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legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
August 06, 2016, 06:34:01 AM


Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.


I had to do a double-take here -- this totally looked like something BADecker would have written.

I like our brave soldier of god (he can even take a joke without losing his head; he deserves to go to heaven; too bad, there isn't one), but I take that as an insult.  Wink

Of course, as an atheist, I couldn't never believe on what I wrote.

But anyone that believes on an omniscient god have to accept that he knew exactly how we would be when he (allegedly) created us.

So, god would be creating conscientiously and deliberately atheists.

We could say that god was doing that in order to use atheist as an example to teach a lesson to theists.

But since god could create good theists that would never need any burning of atheists to be good theists, the only rational explanation to someone that accepts the premises that god exists and is omniscient would be that god is a sadist that loves to burn unnecessarily atheist in hell.

Free will is incompatible with the omniscience of god.

If he knows the future, he knows what we are going to do and, therefore, everything we do is already determined.

Determined by god, since he created (allegedly) us exactly as we are and determined to do what he knew we would do.

Of course, all of this only points out that there is no god and that, anyway, logically, he could never be omniscient and good at the same time, taking in account how bad the world and humans in certain situations can be.

But this is a dilemma theists have been trying to deal with (and failing miserably) for centuries.
legendary
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August 04, 2016, 05:47:01 PM


Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.


I had to do a double-take here -- this totally looked like something BADecker would have written.

Actually, atheists love to burn in Hell. That's why they try to resist God-knowledge in themselves, knowledge that would save them if they simply accepted it... in the face of science and nature showing them that God exists.

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donator
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Poor impulse control.
August 04, 2016, 05:02:16 PM


Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.


I had to do a double-take here -- this totally looked like something BADecker would have written.
legendary
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August 01, 2016, 12:28:08 PM

Actually, God working with theists is the reason atheists even have a life. After all, since he saves many theists to eternal life, why not convert some of the atheists so some of them can be saved, as well?

Besides, nobody knows that Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old. It's part of all the things that the scientific community assumes, just so that they can downplay the idea of God.

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Since god (allegedly) created all of us, knowing very well what we would do and believe (the good book say he is omniscient, knows everything: Psalm 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be"), he created us atheists.

Why is the question theists have to answer.

Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.

Clearly, this brave soldier of god thinks god is going to save him for spending his time trying to convert us.

The problem is that he is so bad (if his nick was suggested by a theist friend, I know where his friend found inspiration for the nick) trying to convert us that he ends up doing the opposite: he stimulates atheism.

At best, he will end at purgatory for instigating atheism. At worst, he will end up with us in hell. Wouldn't it be fun? He could keep preaching us there.

I seriously doubt he converted anyone on bitcointalk. If I'm being unfair, feel free to post if he converted you.

"Gobekli Tepe isn't 13,000 years old"  Grin

"The Universe and the world only have about 6,000 years"  Grin

Carry on the good (from our perspective) or god (from his perspective) work.




As Saint Paul said in Romans, God gave us the law so sin would become utterly sinful.

If nobody on Bitcointalk is converted to believe in God and be saved, the thing that HAS happened is, they have read the things about God, and have set themselves in concrete (so to speak) against God. Since they have set themselves to be this way, it will be easy for God to not accidentally grab them as His own when the time comes for Him to take His people to their new home in Heaven.

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When the time will come when God calls his people to himself, for God there is no difference believe in it or do not believe. Another thing the believers have to be ready for this relocation. And atheists have not easily accept such a change events. Many atheists for their stubbornness, will not be able to find a way to God's kingdom. They will not be able to hear God's voice.

There is a great difference. People have to believe in Jesus to be saved. But for sure, if they are atheists, they do not even believe in God, and are not saved at all, but are damned.

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sr. member
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July 31, 2016, 11:59:32 PM

Actually, God working with theists is the reason atheists even have a life. After all, since he saves many theists to eternal life, why not convert some of the atheists so some of them can be saved, as well?

