Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 56. (Read 89184 times)

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

Epicurus

One of the main conclusions on the OP is that the burden of showing evidence is on the believers side.

Well, reasonable believers are the first to recognize that believing is a matter of faith, not of evidence or science.

So, they believe in god, like anyone of us can believe that he is immortal: out of will to believe or out of fear.

Others might have this power over you: making you believe in invisible things just because they believe on them.

I do not know why you are an atheist.  You are the one who could answer that to yourself.  But the fact that you are thinking about God maybe He is calling your attention.  Maybe He is starting to introduce Himself to you by way of citing things like the one you listed.  There must be a special thing that you really took time to list it all down.  Maybe you are intrigued and curious.  Best way to know Him more.

In Africa and Asia, missionary groups (both Muslim and Christian) are using these "miracles" to convert adherents of other religions to their faith. There are modern day miracles as well... such as "blood" coming out from the eyes of the statue of virgin Mary in South India and fragrance spreading from tombs of Sufi saints in Pakistan.

Same goes for other stories and superstitions, including "miracles". A group of nomads telling each other stories around a fire 2000 years ago don't prove anything. There is still zero evidence.

...is way different than a whole nation of people being recorded as being excited about Jesus. Something stirred the nation of Israel so strongly that they are adamantly against Christianity today, and would put Christians to death as heretics if they had the strength to do it. This doesn't simply happen for no reason....

Nope, as explain in a previous thread, science cannot prove anything about anything. That's not how it works.
So your claim that science is trying to prove evolution is false. Not sure if you just don't understand science or being deliberately deceptive.

You can substitute the word jesus with santa clauss, zeus, thor, buddha, the flying spaghetti monster, jeova, etc. ... and still have exactly the same amount of evidence (which is zero)



I am also agnostic towards santa clauss, in the sense that I cannot disprove its existence.. but from not being able to disprove, to actually believe in it...

Pro Jesus;

- thousands of years of prophecies in stories predicting Jesus character and mission
- fine tuning of the universe
- complex DNA coding
- materialism has been proven wrong by (quantum) physics
- christianity sparked and sustained the evolution of modern civilization (including science)
- cosmic linear evolution, everything seems to be "directed" in a certain direction

I think the most reasonable position is to be an agnostic, I simply don't know....

I like our brave soldier of god (he can even take a joke without losing his head; he deserves to go to heaven; too bad, there isn't one), but I take that as an insult. 

Of course, as an atheist, I couldn't never believe on what I wrote.

But anyone that believes on an omniscient god have to accept that he knew exactly how we would be when he (allegedly) created us.

So, god would be creating conscientiously and deliberately atheists.

We could say that god was doing that in order to use atheist as an example to teach a lesson to theists.

But since god could create good theists that would never need any burning of atheists to be good theists, the only rational explanation to someone that accepts the premises that god exists and is omniscient would be that god is a sadist that loves to burn unnecessarily atheist in hell.

Free will is incompatible with the omniscience of god.

If he knows the future, he knows what we are going to do and, therefore, everything we do is already determined.

Determined by god, since he created (allegedly) us exactly as we are and determined to do what he knew we would do.

Of course, all of this only points out that there is no god and that, anyway, logically, he could never be omniscient and good at the same time, taking in account how bad the world and humans in certain situations can be.

But this is a dilemma theists have been trying to deal with (and failing miserably) for centuries.