Topic: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. - page 4. (Read 1470 times)

What are the plans of Russia?
Why is this war? has Russia achieved what they wanted to achieve? If yes -then there is no need to put bombs on innocent civilians. The war is not the solution - it has to stop no matter what.

I think the short answer would be that Ukraine is too close to Russia for Russia to even consider using it's most deadly weapons on them.  Sure, Russia could nuke Ukraine off the planet, but it would certainly have side effects for their own home as radiation would surely have side effects on their citizens.  Not to mention they would absolutely destroy the land they're trying to take.  It would make no sense whatsoever.  This isn't even touching on the response from other countries. 

Already so much damage is made and so much trouble has been done.
Still people want Russia to impose more power on Ukraine. War needs to be stopped whatsoever is the case. There is no justification for the war.

Russia broke international law by invading Donbas and Crimea in 2014.  Since then they have committed genocide against the Ukrainian people.

Since Feb 24, 2022, they intensified their genocidal actions.

The whole world will stop them. First in Ukraine, then in Russia, and all Russian-occupied territories since the 1500s.

Free Caucasus, Komi, Yakutia, and other non-Russian territories!!!

I would definitely consider the attack on Ukraine killing Ukrainian civilians as "not helping". I know that there are Russian trolls and bots online, and I agree that you should be saying that in order to get paid and that is why I understand and that makes sense.

However, the reality is not what you claim to be, it is different and it is not the reality. The reality is that Russia is killing innocent people who had nothing to do with the politics, that is the issue. If there is something Russia hated, then deal with them, deal with people made the decisions, killing innocent Ukrainian’s is not the answer nor would give some response or result to you.

It is nature's law that one who takes birth has to die according to God will. But today life seems to be in hand of war lords. Who are trading deaths everywhere. No One know how many dreadful deaths we have to see in the days to come. May we all witness the dawn of peace. 

Topic moved to another section? Then I will answer.

The links in the OSCE reports also contain a link to the full version of the PDF with a map showing the places where the ceasefire was violated. From these maps, you can easily understand which side violated the ceasefire.

Perhaps this was not important until February 22, when Putin signed the Laws on the ratification of treaties on friendship, cooperation and partnership between the Russian Federation and the republics of the DPR and LPR. However:

February 22, 2022
332 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 703 violations of the ceasefire, 1224 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1224 population of the ceasefire // Report No. 41/2022, OSCE

February 23, 2022
345 explosions in the territory of the DPR, 528 ceasefire violations, 1075 explosions in the territory of the LPR, 1182 ceasefire violations // Report No. 42/2022, OSCE

Simply put, Ukraine shelled Donetsk from Grad February 22, 2022. Even if the direct double casus belli that I mentioned above is not enough for you, this is an indirect casus belli, when Ukraine attacked independent states that have an agreement on friendship and military protection with Russia. Russia regards such an attack as an attack on itself. Russia immediately responded to such a manifestation of military aggression from Ukraine by launching a military special operation.

Since February 21, the war in Donbas has ceased to be an internal affair of Ukraine, and since February 22, it has become a matter for Russia as well.

Has it? The autonomous Donetsk and Luhansk have declared themselves and are only recognized by Russia as autonomous states. In reality, they're simply two Ukrainian occupied territories. How is Russia not the aggressor, under "international law"?

That's my main concern, no one believed that the war would last that long, but it looks that it's not bound to end anytime soon. As you've already mentioned, the war is likely to last till the end of the year, causing excessive oil prices and severely increased inflation rates.

The Russia Ukraine war is very hard to analyse because we only get one sided information here. On TV we only see Russian losses, all Ukrainian casualties are being not disclosed. It makes it hard to get an objective picture from the war. What we do know is that Putin tried a blitzkrieg and overthrow the government in Kiev quickly. That didn't work because of some wrong Intel or it was just a high risk, high reward strategy. The Ukrainian army is bigger than the number of Russian troops in Ukraine, but Putin can use his forces much more concentrated than the Ukrainian. He is choosing which area to attack, while Ukraine needs to defend the whole country. The big issue for how many troops to be used in Ukraine is the logistic. Already with the current amount of troops Russia is having problems supplying all the front line battalions. It must be very frustrating to leave behind armor because of the lack of fuel. Now it's a war of attrition and Russia will need to access its vast supply of old weapons, while Ukraine is being supplied by Western countries.

Be sure to add "real facts" about the crucified boy in panties, about the US chemical and bacteriological laboratories, about the grandmother raped with polyurethane foam (I apologize to the public - but this was also presented as a "fact"), and many other fairy tales so beloved by Russian listeners and bullshit

Yes, and add to your list, in chronological order, entries.
02/24/2014 - the entry of Russian troops into the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the seizure of administrative buildings, the ban on the work of legitimate power.
April 2014 - the entry of regular military units of Russia into the territory of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine, the seizure of administrative buildings, the cessation of the work of legitimate power. Formation of a puppet government. Expansion of the occupied territories.