Besides, nobody knows that Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old. It's part of all the things that the scientific community assumes, just so that they can downplay the idea of God.

Cool

Since god (allegedly) created all of us, knowing very well what we would do and believe (the good book say he is omniscient, knows everything: Psalm 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be"), he created us atheists.

Why is the question theists have to answer.

Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.

Clearly, this brave soldier of god thinks god is going to save him for spending his time trying to convert us.

The problem is that he is so bad (if his nick was suggested by a theist friend, I know where his friend found inspiration for the nick) trying to convert us that he ends up doing the opposite: he stimulates atheism.

At best, he will end at purgatory for instigating atheism. At worst, he will end up with us in hell. Wouldn't it be fun? He could keep preaching us there.

I seriously doubt he converted anyone on bitcointalk. If I'm being unfair, feel free to post if he converted you.

"Gobekli Tepe isn't 13,000 years old"  Grin

"The Universe and the world only have about 6,000 years"  Grin

Carry on the good (from our perspective) or god (from his perspective) work.




As Saint Paul said in Romans, God gave us the law so sin would become utterly sinful.

If nobody on Bitcointalk is converted to believe in God and be saved, the thing that HAS happened is, they have read the things about God, and have set themselves in concrete (so to speak) against God. Since they have set themselves to be this way, it will be easy for God to not accidentally grab them as His own when the time comes for Him to take His people to their new home in Heaven.

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When the time will come when God calls his people to himself, for God there is no difference believe in it or do not believe. Another thing the believers have to be ready for this relocation. And atheists have not easily accept such a change events. Many atheists for their stubbornness, will not be able to find a way to God's kingdom. They will not be able to hear God's voice.
legendary
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July 31, 2016, 08:58:58 PM

Actually, God working with theists is the reason atheists even have a life. After all, since he saves many theists to eternal life, why not convert some of the atheists so some of them can be saved, as well?

Besides, nobody knows that Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old. It's part of all the things that the scientific community assumes, just so that they can downplay the idea of God.

Cool

Since god (allegedly) created all of us, knowing very well what we would do and believe (the good book say he is omniscient, knows everything: Psalm 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be"), he created us atheists.

Why is the question theists have to answer.

Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.

Clearly, this brave soldier of god thinks god is going to save him for spending his time trying to convert us.

The problem is that he is so bad (if his nick was suggested by a theist friend, I know where his friend found inspiration for the nick) trying to convert us that he ends up doing the opposite: he stimulates atheism.

At best, he will end at purgatory for instigating atheism. At worst, he will end up with us in hell. Wouldn't it be fun? He could keep preaching us there.

I seriously doubt he converted anyone on bitcointalk. If I'm being unfair, feel free to post if he converted you.

"Gobekli Tepe isn't 13,000 years old"  Grin

"The Universe and the world only have about 6,000 years"  Grin

Carry on the good (from our perspective) or god (from his perspective) work.




As Saint Paul said in Romans, God gave us the law so sin would become utterly sinful.

If nobody on Bitcointalk is converted to believe in God and be saved, the thing that HAS happened is, they have read the things about God, and have set themselves in concrete (so to speak) against God. Since they have set themselves to be this way, it will be easy for God to not accidentally grab them as His own when the time comes for Him to take His people to their new home in Heaven.

Cool
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
July 31, 2016, 05:59:23 PM

Actually, God working with theists is the reason atheists even have a life. After all, since he saves many theists to eternal life, why not convert some of the atheists so some of them can be saved, as well?

Besides, nobody knows that Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old. It's part of all the things that the scientific community assumes, just so that they can downplay the idea of God.

Cool

Since god (allegedly) created all of us, knowing very well what we would do and believe (the good book say he is omniscient, knows everything: Psalm 139:16 "Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be"), he created us atheists.

Why is the question theists have to answer.

Maybe god loves to have many atheists to burn in hell, so he makes many deliberately.

