks so.
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December 08, 2016, 04:40:10 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.

I disagree with you. Freedom and liberty God gives. And not just because it is not, but because it is people take themselves. Very often pay for it with their lives and health. Where to watch your God?

God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us.

Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will.

But, God, Himself, holds open a tiny bit of freedom in us regarding how much we believe in Him. Then He regulates our lives in ways that match our faith in Him. We think that it was our free will, when what it was, was, God interpreting our faith in Him, and adjusting our lives according to our faith.

Cool
I'm an atheist and I like it. Every religion tries to subdue the man. It is a kind of legalized slavery. What sane person would voluntarily want to become a slave? So I'm sure that among the believers of smart people there.
Not in the mind of the matter. Man's easier to live with the hope that it will support some force. Many find comfort in faith and God. Atheists believe in themselves and in what they are doing their own life
legendary
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December 08, 2016, 04:09:36 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.

I disagree with you. Freedom and liberty God gives. And not just because it is not, but because it is people take themselves. Very often pay for it with their lives and health. Where to watch your God?

God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us.

Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will.

But, God, Himself, holds open a tiny bit of freedom in us regarding how much we believe in Him. Then He regulates our lives in ways that match our faith in Him. We think that it was our free will, when what it was, was, God interpreting our faith in Him, and adjusting our lives according to our faith.

Cool
I'm an atheist and I like it. Every religion tries to subdue the man. It is a kind of legalized slavery. What sane person would voluntarily want to become a slave? So I'm sure that among the believers of smart people there.

According to the dictionary definition of "religion," and according to the way people act atheistically, atheism is a religion. The religion of atheism is subduing mankind, pushing the atheists into eternal death, and using the appearance of freedom to do it.

If atheists want truth in their lives, they need to recognize God exists. Start here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

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December 08, 2016, 03:29:43 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.

I disagree with you. Freedom and liberty God gives. And not just because it is not, but because it is people take themselves. Very often pay for it with their lives and health. Where to watch your God?

God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us.

Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will.

But, God, Himself, holds open a tiny bit of freedom in us regarding how much we believe in Him. Then He regulates our lives in ways that match our faith in Him. We think that it was our free will, when what it was, was, God interpreting our faith in Him, and adjusting our lives according to our faith.

Cool
I'm an atheist and I like it. Every religion tries to subdue the man. It is a kind of legalized slavery. What sane person would voluntarily want to become a slave? So I'm sure that among the believers of smart people there.
legendary
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December 04, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.

I disagree with you. Freedom and liberty God gives. And not just because it is not, but because it is people take themselves. Very often pay for it with their lives and health. Where to watch your God?

God acts with us in all our freedom and liberty He gave us.

Everything acts according to cause and effect. This means that everything is programmed, and that there is no free will.

But, God, Himself, holds open a tiny bit of freedom in us regarding how much we believe in Him. Then He regulates our lives in ways that match our faith in Him. We think that it was our free will, when what it was, was, God interpreting our faith in Him, and adjusting our lives according to our faith.

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December 04, 2016, 08:06:23 AM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.

I disagree with you. Freedom and liberty God gives. And not just because it is not, but because it is people take themselves. Very often pay for it with their lives and health. Where to watch your God?
sr. member
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December 04, 2016, 06:47:26 AM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.


Only 2 problems.....

1. God doesn't exist!
2. Why are you only following individual aspects of the bible? I can point out more comments from the bible if you like to see if you are following them.
legendary
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December 04, 2016, 06:24:10 AM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

God gave us free will.
It means that we have capacity to do good or evil.
If God prevent us to do something, he block our free will and freedom.
Without our freedom we will be just like robots and God don't want it.
So, God have no choice but to allow both good and evil in this world, so that people can learn from their suffering and return to him, like in the story of ''Prodigal son'' in the Bible.
hero member
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December 03, 2016, 11:40:43 PM
   If there was a "soul" independent of the brain and the brain was just the link between the body and the "soul", all diseases/damages of the brain wouldn't affect our ability to still be aware and to think.


