Topic: Why I'm an atheist - page 60. (Read 89184 times)

Oh, so your admitting the bible has holes now? I thought the "word of God" was the perfect infallible book? Care to share with us what holes your admitting to? There’s *plenty* of choice.

But a lot few holes than anything else that is available.   

Sounds like your banging your head against a wall. Considering Christian mythology has more holes than a colander, that's understandable.  

It is not logical that God would only share truth with a small bigoted group in one tiny area of the Middle East--God does not act unjustly unto his flocks.

But how would you know that the WORD was never written down by someone?

What criteria would you use to say "this word is not of GOD"? Since GOD is a word without a referent for the atheist, it is illogical for an atheist to claim that GOD "did not write anything"!

True religion is spiritual religion and is a seeking after God. There are many aids and props which may be of help in the "focusing" of attention but they should only be offered to man and certainly not imposed upon him.

It is essential to seek the Truth of the One God, to learn of His true laws and to serve His Creation. But in order to learn and understand more about the Lord, most of you need guides or spiritual leaders for you cannot accept your own perfection. Therefore, the problem is to distinguish between the good teachers and the bad teachers, the true prophets and the false; you may rightly recognize the issue as being closely related to the Problem of the Criterion, which is “one of the most important and one of the most difficult of all the problems of philosophy.”

Emmanuel gave you the exact answer---"YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS."

In other words, one must look to the actions, the fruits of those who would be teachers or guides. Those who preach the ONENESS OF GOD and the brotherhood/sisterhood of humanity, who, like the American Indians, "respect all worship of Him by others and show respect to such things as are held sacred by others", who bring peace and unity to the world by sowing the seeds of love and compassion, patience and tolerance, and who practice what they preach by helping all in need, regardless of race, color, creed, sex, nationality---all “relations”, which, of course, is ALL. These ones are blessed and true "prophets", the Peacemakers--whose guidance you must seek in your spiritual quest. Never the person--always the WORD!

Only he has a right to call himself worthy, who lives in the light of God's word brought to earth by prophets of all religions for only by being in the truth of God's light and truth is one a prophet. Religions and associations are set up by man who then sets himself up as the decider of truth instead of leaving God's word whole. Ignorance is the cause of religious conflicts from one doctrine to another if they claim their source is God. People talk and yet fail to realize the oneness in All. There is no difference between Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Baha'i or Native Indian. All are from the same mold. Only the veil of ignorance separates them. Ignorance has its roots in the ego, it does not see Him in all things but on a most petty and shallow level.

What is the best name, then, for God? ANYTHING YOU CAN USE TO REMEMBER HIM BY IS BEST: Jehovah, Om, Allah, Great Spirit, Wakan Tanka---whatever, for he knows thy heart-call, not the noise upon thy lips and lungs for those are of earth flesh. The heart soul is that which is of God and to that he always responds--for the call always compels the answer!

You must stop of the separating out of the divisions of the various doctrines and see that that which is wondrous and truth is within all. You must gather the essence of the great perfection from all truth for truth is always truth--always and 100 percent. Man can err and come unto God--man cannot turn from the truth of God and come unto God. If you turn away from the Laws of God and the Laws of The Creation and practice in the ways of Satan and evil, ye shall be left to thy evil and it shall consume of you for evil shall always consume of itself. You may, 100% of mankind, rewrite of the laws and vote upon them by democratic vote---it will change not a hair for changing of them does not make them changed. It only sinks you deeper into the lie for once knowing the truth of it you can never "unknow" of the truth. For another man to tell you a thing which is wrong is right, only makes you the fool if you follow in his stupidity.

What I think your missing is, people interpret everything differently. I'm not christian, but I know that the Bible was Gods word but after all was written by man based on his interpretation. And that's what people do, read and interpret. So you blame the people for interpreting things.
I see your point and what you're trying to say, but try and see things with the perspective I am.

That's very true, I agree, you could call it common sense. But the thing is not everyone is the same, and the idea of no eternal consequences really gives people ideas to mess things up.
What I'm trying to say is, religion is a result of really smart marketing, but it's important to guide people with the herd mentality, many people don't steal rape or do crazy shit because they believe in afterlife and that whatever they do has consequences.

Sounds like you don't know how to say what you are trying to express.

God wrote the laws that we are to obey in our hearts. Our sensitivity has been waning over the thousands of years because of entropy. We can barely "feel" the laws in our hearts any longer. Yet, if you go out and murder someone, especially for no reason at all, you will feel the law in your heart rising up and telling you that you did wrong.

The other basic laws are there in our hearts, as well. They prick us a little when we disobey them. So, we avoid disobeying them at times, but then indulge the disobedience at other times. God reacts to this fickleness of ours perfectly in ways designed to offer us salvation from this disobedience, which is destroying.

Some people like you, have almost entirely glossed over their conscience, or at least parts of it. They have hardened themselves against the guilt that they feel, because they know there is no way to perfectly correct anything that they have done wrong. And they don't like feeling the prick of their guilt all the time.

