Why is it becoming a thread for casinos refusing paying very huge winnings? - page 4.

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Quote from: livingfree on January 11, 2023, 05:15:33 PM

It's possible that they don't have the money ready and that's why they resort to just reason out that some bugs or glitches has occurred during the spin.

Or they don't just want to pay and doesn't feel that the winner deserves it. You know the management of some casinos are like that, even if the winner is a rightful and genuine winner, they can have that emotion and just have to say some reasons and refuse to pay.

That was a crappy reason to start with.

If you weren't able to read the article, the highest gambling commission also did the investigation and they confirmed that the machine is really faulty.

The mistake of that casino is, they didn't do their due diligence to remove that machine that's why it ended up faulty. The machine has a sort of bug display that's why when the winning ticket is released, the stated amount was only around $2. They should at least face some penalty but the article didn't mention it.

If that casino really intends to do some cheating, didn't they realize that by offering dinner to the women will just make the situation worse? If the casino is guilty, they will just offer a big money to the women to remain silent, but they didn't.

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Quote from: QueenVera on January 11, 2023, 03:18:21 PM

There is actually alot going in with the gambling industry and from my readings if I'm not wrong, it seems this incidence of the winnings took place over a year ago

No. This incident actually took place more than 4 years ago, because their is a YouTube video of over 4yrs old having the record of this very woman. And just as someone earlier said, I guess that amount was too big, and the only way that casino to avoid paying such amount was to come up with a big lie claiming the slot machine had a malfunctioned, which they still yet allowed gamblers using it.

Quote from: lionheart78 on January 11, 2023, 03:06:45 PM

It was stated that the machine malfunctioned

I totally disagree with you on this statement, because take a look at the image below. It wasn't stated that the machine malfunctioned. But rather what was written there was that if the machine was malfunction, then it will void all play and pay, as stated below..

"Must be 18yrs older to play"
"Malfunction voids all pay and play"

But the question now is, why allow users use the slot machine if truly it was malfunctioned? Because for the fact that users were allowed to use it, means they deserves their due rewards

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I am starting to think that casinos mostly are not able to pay such winnings so they sometimes stall for time, or offer something else in return for relinquishing your winnings and your rights to sue the owners of said casino as well (most people tend not to think about that. Once you say yes to their offer, the winnings are lost forever).

People need to stand up and stay tough. No compromises. The best advice anyone can give you is to consult a lawyer who can at least give you a chance to get a much bigger reward, in the end. A lot of people are scared of lawyers and their fees. If you live in a first world country then you can afford lawyer fees or they will be provided to you as a social loan. Interest-free, of course.

In the end, you will get your winnings. (unless you broke casino rules. Like cheating)

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Quote from: capedbaldy on January 12, 2023, 03:09:13 PM

Quote from: SirLancelot on January 12, 2023, 02:08:20 PM

Before calling them a scam, it would be better to know the real story first. In the link that the OP shared, it was actually the woman's fault on why it end up like that. She already been told that the machine is malfunctioning and yet she still continued to play. Other than that, I think there is also a warning/sign around the machine, saying that it is malfunctioning.

I am not sure if the girl didn't notice that or she just insist to play for fun. What happened about her winning millions, isn't unexpected but she thinks she is lucky and she is going to claim it but offered by a dinner instead. The owner is still kind and she must be thankful about it.

That's a different story that I've read in the thread of the previous post, there is no source saying that the machine was broken before the woman used it, if the machine is broken then the gambling machine must not be used or at least put up writing information that the gambling machine is broken, but the machine was broken it was said after someone won a jackpot of $43 million. So how would you respond if you were in that woman's position, would you accept the offer of a free steak dinner for the jackpot prize?