How clever of you to require as proof of the soul that ALL brain deficiencies must be healed by the spirit. That allows you to ignore as evidence for the soul the math genius who had almost no brain!

After such damage, such a brain would not have any ability to still be aware and think, yet it still functions just fine!

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Later, a colleague at Sheffield University became aware of a young man with a larger than normal head.  He was referred to Lorber even though it had not caused him any difficulty.  Although the boy had an IQ of 126 and had a first class honours degree in mathematics, he had "virtually no brain".  A noninvasive measurement of radio density known as CAT scan showed the boy's skull was lined with a thin layer of brain cells to a millimeter in thickness.  The rest of his skull was filled with cerebrospinal fluid.  The young man continues a normal life with the exception of his knowledge that he has no brain.
http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/science/is_the_brain_really_necessary.htm


OP has made this claim about brain deficiency in order to support the claim that there is no evidence for life after death (#5), but I see that the OP has removed the part of his post where he made the claim that "everything seems to force [you] to conclude that you were nothing for an eternity and are going to be nothing again for another". Actually, I do not see any evidence or reasons favoring a belief in human life being "nothing for an eternity" both before and after human life because obviously nothing can come from nothing. On the other hand, there is actually a lot of scientific evidence supporting near-death experiences and the afterlife.
Here is my reply to that claim made by OP from earlier:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14425062
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December 03, 2016, 11:39:21 PM


Everyone has a different path to take in life. In the later posts of the Atheism and Health thread I explained my path and the logic that led me to reject atheism as false. I wish you good fortune on your journey.

I think you would agree that the so-called "waves" (of course, no empirical evidence on them...) can't explain why something that you say are a simple receptor (the brain) can in the end affect not only the transmission but also its author, the "soul".

I guess it must be a coincidence. Wink

This man had virtually no brain and the soul was unaffected. His soul was unaffected by a total deficit of his "simple receptor" (the brain).

I suggest you check out CoinCube's thread again; CoinCube and I are going to continue bringing important details and facts to your attention.

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In conflict with established medical thinking, there are literally hundreds of cases where people have either been born with an underdeveloped brain, or have had large areas of their brain damaged in an accident, but are still able to function normally.

Such anomalies were partly explained when it was discovered that we have the ability to relocate particular brain functions to other areas of the brain.  Exactly how this works is still beyond modern science, and so the ability lies in limbo between accepted medical fact and that which is still regarded as nonsense.  However, it may be that this discovery is only the tip of the iceberg, for there are people whose very existence seems to indicate that our brains are nowhere near as vital to our survival as we might think.
legendary
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November 26, 2016, 06:10:27 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus
I agree with you. Ministers of different religions are trying to fool as many people as possible to get them more money. Religion is "opium" for the people. Not only harm to health and consciousness.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.


Not only is God willing and able to prevent evil, but He has done it. When each person dies, the evil is gone from his/her life forever.

You simply don't understand the depth to which God place people in this universe. People have God within them. It is the only way we can be alive as we are. Otherwise we would be like the animals - complex robots. So, how else can God stop the evil other than destroying Himself. This is why Jesus God came onto the picture, so that God could die, without destroying God entirely.

You simply are ignorant of what is going on.


Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?


Evil comes from the free will God has placed into the universe. Satan has free will. People have free will. Both have used their free will to contradict God. Yet, you can't contradict God because God is greater than all, and is the One Who is holding everything in place, including the lives of all people. This is why Jesus God was stretched all out of shape in His death on the cross. He made it possible for God to remain in mankind so that mankind could remain alive.


This shows that God is not only God, but He is God Almighty. You can't change God's purpose for us and for Himself. At best you can only destroy yourself by not trusting in Jesus salvation.

Turn to faith in Jesus God while you still have time.

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