Clearly, this brave soldier of god thinks god is going to save him for spending his time trying to convert us.

The problem is that he is so bad (if his nick was suggested by a theist friend, I know where his friend found inspiration for the nick) trying to convert us that he ends up doing the opposite: he stimulates atheism.

At best, he will end at purgatory for instigating atheism. At worst, he will end up with us in hell. Wouldn't it be fun? He could keep preaching us there.

I seriously doubt he converted anyone on bitcointalk. If I'm being unfair, feel free to post if he converted you.

"Gobekli Tepe isn't 13,000 years old"  Grin

"The Universe and the world only have about 6,000 years"  Grin

Carry on the good (from our perspective) or god (from his perspective) work.


sr. member
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July 29, 2016, 06:44:32 AM
It is difficult to live without faith. It does not matter what you believe, the main thing that this faith helps you live. But theists really cunning. Talking about what they do not believe in God. Just for atheists, God is the science and art of some, god is money. So atheism is a religion too. Wink

God is science, art, money? Sounds like a very religious person to me. I agree with you that faith makes living easier because you have to think less about your own actions and just follow some 2 thousand year old rules. It also helps you to accept your own death. A  lot of elder people become religious again.
Or I not correctly expressed his thought, or you do not understand me. But it is not important. Interesting. What do you have against the scriptures and commandments, including ?! The conflict with your view of the world, such statements. Like, do not kill, do not steal, You shall not covet your neighbor's wife ...
hero member
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July 29, 2016, 01:15:23 AM
It is difficult to live without faith. It does not matter what you believe, the main thing that this faith helps you live. But theists really cunning. Talking about what they do not believe in God. Just for atheists, God is the science and art of some, god is money. So atheism is a religion too. Wink

God is science, art, money? Sounds like a very religious person to me. I agree with you that faith makes living easier because you have to think less about your own actions and just follow some 2 thousand year old rules. It also helps you to accept your own death. A  lot of elder people become religious again.
sr. member
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July 28, 2016, 09:30:53 PM
It is difficult to live without faith. It does not matter what you believe, the main thing that this faith helps you live. But theists really cunning. Talking about what they do not believe in God. Just for atheists, God is the science and art of some, god is money. So atheism is a religion too. Wink
legendary
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July 28, 2016, 09:01:24 PM
Give me your BTC, address, I will tip you! Never saw a more decent post in my entire life.

5. It is my life! I define my destiny, not a priest!

Thanks, but no need to tip me.

If you want to help us, atheists, promoting reason, science and tolerance, just post on this thread sometimes.

No doubt, many theists are tolerant people, however, the number of radical believers has been growing (thanks just to their higher birth rates and massive indoctrination of their children) and they can end up being a menace to our way of life or, at least, the one of our children.

Radicalism/orthodoxy has been rising not only on Muslim countries, including Turkey or Indonesia, but also on Israel and even on the United States.

And, yes, in the end, religion is mostly about the power and financial support of a cast of professional priests that live on the credulity of their fellow citizens.

And this has been going on for at least 13,000 years (see Gobekli Tepe).

Actually, God working with theists is the reason atheists even have a life. After all, since he saves many theists to eternal life, why not convert some of the atheists so some of them can be saved, as well?

Besides, nobody knows that Gobekli Tepe is 13,000 years old. It's part of all the things that the scientific community assumes, just so that they can downplay the idea of God.

Cool
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
July 28, 2016, 07:04:03 PM
Give me your BTC, address, I will tip you! Never saw a more decent post in my entire life.

5. It is my life! I define my destiny, not a priest!

Thanks, but no need to tip me.

If you want to help us, atheists, promoting reason, science and tolerance, just post on this thread sometimes.

No doubt, many theists are tolerant people, however, the number of radical believers has been growing (thanks just to their higher birth rates and massive indoctrination of their children) and they can end up being a menace to our way of life or, at least, the one of our children.