Don't read also from the story that there was a warning sign of malfunction. It was only a day after that they informed the woman that it was.
Because if there was a warning sign before hand, they can easily tell right away to the woman that the machine was faulty.
But it took them a day before they informed her about the status of machine, hence, just giving few bucks for her winnings.
We don't know the truth about the validation of the authority, if they got paid for the confirmation that the machine was faulty.
If the woman believes that she has very good battle and she has money for lawsuit, she can pursue suing the casino.
But if not, just accept what the casino offered. Just be cautious next time when playing inside the casino.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/woman-won-43million-but-was-offered-a-steak-dinner-instead-of-her-winnings-5433888
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

maybe I missed the new thread and the news that was written but it was very sad when the lady's lucky day turned into a bad day because she was tricked by a land casino.
that is a really big amount and if the machine is damaged, there must be a written prohibition not to use the slot machine. the reason I'm against this is because every casino should always check their machines on a regular basis to determine if all Slot machines are not damaged or fit for use. but the statement came out after the woman won $35.4 million.
the casino should make an offer to the woman if unable to pay all the amount won, such as offering $ 1 million or $ 2 million it is already a large number and treats the pain of being cheated.
but in reality the casino will always win, sometimes paying someone to defend and cover up the casino's mistakes.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on January 12, 2023, 02:08:20 PM

Before calling them a scam, it would be better to know the real story first. In the link that the OP shared, it was actually the woman's fault on why it end up like that. She already been told that the machine is malfunctioning and yet she still continued to play. Other than that, I think there is also a warning/sign around the machine, saying that it is malfunctioning.

I am not sure if the girl didn't notice that or she just insist to play for fun. What happened about her winning millions, isn't unexpected but she thinks she is lucky and she is going to claim it but offered by a dinner instead. The owner is still kind and she must be thankful about it.

That's a different story that I've read in the thread of the previous post, there is no source saying that the machine was broken before the woman used it, if the machine is broken then the gambling machine must not be used or at least put up writing information that the gambling machine is broken, but the machine was broken it was said after someone won a jackpot of $43 million. So how would you respond if you were in that woman's position, would you accept the offer of a free steak dinner for the jackpot prize?

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Quote from: SirLancelot on January 12, 2023, 02:08:20 PM

Before calling them a scam, it would be better to know the real story first. In the link that the OP shared, it was actually the woman's fault on why it end up like that. She already been told that the machine is malfunctioning and yet she still continued to play. Other than that, I think there is also a warning/sign around the machine, saying that it is malfunctioning.

I think you should read the post again, when she was playing, she wasn't informed that the machine was faulty, they told her that the machine was faulty after winning and she was discussing about the amount she won before she was told that she Wan just $2.25. How is she at fault? If they informed her before she start playing, then am sure everyone will blame her, but they informed her that the machine is faulty after the win.

Quote from: SirLancelot on January 12, 2023, 02:08:20 PM

I am not sure if the girl didn't notice that or she just insist to play for fun. What happened about her winning millions, isn't unexpected but she thinks she is lucky and she is going to claim it but offered by a dinner instead. The owner is still kind and she must be thankful about it.

What do you mean by the owner is kind? If you gamble and you win, but the casino decided not to pay you your win, and they are offering you a dinner, it means that the casino owner is kind? Do you think they will invite her for dinner if they informed her that the casino was faulty and she keeps on playing?

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This topic and accusations have been frequent over here on the forum and in the gambling lately (over 5 years if I'm not wrong) and I think one of the major reasons why this casinos are getting away after ripping players of their jackpots is the fact that the player might not have enough funds to follow up this cases in a law court and from reading your topic, and the link posted by OP, it seems that the incidence didn't really occur this year and the case was later filed in the court now which implies two things,
* Either there was someone who gave her that idea now and the auloort she needed and the other
* Is the possibility that she wasn't having the money to file for this case as at when it came up and she did it now because it seems now is the right time to do so.
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Casinos have grade or better put, class. If one is to gamble using a casino online or offline, he/she should be able to tell how big they are, the authenticity, verification of users and how they resolve issues as regards to payment after winnings among this and other important factors.
The case of the lady should have been one in which the casino in question has less than it has made the public to believe. I have also heard a report sometime back about how a gambling site, not casino however, couldn't afford to pay the huge winning a bettor won and the way they could resolve it was pay in installments. Although, this was a live betting center, the solution of installments payment upon winning is more better than nothing at all.
Redeeming agencies totally independent of any casino or gambler/bettors influence should be the best resolution, if preventing this current trend of non payment of huge winning by casinos should cease.

