Topic: why socialism? - page 10. (Read 7792 times)

as a matter of fact the evidence even points to the contrary, if you look at European countries.

Russia's problems do not come from the fact that they have socialized institutions they come from the fact that greedy dictators control those institutions, same with China.
Its easy to blame a system, its like having a war on terror. Terror is a feeling, you cant have a war wit ha feeling just like an economic system cant be at fault for the corruption. Its rather the opposite that the corruption is at fault for ruining the system

Unfortunately... here in 'Murica, anti-socialism is preached in the textbooks in school

Every 'Murican gets told dozens of times by dozens of teachers that Communism is of the devil, and Socialism is Communism

That's pretty much it though... that's all they say... we need to hate those evil Commie bastards...

But, nobody ever explains why... it's all a bunch of "Socialism never works", etc... but there is never any evidence to back up such a statement

It boils down to competition with Russia and China... you gotta hate the competition/enemy and slander them with propaganda, right?


It's basically the definition of bigotry being preached in the public school system for 50 years

It can be applied to a developed country where it could sustain the needs of its people with all benefits for free.  And a country where corruption is very minimal.  

It would be a good thing if all companies or high earning establishments will be operated by the government to finance the needs of its people.  But of course this would not take effect as some leaders and officials were corrupt.

You make it sound like:

A) you don't pay taxes already
B) The thigns you pay taxes for would be free other wise (which they would not)
C) Socialism would take away from your democracy (which it would not)
D) That super packs don't already control your current government with an iron fist, your worried big corporations will work together to control the vote over where your communal money would go if America was hypothetically more socialist. Accept currently you have no communal money or programs and those greedy corporations charge you amounts you cant afford for services you need. Instead they would be fighting for a bigger piece of a pie that's already put their to pay them for services you are guaranteed , only an idiot would fight against his own best interests

Love how stupid this post is and how it completely ignores all previous stated facts in other posts.

CANADA IS VERY SOCIALIST AND WORKS FINE! In spite of what you may think of the Canadian government funded programs, such as Free healthcare, Public Schools, Public Fire Safety, Public Police, Public works, Free Festivals for all Canada's citizens and Government controlled Banking , Canada did not turn into Russia or any of the failed countries you are mentioning therefor everything you just said was completely false. Canada's unemployment is no sky high because it has government funded programs that help find people jobs. Get it?

Basically you Americans hate the very things that would help you, and your all stupid for not voting for Bernie Sanders

 

It's the if... Then you agree to social democracy meaning that 50%+1 of the voters will be able to decide how much of your btc you can keep and allocate your founds to what ever they see fit, but ultimately it ends in cronyism because greed contrary to your belief is quite spread among all species...

This is the big problem that socialists have with freedom (and fake conservative). The individual, ultimate creation of the almighty God is born free to chose. According to some, one even took an apple that shouldn't have been touched.

Then to the last posters all socialists dreams end when the extraction specialists arrives... They are the front men of the giant unseen powerful armies of the free market. The last remenants will be the leaders of the socialists movement (Maduro, family and friends wealth is long out and secure from Venezuela... The sad part is that he will certainly see death there... More profit for the extraction specialist). Your so called nation is just a jurisdiction, if you can keep it. I hope you will enjoy the fight against the Corporate Invisible Armies...

Capitalism worked in the past and works now. Socialism has never worked in the past and does not now. Crapitalism has never worked in the past and does not now(USA).

I liked what Gingrich said about unemployment benefits-the reciever should be doing some "training" or along those lines while receiving those benefits, so they don't just milk it up like my cousin does. I think also everyone should be able to opt out of welfare such as Social Security. No harm to that.

As far as the corruption of politicians by wealkthy-dont allow them to receive money in any way through lobbying. Im not just talkin about corporations-the unions are what i fear the most. They have damned my state California to hell. Our education went from first to 48th years ago.

The fair share tax wont change a damn thing as much as some would like it do. As soon as the tax gets high in the wealthies minds. They will hide the money. Only at normal levels will they actually pay it which is why they pay a lower percentage of their income. They still pay for the 50% of the US population that don't. Estonia has a flat tax and they are rising.

