Why is it becoming a thread for casinos refusing paying very huge winnings? - page 5.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on January 12, 2023, 03:37:41 AM

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

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The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

True, women should get more out of dinner, even if the dinner is very lavish, not worth what women get. Because the error lies with the casino, and the casino should notify or attach a written note for information, that the casino machine is damaged or cannot be used.
even if it is actually a big or small win, the user is not to blame and whatever the reason if it is the fault of the casino if it does not want its reputation to be tarnished.

Yea atleast women should get the money the casino can give a prize money to compensate her loss as she won big amount. Because that's was total casino's fault as their slot machine had some issue and its their Duty to cover such damages.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on January 12, 2023, 02:57:37 AM

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These , Yeah you are good in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

If it is a genuine machine malfunction, then I don't think that we can do much about it. Let's take an example where the slot machine malfunctioned and gave a winning of $10 trillion. Is it expected that the casino will still go ahead and transfer the amount to the winner? There is a maximum amount that can be won with these machines. If the machine malfunctions and rewards someone with an amount higher than this threshold, then the casino can't be held responsible. Because the gambler purchased the ticket perfectly understanding that the maximum possible winning can be up to a particular threshold.

If this is the case then the casino management should inform the players at that time and explain the matter in detail so that to avoid any misunderstanding and choas at the end.
Recently read a story about women who won huge amount and the casino called her next day to get the price money but next day they refused to pay and stuff so these things should be avoided and taken care off.

Provably they release some word about this issue to the public but I bet many people believe about what statement they release since its a unacceptable reason and the winner should be credited on her winnings because he just bet without using any abusive method.

Those reasons are just excuse because they don't want to pay the winner.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

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The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

True, women should get more out of dinner, even if the dinner is very lavish, not worth what women get. Because the error lies with the casino, and the casino should notify or attach a written note for information, that the casino machine is damaged or cannot be used.
even if it is actually a big or small win, the user is not to blame and whatever the reason if it is the fault of the casino if it does not want its reputation to be tarnished.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

She won only $2.25, not £35.4m according to the New York State Gaming Commission.

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The New York State Gaming Commission said Bookman’s machine had malfunctioned, and that she'd actually won just $2.25 (£1.86).

Despite all of that, I think she deserved more than dinner. The casino owners should have at least given her a few thousand dollars because after all the fault was from their side.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2023, 02:43:53 AM

Quote from: Reatim on January 12, 2023, 12:59:15 AM

These , Yeah you are good in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

If it is a genuine machine malfunction, then I don't think that we can do much about it. Let's take an example where the slot machine malfunctioned and gave a winning of $10 trillion. Is it expected that the casino will still go ahead and transfer the amount to the winner? There is a maximum amount that can be won with these machines. If the machine malfunctions and rewards someone with an amount higher than this threshold, then the casino can't be held responsible. Because the gambler purchased the ticket perfectly understanding that the maximum possible winning can be up to a particular threshold.

If this is the case then the casino management should inform the players at that time and explain the matter in detail so that to avoid any misunderstanding and choas at the end.
Recently read a story about women who won huge amount and the casino called her next day to get the price money but next day they refused to pay and stuff so these things should be avoided and taken care off.

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We do not have all the information, but we have to understand that gambling occur on digital platforms and that glitches might happen.

Let's take an example : You play a Slot with a Maximum payout of 30 000x and a maximum bet amount of $10.... so the maximum payout should be $300 000 ....but when you win with a glitch, it says $40 000 000 .....so in this case, the casino has a valid reason not to honor the payout, because it is way more than the maximum payout that this Slot can pay.

So some casinos are just looking for a reason not to pay.... and that is sad. (Mostly using the KYC or ToS to their advantage) Roll Eyes

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Have just read the thread recently and found out that it happens years ago but it looks like the casino's claim are legit that it is a malfunction from that machine , because I'm not sure that there will ever be a jackpot high as that ? 43 million dollars and I'm sure many gamblers here will support that one .
does anyone of us have seen big as that winning slot?

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Quote from: Reatim on January 12, 2023, 12:59:15 AM

These , Yeah you are good in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

If it is a genuine machine malfunction, then I don't think that we can do much about it. Let's take an example where the slot machine malfunctioned and gave a winning of $10 trillion. Is it expected that the casino will still go ahead and transfer the amount to the winner? There is a maximum amount that can be won with these machines. If the machine malfunctions and rewards someone with an amount higher than this threshold, then the casino can't be held responsible. Because the gambler purchased the ticket perfectly understanding that the maximum possible winning can be up to a particular threshold.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Contrary to popular belief, casinos don't have an endless supply of cash nor do they have vaults filled with millions of dollars like many believe.
Casinos have been designed so that you should lose instead of them. It should be you who suffers financial loss, not them.
To be safe, the majority of them contain a warning that reads, "Malfunctions Void Winning."
And when you sue them, the judge will rule in their favor because it is supported by the law. The gambler suffers two losses.

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Quote from: nullama on January 11, 2023, 05:40:39 PM

You're standing in front of a machine, it won't pay, someone comes over and says it was malfunctioning.

I don't know what you could do in those situations really.

This kinda defeats the whole point of gambling, unless the main point is really just something else and the big wins are just a distraction...

The whole point of gambling is the casino to make money, not the gambler. Grin

If you think that the whole point of gambling is the gamblers to actually make money, you are simply wrong.
Gambling is supposed to be a fun form of escapism, a bad habit that boosts the dopamine and adrenaline levels in your brain.
This isn't a way to make easy money.
Casinos refusing to pay big jackpots is basically the same as insurance companies refusing to pay big compensations when an insurance event occurs. The people, who are expecting to get their money will have sue both the casinos and the insurance companies.

