Topic: Why Russia isn't using it's full force in Ukraine ? tactically .. - page 8. (Read 1470 times)

Russia has done so much damage to Ukraine already. They have taken away the leftover food and utensils of people of Ukraine.
That is so sad and that is so disturbing. I think Russia should stop now and they should focus of rebuilding themselves and new drama of rehabilitation will start. OH I am so tired of these superpower dule faces.

Not quite right. The Kremlin made a bet during the attack on Ukraine on February 24 precisely on a massive offensive in order to shock the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the number of troops and equipment. The calculation was also on lightning speed. Putin expected to seize the territory of Ukraine in a few days. Therefore, the invaders had dry rations for only three days, and there was practically no rear escort. Already when the Russian army was bogged down in the war in Ukraine and began to experience problems with food, an instruction was received from the Kremlin to switch to self-sufficiency, that is, the troops were allowed to rob shops and the civilian population, which they did.

Almost the entire Russian army is now fighting on the territory of Ukraine. They have already gathered troops from almost all of Russia, including the Far East, and now they are even withdrawing their troops from Syria, as well as sending sailors from the Northern Fleet. Everything that is possible is already being raked out, because almost half of the Russian army has already been killed or wounded. In terms of the amount of destroyed military equipment, the circumstances here are even worse. Russia is already equipping new recruits with the 1891 Mosin rifles that were used in World War I a century ago.
Therefore, I do not think that Russia is at war with Ukraine not at full strength. It's just that the professionalism and spirit of the Russian army is much lower than that of the Ukrainian one. This explains the military defeat of Russia in Ukraine.

Being a neutral party to this conflict, I would say that the performance from the Russian armed forces have been below par so far. Even with much superior equipment and manpower ratio, they have suffered huge losses and failed to maintain the initial momentum. On the other hand, the poorly equipped rebel forces (those of the rebel territories of DNR and LNR) have made significant gains on ground, even with 19th century equipment in their hand. During the last two months or so, almost all the territorial gains for the Russian side were achieved in areas where the DNR/LNR militias did the fighting (Oblasts of Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as Eastern part of Kharkiv). Ukrainian forces have advanced in areas where the proper Russian troops were deployed (Oblasts of Kherson, Zaporizhia, Mykolayiv and Northern part of Kharkiv).

You might be right on firepower of a large nation like Russia but to guess their tactics is probably giving too much credit.   They pulled back because of so many losses while counting any success, war is ultimately destructive and a horrible loss for both sides this is always true.
  They destroyed buildings and its a civilian city, I think their fight is not well chosen or directed for winning anything tactically in effective advancement of the war or possession of this country; I would not want to advise them on any better course of action as the whole endeavor is an appalling waste of time and life for those paying the cost.

If no capitulation it will be a long long war.
Long wars are never good ... means Ukrainians will starve,also Russians and at the end when they realize there is no hope some idiot will push the button do to fact there is no more balance of powers...

With all that territory Russia still wants more territory ... incredible how greedy this people are.

Here is also a secret: we take absolute nothing with us when we die and the observable universe is so big that it it may be infinite and after that there is a non-observable universe even bigger and after that there is a multiverse that is said to have a infinite number of universes ... 21 century and people are still fighting for peanuts ... oh brother we are so stup...id

Chronology of the statements of the Kremlin leaders:

February 22: the army of Ukraine will not be able to show any noticeable resistance to the units of the RF Armed Forces!
February 24: Kyiv will be captured in 2-3 days!
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May 14: Ambassador to Washington: Russia firmly tells US that there will be no capitulation of Moscow in Ukraine

That's all I wanted to say

I think i figure it out ...what russians are trying to do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gf3g8jfZ6E

They are trying to starve Ukraine to death ...

Definitely, Russians are not Americans. Russians where the ones who killed millions of Ukrainians by starvation, this genocide is known as Holodomor, google it if you want to know in detail.

I believe Pro-Russian people here will tell you: what adult goes full force when fighting mere children.
I think it's safe to say that the military capabilities of Russia aren't as great as it was advertised during the years. The government of Russia lies all the time.
Also, during the invasion of Georgia & Crimea, the West was only expressing their astonished feelings without actions. I think that Russia thought they would act as they did before, they would fulfill their goals and then everything would continue as if nothing happened. Now, the west supports Ukraine, giving them money and weapons. Idk if Russia really has full force somewhere hidden but if they have, it won't be wise to go full force because the world is watching, everyone is watching and it's definitely a red alarm for them, the world won't ignore full force bombing and war from Russia towards Ukrainians. Ukraine did nothing against Russia, they are just punished because they want a better future instead of Russia and their Soviet Union ambitions.

And what "all the power of Russia" are you talking about? I will now digress a little - we have a desire to erect in Ukraine a monument to Russian corruption and the habit of lying. Honestly !

I'll start from afar: can you name at least one military operation of modern Russia (this is over the past 30 years), where would it have a confrontation with an enemy commensurate in strength? Do you understand why I'm asking this?

