Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 59. (Read 89199 times)

Cause and effect as upheld by Newton's 3rd Law exists in everything that we know and have found the reasons for. There is nothing that has been found to be pure random. Pure random isn't even logical.

Every effect has been caused. All things have been programmed to exist as they do.


There must have been a beginning, because entropy exists in everything. If there was no beginning, everything would have been dispersed and diffused long ago, and we would see close to zero complexity in the universe at all.

There was a beginning to the universe. What started the causes and effects?


Because of our inability to observe cause and effect activity on extremely complex and extremely small scales, we have invented probability for ourselves to more-or-less guess about things that we can't measure. What this shows is that cause and effect action made the intelligence that we are. But to make the causes that produce the complexities of nature and the universe, there must have been far greater intelligence.

Intelligence doesn't conceptually develop from non-intelligence. This is observable throughout nature when we use our probability to examine things.


This all means that whatever started the universe had to be highly intelligent, and extremely powerful. If it was Big Bang, there had to exist intelligence inside of the Big Bang. If there wasn't intelligence, cause and effect would have produced mush rather than complexity.

Since we don't really have a clue if Big Bang was real, and we don't really know of anything else that could have started the universe, our word "God" fits the description of what the universe Maker must have been.

Isn't believing in a god is just a personal experience too. You make believe that there's a god because you hear him in your head. Sounds like crazy though.   

My daughter would say you are denying the existence of the Tooth Fairy.  Since you have heard of her, she exists.

See how stupid you sound?  Time to pull your head out of the sand.

Did you even make a choice where your choice failed? Did you ever choose to do something and it didn't happen even when you worked at it? Think of all the people who choose to make Internet money, and fail miserably. Or what about the people who chose to drive to the country for a day, and were killed in a car accident.

Your choices always include your choice as to how much you believe in God, even when you are not aware of it. Then God applies your choosing to the things of the universe.

God doesn't really want you to kill yourself. But He has given you freedom to have such a small amount of faith in Him that you might go out and do it, as He adjusts it for you, according to your faith in Him. After all, look at all the thousands of people who attempted suicide, but failed at it.

People who die in faith, even though they were choosing life when they died, have their reward from God in the afterlife.

I just want to say that you are only denying the existence of God. How can you came up with the idea of God. Since you know Him, He exists. Another is that maybe it is your personal experience that make yourself distance from God. Try to observe in your surroundings. Can't you see how beautiful His creation? Well I respect your view but I am not convinced with it.

You are making your choices buy yourself.
But many people tend to believe that they dont have brain,god is deciding for them.
So if i want to kill myself,god wants me to do this right? no sense for me

How does free will work if there's a god divine plan that can't be changed. It means the two is contradicting.

You only want to avoid the free will thing because you don't have a way to refute what I say.

God is the cause behind every cause and effect action.
There are no actions in the universe other than cause and effect actions.
God holds open a little piece of part-free will in mankind, and then causes all things to act based on His desires and mankind's little piece of semi-free will.
God gives freedom to all in this way.
The devil used his freedom to attempt to thwart God.
Mankind listened to the devil.
God is working on correcting everything:
1. In allowing freedom to remain, but under His control;
2. In letting His desires be fulfilled at the same time mankind get their way;
3. He does it by giving us time here to decide for all eternity if we will be for Him or against Him;
4. Then He will destroy this universe and replace it with a far better one;
5. Those people who are on His side will go to the new universe;
6. The people who are against Him will be destroyed with this universe;
7. He works salvation through His Son, Jesus.

Your only answer to all this is that I must be mad. But you know this stuff that I say is all true. Stop setting yourself against God, before you go down in the destruction.

You fate is sealed for all time once you die, because you cannot change anything in your mind after you are dead.

I'm an atheist but i hate discussing it for one simple reason, religious people are not reasonable and can't believe my non beliefs.

A discussion is only possible with mutual understanding.

Please, for your own sake, don't dig yourself into the infamous "free will" hole again. It's binary, either we have free will or we don't. You can't cherrypick.

How many times are you going to ask this? No! He gave free will, and we programmed our own flaws in, by accepting what the devil had to say.

Did he program in all the bible flaws and contradictions as well?

Makes absolute sense. Here's how.

Everything operates by cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that everything has been programmed to operate the way it does. This means that when the Programmer, God, programmed the Bible to be written, He also programmed what the people who wrote it actually put into it. So, essentially, the Bible was written by God.

After all, try to show us something that happens spontaneously - anything - without something causing it to happen. There isn't anything. God programmed it all.

I dont get all these argument's about religion here.
Bible is a book.
Books dont get written by a god's,they get written by humans.
So why do we think,that there is someone in the skies,who rules the whole universe? because some book actually tells us that?
Makes no sense to me,but well,im an atheist.

Now you are simply playing on words. However, if what you say is true, it gives the Bible eye witness record more credibility.

Nope, as explain in a previous thread, science cannot prove anything about anything. That's not how it works.
So your claim that science is trying to prove evolution is false. Not sure if you just don't understand science or being deliberately deceptive.

Actually, it's the other way around. Science continually proves out the Bible when it touches on something that the Bible says.

The idea of a 13 billion old universe is a fictional thing that the science religion has dredged up. The 6,200 year old universe is historical record, recorded in the Bible.

Science keeps on trying to prove evolution. But all they have done so far is to prove that evolution doesn't exist. When they say it does, they prove that they are liars, or deceptive at best.

The big difference is that bible holes stay holes forever. Science holes get filled in, albeit slowly.

Sometimes science unplugs a "placeholder" bible misplugged hole and puts is own plug in as correct replacement. For example when the young 6000 year old earth plug was replace with the correct 4.5 billion year old earth plug.

Thank God for science. (Not the bible god of course, who gets things wrong.)

Bible holes have to do with lack of explanation about every blade of grass. In addition, only a few people are listed by name... compared with all the people who have lived. But that is not what the Bible is for.

The basic theme of the Bible is salvation of the mortal soul. Science doesn't even have a clue that the soul exists. Other religions barely have the idea of salvation.

Science has the biggest holes of all.