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The error of the woman was to agree to go away without signing a deal,a notary deal with the casino before moving out and coming back tomorrow.She gave enough time to the technical department of the casino to come up with whatever argument needed in order to not pay the woman,in the end it was the woman error as she believed the casino.

They say trust but verify and this was not the case here,I know it should not be the case and once you win any amount the casino should immediately pay you if you have not cheated but I think this to be an isolated case and huge casinos in Las Vegas really pay whatever amount,just remember the couple who played there for 40 years and when they were old,they won 75 million dollars paid in full by the casino.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

do you mean trend? the difference between this and casinos that blatantly refuse to pay winnings is that the machine in that thread actually suffered a malfunction/glitch(according to the gambling commission that checked the machine). that being said, casinos should still be held accountable for the lack of maintenance that they are doing to their machine. anyway, I am saying this again, I am glad that the lady in that thread filed a lawsuit again against the casino and actually(hopefully since it mentioned that the case was settled out of court) something.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/woman-won-43million-but-was-offered-a-steak-dinner-instead-of-her-winnings-5433888
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

It is possible that the casino does not want to pay because the amount is quite large and the casino feels at a loss because there are visitors who can win money with this large amount.
However, casino owners and managers do not think long beforehand that the impact of what they have done can damage their reputation and lose the trust of visitors to continue playing at the casino and greatly affect the continuity of the casino business that they have started and developed which can be destroyed.
So it would be even better if we want to play or bet to choose a casino that can be relied upon and truly trusted. Don't let incidents like this happen again if the number of winning numbers is greater.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Before you play with any casino, even offline Casino's, verify their reputation in paying out huge amounts to customers who won. A way to do that, is to get into a conversation with a customer there to know if they are regular customers who have been visiting longer than you have to know if they have ever heard of any case of the casino trying to avoid payment, It is possible to find these kind of people. There are still very good casinos that are not afraid of paying out huge winnings.

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It's a human nature, how would someone need to pay huge money if there's a choice to avoid it? casino is a profit oriented business of course they will try to use any way in order to reduce the operational cost to maximize their profit. The problem is the license and the government are either weak or get bribed, so the gambler is lose on the court, while actually the gambler isn't done any fault.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2023, 12:11:28 AM

There are two different things here. Let me explain:

1. Casinos refusing to honor legitimate winnings
2. Casinos refusing the winning, as it resulted from machine malfunction

These , Yeah you are good in explaining those sides because people are solely interesting on how they claim this as scam while there are 2 sides to check on that matter because I have seen huge winning in Slot machine over the year but the problem is that in this? the involve amount is even higher than those lottery jackpot.

Quote from: traderethereum on January 11, 2023, 10:10:08 PM

Maybe the casino doesn't have the money to pay the winners so they refuse and instead say the machine is broken and other reasons.
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that is a MAYBE , but what about the truth ? for me it is high believe that malfunctioned than it is a scam.

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Quote from: libert19 on January 11, 2023, 08:38:59 PM

I don't think it's becoming trend, it's just that when some casino don't pay — other casinos are also assumed to be same, assumptions are ofc far from truth.

I think Op is not assuming that every casino does not or no longer pays, but my assumptions is that he started this thread based on the fact that there have been several posts on this board about casinos that have refused to pay their winners of late.

And as we all know, bad news travels faster than good news, infact, most of the time, good news are not even considered as news as people tend to feel "its a normal thing, why should even be a news", but bad news travels fast as people most of the time affects readers positively or negatively in terms of emotion.

As we know, people gamble everyday, and many people win alot of money around the world, all this moneys are paid, its no news, but the moment any casino refuses to settle a winning due some issue, it becomes news instantly.

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There are two different things here. Let me explain:

1. Casinos refusing to honor legitimate winnings
2. Casinos refusing the winning, as it resulted from machine malfunction

In the first case, the courts would probably side with the winner, although recovering the amount is going to be a lengthy and tedious process. In the second case, legally the winner is not entitled to the reward. The win resulted from a machine malfunction and therefore it was invalidated. In short, the "winner" didn't win the reward and even if he goes to the court he may not get anything in the end.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/woman-won-43million-but-was-offered-a-steak-dinner-instead-of-her-winnings-5433888
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

You could have continued the same thread instead of making a new one for the same.
What my concern is that how can a casino allow an amount as jackpot which they cant even afford ?
This raises my suspicion that the slot machine might actually be malfunctioned in which case the casino should pay a decent enough amount to the woman.
But they just offered a steak dinner which is lame.

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Quote from: Obari on January 11, 2023, 02:46:12 PM

I came across a topic recently now on this very thread about a casino refusing to pay a woman ber jackpot winnings of over £35.4m and if you'll agree me that, this isn't a little sum of money to just ignore.

What got me worried isn't just the winning but why are casinos getting away without paying players their exactly winnings with some shitty excuses ?

Link to the post of the woman's winnings below
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/woman-won-43million-but-was-offered-a-steak-dinner-instead-of-her-winnings-5433888
Please I really want to understand this question and will be glad to hear from people

You mean tren? It's not a trend for casinos to not pay their winners. Only shitty casinos with bad reputation and those that have ill intention tries to deny payments to their players. You hear more about those not getting paid, because the winners (and those who won big) never actually announces that they have won huge.

Sad that the woman who thought she won the jackpot ended up getting nothing. Since they are claiming the slot machine was malfunctioning, they should refund each and every bets that has been lost in the slot, at least pay her the max win!

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