God offers forgiveness for all this wrong that people have done. He offers it through the sacrifice that Jesus did, when He gave up His life on the cross. Jesus as God had the strength to take the mistakes of all people in His death. Jesus as man was punished, because it was mankind that sinned. Jesus as God was restored to life after 3 days in the grave, because nobody can destroy God.

It's all there for you. Freedom from the guilt in your heart is waiting for you. Faith in Jesus and the work that He did on the cross is how you access it. Once you believe in Jesus and forgiveness comes to you, then fill yourself on the Bible (starting with the New Testament) so that your faith is strengthened, so that you can have everlasting life in Heaven with us.

The wicked fickle ones he created,  deliberately making them wicked and fickle, all the time knowing they would act wicked and fickle because he's omnipotent.

Then gets angry because they act wicked and fickle.

Sounds legit.  

Rather, He reacts in perfection, perfectly, to fickle, wicked humans.   

Your god is very fickle. What about tomorrow?

God doesn't command anyone today to murder anyone.

In O.T. times God commanded the people of Israel as a nation to kill certain groups of people. But essentially, these people were to be killed because they had turned away from God in such a way that they had outlived their usefulness as people, even regarding being useful to themselves.

We see in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah that God DOES punish, directly, at times, and for homosexuality as well as other things. When you consider that God punishes and ordered Israel to "punish," you need to remember that He owns everything. We are all His property because He made us and the universe. He has the right.

Moloch is either forgetful, but more likely, deceptive. Don't follow in His ways. Your death in this life is bad enough. Follow Moloch, and your death will be in eternal agony.

Religion isn't about being good... it's about "fake it 'til you make it"

Religion is about being an asshole, but God forgives you anyway

The bible/God says that owning slaves is ok... rape is ok... homosexuality deserves death... eating a cheeseburger deserves death... cutting your sideburns = death... (yet people only hear what they want to hear)  Cherry picking hypocrites... all of them

Most religious people have different versions of God because none of them actually read the bible... everyone just creates this image of perfection in their head, and that is God... to them... but not anyone else... everyone's God is different... if you watch two christians talk/debate, it's like they don't agree on anything... as if there is no objective God, and its all subjective... because there is no god



Christians say things like, "God says homosexuality is a sin"... well... that's not what God said in the bible... God commands you to MURDER them... personally... God tells you to MURDER homosexuals (because for some reason he can't do it himself)... if you are not murdering them, you are not following God's command...

Your sky god is evil, don't do it!

I would just call it "common sense", not religion. And I follow to the same principles, as an atheist. You do not need religion to be good.

I am atheist because, I was born this way, like any other children. They tried to indoctrinate me (not by my parents, rather by the society in general) but it didn't work (luckily).

 These are good reasons for being Atheist against the Biblical God. The reason why I am Atheist towards all Gods is that there has not been any evidence presented yet that has persuaded me that a God exists. I'll concede that a malevolent God could exist but there still isn't any evidence.

Let me just cut my response short and say this.
Religion has been interpreted differently by different people.
In my opinion, religion is just a guideline as to how you should live your life, with the essence being, don't hurt others, your self or the community in general.
Do good and be a part of humanity and work to make it a better place.
I think that's a simple concept, but people go too deep with religion imposing shit upon themselves and wrecking havoc on others.
So I agree with you partly, but I am not an atheist, I'm a man of science
And I just believe in one God..

On the other hand...
You can always expect a smart man to listen to a woman's bullshit all night, because he knows that he is likely to get what he wants from her, which 99% of the time is "PLEASURE". What does the theory of phyiscalism have to say about sex? Can we trust the physicalist way of thinking about sex?


"In the natural world, beautiful usually means deadly. Beautiful with a casual demeanor always means deadly." - Edward O. Wilson in Naturalist.

"Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another; it is the only way." - Albert Einstein

Any atheist can rage at the churches, but what about discussion of the GOD question?

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw

"The New Age stereotype is that it is all about changing ourselves internally and the world will take care of itself. The political activists’ stereotype is that we ignore our inner selves to save the world. Neither works! The cultural creatives are about leaving that dichotomy behind and integrating the evolution of the self and the work on the whole." - Sarah van Gelder, editor of Yes! A Journal of Positive Future

Read more: http://www.systemsthinker.com/quotes/

"If we look as ancient civilizations, numerous advancements were made in places where people gathered and exchanged ideas. Now we have the internet for that and if we can use it properly we should be able to exchange more ideas in a few years than the entire previous human history combined."


"The fact that most of ancient cultures and religions talk about all being one, the one being god, etc., takes precedence today, for instance, when discussing quantum entanglement, and so on... today this concept [of the] holographic universe, is challenging and compelling but as long as the math works, eventually we will get use to it. All I know is that all we learned in school is being rewritten, so let's keep an open mind and enjoy the ride of the millenium.... yesterday's magic is today's science, the possibilities are endless!"

"People that are intelligent and open minded tend to be more respectful of one another. Can we exist in the 3rd dimension while experiencing other dimension?"

Read more here: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/172812-our-universe-is-a-hologram-and-were-floating-inside-of-it-suggests-new-research#comment-1167538277
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