Now the list will be correct, and a semantic load will appear in it

PS Well, and most importantly-there are no DNI and LC. These are the letters that indicate part of the Ukrainian lands occupied by Russia. Write right away that it was on the back of the moon, it will look more like the truth

Russian is a big state no doubt - But what is coming up after the sanctions and boycotts. I am too curious to know.
The bans and sanctions on Russia - and now the time when the EU has to get oil and gas from Russia - its really important how it will unfold.

Most people think Russia bad USA good or USA bad Russia good.

Truth is they are both scumbag countries that conspire to hurt regular people in the World.

You can add a lot more countries to that list.

China
England and many more.

All the "power" of the Russian army turned out to be a fake and a total lie! The second most powerful army in the world has already strategically lost the war, an army that few even heard of "yesterday"! I will not list all their pathos statements about the capture of Ukraine as a cakewalk. I'll just say:
- 2-3 weeks to capture the whole of Ukraine has stretched for almost 90 days, and global losses have "the second most powerful army in the world." Losses of manpower and equipment already exceed the armies of many countries of the world!
- and most importantly - we are not "fraternal peoples" at all. We have nothing to do with them. And never will again!
Well, for visualization - below is a map of Ukraine, as of May 16, 2022.
Yellow and pink colors are the territories that were occupied in the first month. Yellow color is the territories that the Ukrainian army has liberated today, having defeated and driven away the Russian army. This actually happened in April. We must also understand - with a significant superiority (quantitative, but not qualitative) of the forces of the Russian terrorist troops.
Pink color is the temporarily occupied territories by Russian troops. As you noticed, more than half of the previously occupied areas have been freed from Russian terrorists. This is how "the second most powerful army in the world" looks like!

No, it's not. The same "standard" is applicable to other murderous dictators as well.

I personally observed what remains of "a tank that has no analogues, and a tank that the West will not be able to create soon!" after hitting them Javelin/NLOW
I personally saw what a tank that came under fire from an RPG of the previous generation looks like. If there was no hit in critical areas, the tank lives long enough, and it will have marks from the hit, but it will be more or less intact. Yes, I saw how the process of tank death looks like, when the shaped charge burns through the armor, and the tank ammunition explodes. Pillars of fire, from all openings, primarily through the hatches and gun barrel. But to achieve this was quite difficult. And in the conditions of "battle in the field" it is extremely difficult.

But a tank that, after the first hit, turns into a mega firework, and launches its tower up to 20 meters - I have never seen this! Even if you weld a "unparalleled" lattice on the tower

Yes, and most importantly. The Russian army is a projection of the USSR army. At the same time, almost nothing has changed in it. The same stupid generals, the same orders "by this date, take this object at any cost" and ... YES, tank columns, as the main means of gaining superiority. It worked, in the days of primitive means of combating armored vehicles and tanks specifically. But after the advent of Javelins / NLOWs and the like, Russian tanks became mobile crematorium graves for their tankers.

Had they be so concerned about their brother - they should not have attacked their brother at the first place.
Russia should have not initiated this war. Pakistan too have paid a hefty for visiting Russia before war.

In my opinion, the reason Russia is not using its full power against Russia is because Russia is aware that they are fighting against their brothers, so until now Russia has not used fighter jets to attack Ukraine, actually Russia only wants to fight America's allies who want to make Ukraine a scapegoat. If they really want to use their full power, it is certain that Ukraine is powerless.

A clear case of double standards.

I believe Russia has done enough damage to the Ukraine - While Ukraine wanted to have ceasefire they were continuously killing and make people starve for food. They took away food and utensils of the survivors in Ukraine so that they die of hunger. Such a pity! War lord have no mercy!

Putin has done the entire world a great favor.

He has clearly shown us that $ 750,000 dollar tanks are no match for $50,000 remote launched missile setups.

So all countries know that tanks are a waste to build.

Next he has shown us that ships must stay much further from the shore to be safe. $50,000,000 ships can be sunk by $150,000 setups remotely operated.

Lastly he has really helped the gaming industry since the best gamers will be in demand to remotely operate the missles and drones to attack all those out of date techs.

What is also cool 😎 is Putins invasion has shown the entire world that jamming remote device control should be everyones top priority.

I never would have thought the all those tanks were basically a waste of men space and money.

Thanks to Putin we all have learned that tanks are next to worthless. Actually they are a liability to a country and their army .

Now do we want Putin to win do we want Putin to lose do we want Putin to die.

Obviously you can take your pick on that. Some will root for Russia 🇷🇺 some will root for Ukraine 🇺🇦 very few will point out that USA and nato along with Putin and Russia are simply using the Ukraine to jack up oil inflation basically running inflation up 🆙 up ⬆️ and away.

My prediction is this action goes on and on and on and on and on for all of May,June,July,August,Sept, even Oct by then gas will be nuts diesel will be over the moon and the oil barons of the world will be smiling bigly.

So my answer to the op question is Putin/Biden is doing exactly this and will do this for months to come while we all suffer the inflation it causes.

Putin also knows if he streches this out till the fall the USA 🇺🇸 will become more rightwing trumpish which he personally favors of leftwing bidenish.

To us all hope for the world maybe a Putin stroke followed by a Biden heart ♥️ attack.