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Quote from: mvdheuvel1983 on January 12, 2023, 02:43:15 AM

Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Contrary to popular belief, casinos don't have an endless supply of cash nor do they have vaults filled with millions of dollars like many believe.
Casinos have been designed so that you should lose instead of them. It should be you who suffers financial loss, not them.
To be safe, the majority of them contain a warning that reads, "Malfunctions Void Winning."
And when you sue them, the judge will rule in their favor because it is supported by the law. The gambler suffers two losses.

In a world which belong to hustlers, people have to read every micro and hidden details before depositing their money or placing a bet, because there might be a term and condition somewhere on the machine stating even if you win, you may not receive your prize for any reason presented by the casino. And doesn't matter how dirty the term and condition is, the judge will rule the foolish gambler didn't pay attention to the micro details, so the house is allowed to deny the payment. How convenient for the casino it is! It truly looks like gamblers are being pranked when facing these situations.

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Quote from: Issa56 on January 11, 2023, 07:22:27 PM

Any casino that those not pay their customers any amount they win is definitely a scam casino, no matter how huge the amount is. I believe they decided not to pay the woman because they believe it's a huge amount and they can't afford to lose that amount of money, but if it's the woman that lose that kind of amount, they won't refund the money to her and they won't give her other offers, the money is gone. Why is the casino not ready to lose, they just want to be winning always which is very bad. The funniest part is that they didn't even give her better offer just a steak dinner, that's very annoying.

Before calling them a scam, it would be better to know the real story first. In the link that the OP shared, it was actually the woman's fault on why it end up like that. She already been told that the machine is malfunctioning and yet she still continued to play. Other than that, I think there is also a warning/sign around the machine, saying that it is malfunctioning.

I am not sure if the girl didn't notice that or she just insist to play for fun. What happened about her winning millions, isn't unexpected but she thinks she is lucky and she is going to claim it but offered by a dinner instead. The owner is still kind and she must be thankful about it.

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Quote from: X-ray on January 11, 2023, 08:36:49 PM

It's simply that the sites may have some reasons by refusing to pay that woman. This has become a common problem for sure. That's why people who didn't get paid will always try to blow up the case to make sure that will be pushing the sites to pay what they deserve by winning the big reward.
So many problems happened with the various sites started from that. That's why we must be careful with any of gambling sites. that's a lot of money. The sites must try to pay what they can affort to pay it.
I think that this gonna be a long term problem since the winner will not let the site will not pay him. That's why stay away from the casino that was offering non sense reward. They have high chance to not pay.

Resorts World Casino is not an online site it's a real casino. We will never know whether the slot machine is faulty, but one thing is for sure they are making use of their TOS to avoid paying the woman's jackpot money. If in case the machine is malfunctioning will they be refunding all the money they have earned while the machine is faulty? I guess the story will not be the same. I guess this isn't the first time we've heard such a story where gamblers were denied their winnings for several reasons, such as malfunction, fraudulent acts, or cheating.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/woman-won-43million-but-was-offered-a-steak-dinner-instead-of-her-winnings-5433888
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

First of all, the casino claimed that there was damage to the slot machine. Second, I'm very curious, what slot game does this woman play and how much is the bet per spin. so that the total winnings he gets are very unreasonable for a slot machine. or am I the one who is not up to date so I don't know that there is a slot machine that issues such a big reward.

Imagine, that much money I can use to buy luxury homes and luxury cars in my country. third, is the slot machine game the reward the same as the lottery prize. even then, if you get a jackpot from playing slots, what's strange is whether the reward can really be that big. so it makes sense to me, that the slot machine was damaged.

IMO the mistake of a casino is to ignore a machine that has a breakdown that they are blatantly negligent in their slot machine maintenance. I think the casino should provide something more valuable than just offering dinner at the restaurant. at least, the woman was properly rewarded.