Radicalism/orthodoxy has been rising not only on Muslim countries, including Turkey or Indonesia, but also on Israel and even on the United States.

And, yes, in the end, religion is mostly about the power and financial support of a cast of professional priests that live on the credulity of their fellow citizens.

And this has been going on for at least 13,000 years (see Gobekli Tepe).
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July 28, 2016, 06:14:58 PM
       

                        Why am I an atheist

   It's absurd to ruin your life (a lucky but tiny oasis of awareness that exists between two infinite deserts of nothingness) by following absurd or immoral rules invented by primitive people of the Bronze Age which have no relation whatsoever with the happiness of other people.

Christian rules are not immoral in nature, the concept of marriage and having a family came out of religious beliefs and the family has a stabilizing effect on the society.
hero member
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July 28, 2016, 05:33:33 PM
Give me your BTC, address, I will tip you! Never saw a more decent post in my entire life.
Here are my views:
1. Those who believe a teacher blindly just for the sake of respect can never dream to reach out to a new discovery.
2. We are blind followers of religion since our parents enforce its importance from childhood.
3. Religion creates bias among nations and the work of our ancestors is what we have today in front of our eyes
4. Challenging the preaching of a priest will lead to mass murder and still, those who want an answer will back down.
5. It is my life! I define my destiny, not a priest! Fuck them!
hero member
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July 28, 2016, 05:19:50 PM
An atheist is uncertain only because: By the relativity of our thought we are eternally debarred from knowing or conceiving Absolute Being;

yet this very relativity of our thought, necessitates that vague consciousness of Absolute Being which no mental effort can suppress.

there ever remains with us a sense of that which exists persistently and independently of conditions, and this belief which persists at all times, under all circumstances, has the highest validity of any belief.
hero member
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July 28, 2016, 04:33:43 PM
The difference of an (real) atheist from a believer is that we have no absolute certainties at all, especially about any god.

An atheist is uncertain only because: None of the suppositions respecting the origin of the Universe are even conceivable in the true sense of the word. We think in relations, therefore by the laws of thought we are
1) prevented from forming a conception of absolute existence,
2) prevented from excluding the consciousness of absolute existence

From the necessity of thinking in relations, it follows that the Relative is itself inconceivable, except as related to a real Non-relative. Unless a real Non-relative or Absolute be postulated, the Relative itself becomes absolute, and so brings the argument to a contradiction.

A "certain" belief is one which persists at all times and under all circumstances. The consciousness of absolute existence is a mental element which exists absolutely. If you don't understand this argument, you are in luck because I have excerpted some key parts of it below and provided a link to the full treatise. Happy thinking.  Wink

the vague consciousness which we retain of the objectively real, is of something which persists absolutely, under all changes of mode, form, or appearance. And the fact that we cannot form even an indefinite notion of the absolutely real, except as the absolutely persistent, implies that persistence is our ultimate test of the real whether as existing under its unknown form or under the form known to us.

Consequently, the result must be the same to us whether that which we perceive be the Unknowable itself, or an effect invariably wrought on us by the Unknowable.

Hence there may be drawn these conclusions: — First, that we have an indefinite consciousness of an absolute reality transcending relations, which is produced by the absolute persistence in us of something which survives all changes of relation. Second, that we have a definite consciousness of relative reality, which unceasingly persists in us under one or other of its forms, and under each form so long as the conditions of presentation are fulfilled; and that the relative reality, being thus continuously persistent in us, is as real to us as would be the absolute reality could it be immediately known. Third, that thought being possible only under relation, the relative reality can be conceived as such only in connexion with an absolute reality; and the connexion between the two being absolutely persistent in our consciousness, is real in the same sense as the terms it unites are real.

