Topic: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. - page 6. (Read 1470 times)

Nothing in the link you provided supports your ludicrous claims. However a ceasefire would be great for everyone. Unfortunately the deluded clown in charge of Russia doesn't care about little things like people dying or the economy being flushed down the toilet.


Kinzhal is an ALBM version of Iskander, it doesn't cost anywhere near $100 million.

Ah, that's why the US are begging for an immediate ceasefire. This certainly has nothing to do with the Western military advisers who have now crawled out of Mariupol's steelworks, at all  

Russia is under sanctions and has many attacks on its financial sectors and economy.

To counteract these pressures, Putin is waging war on a budget.

--Conscripts rather than military professionals are deployed in ukraine due to their salaries being considerably smaller
--Tanks which cost around $1.2 million are deployed rather than jet fighters which cost $100 million
--Russian ground forces have no air support as maintenance, ordnance and upkeep of an air force is much more expensive than on tanks and surface vehicles

The only exception to russia's extreme cost savings measures are their alleged launching of hypersonic missiles which cost $100 million each.

The upside to deploying hypersonic missiles is their technology is new and the data which can be gathered through real world application to refine and perfect the technology is worth more than the missiles themselves.

Who says they do not? I mean just because we are not seeing them attacking with every single weapon and every single soldier, doesn't mean that they are not attacking with all they have. The nuance there is the fact that they haveo ther places taht they need to put soldiers in other places. Which means that, not every single listed soldier could end up attacking Ukraine, some will be stationed somewhere else. Plus when you are attacking a nation, you can't just send all of your missiles all at once on day one. You need to spread them around in case it prolonges which it does. So basically Russia is attacking with the optimum amount they could, and this is basically all they could do.

They got most of it in the first couple of weeks. They gave up a lot of territory in the north after taking it initially. It's been a stalemate at best for the last two months. Considering Russian losses and Ukrainian weapons supply, this is not looking good for Putin.


UN won't do shit. Russians can exit any time. The sooner the better for everyone.

Regardless of who is wining or losing in this war, its impact is felt by the whole world. The country where I am living now is at verge of economics collapse because of this war. I am not following this war but one thing is very clear that Russia is struck there and they need a safe exit, may be U.N can jump in to end this war.

Somewhat agree with the cannon fodder part. Thousands (if not tens of thousands) of Russian soldiers have died (not including thousands of casualties from DNR/LNR militia and from PMC Wagner). And most of the deaths are from impoverished Russian provinces such as Buryatia, Tuva, Daghestan and Ossetia. I hardly heard about any military deaths from Moscow or Samara or Nizhny Novgorod. But then, they have also managed to seize a huge tract of territory in South and East Ukraine (in addition to what they seized in 2014).

Seems like a very acute case of projection. Flip "Ukraine" for "Russia" and it's about right. Russian forces have no backup plan, and their main "strategy" of sending waves of cannon fodder is failing miserably.

All your accusations are essentially groundless, and the evidence is fabricated by Ukrainian propaganda, for which lying is the only activity available. It is doubly funny that today the mass surrender of the Nazis of Azov in Mariupol and all of them will be interrogated in the DPR for war crimes. In conjunction with a package of accusations of the activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine, where experiments were performed on patients in a mental hospital near Kharkov, etc. I think this will pull on the Nuremberg trials two, which will be initiated by Russia following the results of a special operation. Ukraine is bankrupt and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon be defeated in the Donbass. Even individual tactical successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not change its overall losing strategy and the situation since the end of February. The soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the eastern front are already tired, demoralized, deprived of rotation and the ability to maneuver.

Quit lying for Putin, he doesn't love you anyway. Of course Russians wanted to take Kyiv and close the "kettle" along Dnipro. Didn't work out, nor did any of the reduced plans of encirclement.


"Single tank is not essential" but they already lost 1000+, is that "essential"? Didn't make any huge breakthroughs either. Damn Ukrainians are not fighting the way it would be convenient for Russians, how shocking.

Indeed, so - as already explained by others - Ukrainians are the Russian brothers and therefore it is comprehensible why the Russians did not attack infrastructure which is essential for the Ukranians like power plants or communication systems. In fact, they directly attacked the cities when the Ukrainians retreated within those (and therefore, at least partly, provoked civile casualties - especially when hiding in hospitals and schools) and one could argue that this guerilla tactic was the only defence option left for the Ukrainians. For Kiev it was to bind Ukrainian troops from defending the southeastern region. It was never about conquering Kiev.