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They might lack enough funds to pay the winner but that should be a reason enough for them to make excuses like what happened to that woman. It isn't justifiable if they will just say that the machine isn't functioning right because, in the first place, they should be responsible to check all of it before they allow gamblers to use their machines.
They should pay accountable for what they did to that woman. Choosing a trusted casino really matters so we can get rid of this scenario.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/woman-won-43million-but-was-offered-a-steak-dinner-instead-of-her-winnings-5433888
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

Do you mean trend, not thread, its a case to case basis no use generalizing its bad for the industry if gamblers have this kind of perception or opinion, its usually because of the violation committed by the users on online casinos it usually because of double account, exploiting a bug but in the case of a player in the article its because of the malfunction of the machine, in that case, I believe the lady deserves his winnings or at least she should be compensated because its emotional agony, knowing that she won because she plays fair but the casino decides that she is not the winner because of the machine malfunction, which is not under her control.

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That's the sad reality. Some casinos are just not really into fairness or equality. The same idea as well exist with the treatment among players;bigger players vs smaller ones wherein the big ones are having a more convenient experience. But going back with the given situation, I also cam across with the mentioned topic; and as I've said, that was just some ugly excuse. If the machine was broken in the first place why did they even llow its operation? just for the players to enjoy? it is money we re talking about, not just some sort of a dumb game. I also believe that was planned such that whenever people would win big time, they'd emphasize the problem to forfeit the winnings. But I still want to know the side of the casino, and I hope that won't be another lame excuse.

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Do staffs doesn't check first the slot machines once they open for the day? I think there are still some theory in here that they might have scammed the woman, it's not impossible if they really can't pay her in the first place. If he indeed won with just payout glitch, then she might be honored on what she could have won on that moment, right? It's a win after all, the glitch was just the winning payout.

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It's either they don't have the money or they have the connection in the government to do these shitty things and they can still get away with it.
Well, they do pay a lot in taxes. Imagine if they will pay millions of dollars in one jackpot winner which could've been in the pocket of those government officials? It's a conspiracy theory but that's all I can think about why these casinos are brave enough to not pay and even if the victim takes it to court they can get away from it.
35 million. If they will pay just half of it and be acquitted then it's worth it.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on January 12, 2023, 02:52:42 AM

We do not have all the information, but we have to understand that gambling occur on digital platforms and that glitches might happen.

Let's take an example : You play a Slot with a Maximum payout of 30 000x and a maximum bet amount of $10.... so the maximum payout should be $300 000 ....but when you win with a glitch, it says $40 000 000 .....so in this case, the casino has a valid reason not to honor the payout, because it is way more than the maximum payout that this Slot can pay.

The as far as I remember, she was playing on special jackpot slot. Also your calculations somehow isnt correct, because if you say that 30 000x is max, but you can get free spins with that 10 bucks bet. I dont believe that a slot machine can glitch. When the slot is created, software is installed and setup is done, it works perfectly. It can only glitch if someone has modified its software imho.

And as to reasons why casinos refuse to pay huge winnings I see only two reasons: casinos greed (shady casinos kick winners out to save business) and lack of funds to pay winning (they just show big jackpot numbers on screens to gain visitors).

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Quote from: bitzizzix on January 12, 2023, 03:37:41 AM

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

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The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

True, women should get more out of dinner, even if the dinner is very lavish, not worth what women get. Because the error lies with the casino, and the casino should notify or attach a written note for information, that the casino machine is damaged or cannot be used.
even if it is actually a big or small win, the user is not to blame and whatever the reason if it is the fault of the casino if it does not want its reputation to be tarnished.

No reputable casino site can do this. If the casino machine was not usable, how could the woman play there? Also, the casino has many web cameras for security purposes, one of which must have been visible. Here the great indifference of the Casino Authority can be observed in a perilous manner. Since the lady won there big amount she should have been given a respectable gift. But in return they invite him for a dinner that no one would ever want to accept.

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