Thus then we may resume, with entire confidence, those realistic conceptions which Philosophy at first sight seems to dissipate. Though reality under the forms of our consciousness is but a conditioned effect of the absolute reality, yet this conditioned effect standing in indissoluble relation with its unconditioned cause, and being equally persistent with it so long as the conditions persist, is, to the consciousness supplying those conditions, equally real.

by taking away limits and conditions in successive acts, we form an indefinite notion of general existence. By fusing a series of states of consciousness, from each of which, as it arises, the limitations and conditions are abolished, there is produced a consciousness of something unconditioned. To speak more rigorously: — this consciousness is not the abstract of any one group of thoughts, ideas, or conceptions; but it is the abstract of all thoughts, ideas, or conceptions. That which is common to them all we predicate by the word existence. Dissociated as this becomes from each of its modes by the perpetual change of those modes, it remains as an indefinite consciousness of something constant under all modes — of being apart from its appearances. The distinction we feel between specialized existences and general existence, is the distinction between that which is changeable in us and that which is unchangeable. The contrast between the Absolute and the Relative in our minds, is really the contrast between that mental element which exists absolutely, and those which exist relatively.

So that this ultimate mental element is at once necessarily indefinite and necessarily indestructible. Our consciousness of the unconditioned being literally the unconditioned consciousness, or raw material of thought to which in thinking we give definite forms, it follows that an ever-present sense of real existence is the basis of our intelligence. As we can in successive mental acts get rid of all particular conditions and replace them by others, but cannot get rid of that undifferentiated substance of consciousness which is conditioned anew in every thought, there ever remains with us a sense of that which exists persistently and independently of conditions. While by the laws of thought we are prevented from forming a conception of absolute existence; we are by the laws of thought prevented from excluding the consciousness of absolute existence: this consciousness being, as we here see, the obverse of self-consciousness. And since the measure of relative validity among our beliefs, is the degree of their persistence in opposition to the efforts made to change them, it follows that this which persists at all times, under all circumstances, has the highest validity of any.

The points in this somewhat too elaborate argument are these: In the very assertion that all knowledge, properly so called, is Relative, there is involved the assertion that there exists a Non-relative. In each step of the argument by which this doctrine is established, the same assumption is made. From the necessity of thinking in relations, it follows that the Relative is itself inconceivable, except as related to a real Non-relative. Unless a real Non-relative or Absolute be postulated, the Relative itself becomes absolute, and so brings the argument to a contradiction. And on watching our thoughts we have seen how impossible it is to get rid of the consciousness of an Actuality lying behind Appearances; and how from this impossibility, results our indestructible belief in that Actuality.
full member
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July 28, 2016, 03:35:34 PM
The difference of an (real) atheist from a believer is that we have no absolute certainties at all, especially about any god.

We don't say that god doesn't exist, we just say that we have no reasons to believe that he exists. We say the same about vampires or dragons.

The burden of proof is on anyone arguing something positive, like that there is a higher being that created deliberately the Universe.
Agree, burden of proof lies on that one that presents something, you can't say "please prove that I don't have 1000 btc in my wallet right now" it's so stupid in any argument you put it.
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
July 28, 2016, 03:18:12 PM
The difference of an (real) atheist from a believer is that we have no absolute certainties at all, especially about any god.

We don't say that god doesn't exist, we just say that we have no reasons to believe that he exists. It's the same that we say about vampires or dragons.

The burden of proof is on anyone arguing something positive, like that there is a higher being that created deliberately the Universe.
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July 24, 2016, 10:37:38 PM
Some of my friends are atheists, some aren't, i gues you'll find fanatics in both ways, and great people in both ways also, but as you meet more and more, you find out it isn't just both ways, everyone's a whole world, getting to know each other is so cool, and as you said, fanatism ruins your point of view.
Fanatics use "god" as an excuse to do things, and even do bad things thinking that "their god will forgive them, so everything is okay as long as they do prayers or what their religious says"
legendary
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July 23, 2016, 08:54:55 PM
This is reason why I am atheist .

1) God is a human creation.

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Well, science (the thing that proves God exists) is a human creation, as well, right?

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