Now about the monument to corruption and total lies. Thanks to this, we were able to show the whole world what really is what was presented to the whole world as "unparalleled weapons and technologies that will not be available to the West and other countries for many years to come." Planes allegedly of the 5th generation, which are shot down by the ancient Needle. "Invincible tanks" of which we already have about 1200 burned and torn into spare parts lying around (thanks to Javelin and NLOW). About the tanks, I also want to convey a huge thank you to those idiot designers who welded gratings to the tanks and assured the crews that now they are not afraid of Javelin! Maybe the S-300 or S-400 turned out to be excellent air defense systems? The cruiser Moskva was sunk by only two Ukrainian-designed Neptune missiles, but the air defense in the Crimea and on board this cruiser did not notice anything! You can still list the fakes that fed the world for decades, passing off imperfections as advanced weapons. The only thing that is a real problem so far is a huge amount of manpower. Which is collected from all over Russia, just to satisfy the perverted, morbid fantasies of their Fuhrer. Statistics of the destroyed resources of Russia, by the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Territorial Defense and volunteer battalions, on the territory of Ukraine:
1. Manpower ~27000 killed
2. Armored vehicles, destroyed ~ 2900
3. Tanks, destroyed ~ 1200
4. Artillery systems, destroyed ~ 550
5. Aircraft destroyed ~ 200
6. Helicopters, destroyed ~ 160
7. Ships and boats, 13 destroyed

This is reality. This is what happens with the army, when money is stolen, and fairy tales are told to the commander in chief, and instead of real developments, cartoons are shown ...

PS By the way - Kyiv has never been captured by Russian troops! There was an unsuccessful encirclement attempt, and there were several breakthroughs by unorganized groups (including tanks, armored personnel carriers, armored personnel carriers, and manpower) in several areas of the city. I personally observed this in Kyiv, Obolon district. But all attempts to enter the city ended sadly for the terrorists. By the end of the second week from the beginning of the terrorist attack on Ukraine, all such attempts ended and were not repeated.

No one knows why russia is not using full force. Most replies here are possibilities that it's the reason why. It could be that they don't want ukraine to be seen being destroyed after a full force attack that make russia have bad name more than it is today or they wanted to stop as it may ignite a WW3 or russia doesn't want to use full force as they might get attack by another country then that means they will be vulnerable during an attack. You know what I mean that Russia only knows why. If you don't want to believe me then you can ask russia of that question. One more thing, it seems you want ukraine to be destroyed by russia and my opinion is a mind like that is not normal.

I think Russia doesn't wants devastation, they know war has already given them a bad name, they just want to pressurise Ukraine as much as possible create this into a sort of seige and keep this holding until Ukraine decides to surrender the regions peacefully to Russia. Nukes are obviously out of picture so I am not considering that in the force that Russia has. Russia wants to play this war not only in the battlefield but also in the arena of democracy.

this i believe is true because they speak same language. i have been watching history of the two countries including neighboring countries are also speaking the same language.

speculating what they are doing is that they want the Ukrainians to unite with Russia. unfortunately its not happening so far. if they bomb Ukraine really hard, they can do it and kill all but that wouldn't look good at all not just to the Ukrainians but to the world watching this war unfold, also there are Russians who has relatives in Ukraine.

Why would USA attack Russia with nukes ,if Russia attacks Ukraine with nukes ? Ukraine is not even a member of NATO... Why should NATO ( i am also part of NATO ) start a nuclear war with Russia for Ukraine ?

Seems to irrational whats going on ...and that is what scares me.

No one really knows to be honest. My theory is that they are afraid of igniting WW3 just like the rest of the world which is why they are cautiously trying to tackle Ukraine which clearly isn't working.

Also, employing their full force implies using all of their nukes which is suicidal since the USA alone can wreck them to oblivion without needing other major allies to step in.

You don't really need to be a war expert to know these things thanks to lessons learnt from WW1 and WW2.

its no longer 1940s when blitzkrieg  worked for germany, Nor is ukraine a weak nation. These days even small man portable weapons can significantly damage bigger military formations, Drones can bring down misslile systems and missiles can sink ships.
The war these days is a  protracted affair of attrition and Russian generals knew this, so they moved in slowly and cautiously

I'm not sure if this case and discussion are really related to economics but regarding the fight between Ukraine and Russia and the reason why Russia is not using all its forces in the fight the first and most important thing is how can be sure if they are not already using their full of the military forces, obviously, there are many sources of for it but we cannot be sure. By the way, the reason is pretty much clear, if they use the full of the military forces in the war, they will be vulnerable to many countries, and since the relationship between many European countries and Russia is not a good situation they prefer to do not send the full military forces. But if you are to looking at this case economically, the reason can be another thing, maybe if they send full military forces they will need to spend more food and money, also they have some unhappy people inside the country and it's not surprising to see them saving some military forces inside to protect the government against possible protests.

Dude this is a discussion about tactics not about emotions ... just saying that as a General ,if i was a General i wouldn't do what the russians did,i wouldn't let anyone escape or survive or even retreat ... maybe they have a plan that we don't know ,it's interesting ...War is the art of deception...

In war: The most advanced technologically ,the ruthless, the most intelligent ,the bravest will win the war. <-- Anyone how has this qualities will win the war ( Lessons from history not propaganda ! )

Do you want Russia to destroy Ukraine, I think you are insane, your brain is not normal, all countries want Russia and Ukraine to make peace, you are saying full power, I think you are talking nonsense.

What you need to know, russia and ukraine are still great-grandchildren, they still have brotherly blood, unwittingly they have opened a civil war, selfish a few people destroy thousands of innocent human beings.

What full power should they use, don't you see the victims who die every day and the suffering suffered by the Ukrainian people, in the war Russia vs. Ukraine, either retreat is a positive decision, not fear or full force, just remember that those who die every day are brothers, not mortal enemies.

A more detailed background:

https://labourheartlands.com/jacques-baud-the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine-update/

One the reasons that they haven't attack Ukraine fully ks because they share the same blood. They have the same language, came from the same root. They are like the other race that blindly kills innocent lives. They are showing their power, how much can it damage the city they are attacking. They could've blown Ukraine already but they choose to give them the choice to surrender.