For those who wonder why there seem so many vehicles lost by the Russians - they have a completely different tank strategy: the Western strategy relies on high-tech as-long-as-possible-operationable tanks while the Eastern strategy relies on the whole formation where a single tank is not essential and losses (vehicles and soldiers) are part of the strategy of mass formation attacks with cheap equipment in order to be able to make huge breakthroughs with it (background: formidable battle formations against NATO). In contrast, they are not suitable for operations with guerrilla tactics.

Mariupol - more than 30,000 civilians killed. And there has not yet been an investigation into the cause of death. I am sure that when they are carried out, the Nazi sadists, against the background of their heirs of the Rashists, will seem like petty hooligans ...
Irpin and Bucha - hundreds of civilians killed (these are small towns near Kyiv). Killed in a sadistic way, hands tied behind their backs, usually shot in the back of the head. I saw this personally, in the first days after the liberation of Irpin ...
In basements and other "secluded places" - a lot of corpses with terrible signs of torture. This is all recorded, and all those responsible will be punished, if not by international courts, then by alternative means.
Arrivals of rockets in RESIDENTIAL houses ...

Doesn't it seem to you a strange method of achieving sympathy?
Well, about Kherson and the Kherson region - I understand that the concept of any supporter of the Russian world is to lie, everywhere, always, and cynically, but not in the same stupid way ?! In Kherson, they already tried to bring bio-garbage from the DPR / LPR, which were supposed to create the appearance of crowds of local residents and hold another fake referendum. We know perfectly well that the Kremlin parody of Hitler will try to repeat this clowning and proclaim new "republics", but we all know that not a single normal person, in normal mental health, would agree to become part of Russia and live in Russia - this is a terrible punishment, and for life


And about the "liberators" - tell me, whom is Russia freeing in Ukraine? There is no need for Russian speakers - I myself am an ethnic Russian, Russian speaker, and I have never seen any harassment in Ukraine! But the sadism of the Russians-I saw. So who are they freeing here and from whom?

Russia want to control the Ukraine with some manner. Some they refuse to come out from their. Russia was became a blood cancer to the Ukraine now, the rest of the nation should have his hand for the solve of the issue. It was keep thinking by the UN Security Council. NATO had a power to do this unique war, but they was thought. It may leads to the world war for the time concern.

But what is the signal or major reason to stop Putin about this war? I have the feeling that he won't stop as when his health rumors came to light, I feel that he is being suicidal here. No matter what the world will remember him, good or bad, as long as he is part of the history books, that's fine for him. So I don't know who can change his mind now. Maybe, he will continue to send troops up until he died of his "sickness" as media is suggesting he has blood cancer.

What do you think of Russian government?
Do you think that Russia ca not send ballistic missiles to Kiev in a twinkle of an eye and everywhere will become deserted?
Putin has the power and forces to invade Ukraine successfully but he underated Ukraine capability.
The world is already against Russia government so there will be no need to going too far when Kiev can not be suppressed for long.
We don't need to compare whose is the most powerful here but to condemn the act of violence against human right.

You can report the thread or the posts to moderators if you think this is the wrong board, but it's quite telling that after all your "arguments" have been debunked you're now resorting to personal attacks and insinuations about my posts. There is nothing "nazi" about challenging and disproving your lies. We've done this in the "political section" for weeks.  

tl;dr: Russia's "full force" is on display and the only thing it can do with any degree of "success" is to kill unarmed civilians and loot their homes. When met with proper resistance, Russians run like they did near Kyiv and Kharkiv.

Are you paid for posts in this section in your bounty campaign? Let's move to the political section where you don't get paid to post, I don't want you to make money broadcasting your Nazi shit here. Moreover, the topic is clearly political and has nothing to do with economics. I hope for your understanding.

No one was shooting at civilians in Kherson until Russians came and started it: https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/21/kherson-ukraine-explosion-gunfire-newsroom-berman-vpx.cnn


Yes, invaders trying to turn the power on for their HQ and setting apartments on fire: https://t.me/andriyshTime/892

Pyccкий миp.

It seems that ordinary peaceful people, not affected by the virus of radical nationalism, absolutely do not care what flag they live under, as long as they are not shot at. Russians do not shoot at civilians, Ukrainians shoot, I think their choice is obvious. But there will still be a referendum.

The peaceful life is being actively restored in the city, including electricity and water supply. Soon we will see who and what was hiding in the bunkers near Azovstal and who you are so actively protecting here. The underground thousand changed their minds about dying for the glory of the Fourth Reich.
 

Russian "liberation" in all its beauty. They already know the will of the people, who lived peacefully just a few months ago and didn't have any intent "to join Russia", but now they suddenly do.


Right, nearly every building in Mariupol decided to just randomly catch fire or otherwise destroy itself, like the infamous underwater missile cruiser.