Taxes are the least of my worries, spending is the most.

Depressions are all under the feds watch and he says he got somtin to fix it. Yet we didn't get out of the depression until our soldiers came back. We haven't gotten out of the recession with the increased spending under bush and obama. Wasting money doesn't seem to be in the minds of both republicans and democrats.

SOCIALISM

State and social system, the basis of the relations of production to-cerned is the public ownership of the means of production and a rum implemented the principle: from each according to his ability, to each according to his work.
In general, if you do not attach importance to trifles. Those who have done so much and he has received. The idea, in general it is not bad. Even capitalism, ideally, is committed to socialism. That's only in real life, these schemes do not work. Proven by Russia, China and Cuba.

Thank goodness somebody in here has some sense. Nor you make the most reasonable comments and its very satisfying to read you shutting down these ignorant claims.

Kudos Mate!

Again there are many examples of modern countries in the west with many socialist policies and they did not become Russia or Serbia in the 70's and 80's.

Italy has workers compensation and payed vacations of up to 6 weeks per year, France has free public schools with government funded nutritional lunches, and because many Nordic countries do not a low private schools their public schools are considered some of the best in the entire world. many European countries have free university and they all still maintain a healthy amount of capitalism and free market activity, again the blame belongs on the greedy not the system.

I live in Serbia and currently we're in a transition from socialism to capitalism and when I ask people that were living back in the '80s they said they wouldn't be going back and because of Tito, we're living shitty as we are today. Also, Serbia isn't considered a socialist country but we have free healthcare , school and collegde (if you have good marks and do the test, before enrolling in college, good). So why do some people force socialism if it always ends up with communism and totalitarianism and most of people who lived through it, wouldn't go back (also, there is some russian guy on youtube that talking about capitalism and socialism and why he left the socialist Russia).

Well if Venezuela screwed up socialism it must be bad...#Sarcasm. Dude come to Canada an tell me its not working out.

Look the thing is with capitalism, Communism or Socialism, they are just systems to be followed and if your a greedy dick you can always screw them up.

Communism sounds great in theory but it was screwed up by greedy dicks, so does that make it a bad system or does that mean greedy dicks can ruin it?

Capitalism was working fine but currently its being ruined by greedy dicks

The lesson isn't that any system is bad the lesson is don't be a greedy dick and everything will be fine.

In Canada, our dollar is doing fine, our middle class is doing fine our health care is solid and even reoccurring cancers of the worst kind get treated over and over with out you ever being turned away, we are a perfect example of how when properly applied taxes can be a wonderful thing!

I would gladly pay taxes on my BTC if it went to a communal cause the was proven to benefit all BTC holders, your problem is that you are blaming the systems instead of blaming the greedy, like you should.

No idea about socialism and according to google it is a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Maybe because they still believed that it is the key or maybe a way to atleast alleviate everyone from poverty.  If the production, distribution, and exchange is owned by the people many will benefits.  No more hunger.  Everyone will have a comfortable life.  There would be equality.  And speaking of equality, that is not a good thing for the greedy people.  People who wants fame.  People who wants all the richness of the earth.  As long as there are people like this, this would not take effect.  Thus, it will not work. 

How much of your Bitcoin are your ready to forfeit in taxes each years (wealth tax) and how much of your new Bitcoin (income tax) and how much at each purchase (vat)? How much do you consider fair?

Socialism always end up Venezuelan... There is no other option because greed isn't the product of capitalism bit of the human nature and particularly women hypergamie...

not true at all, no one in Canada has anythign stolen by our very socialist govt and the majority of Government programs benefit all Canadians. Not a single Canadian is against our universally free health care, you never hear us complain about or socialized programs, we only take advantage of them and you never hear us complain that other people decided on our money because its done through taxes wich Americans already have, in Canada we have a bigger middle class and a better quality of life for our worst off.

remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Plus , you spend the money anyways
instead of taxes that cover you schoolign and health care, you pay through the nose for school and health care.

You end up paying anyways

Socialism: taking a share of YOUR Bitcoin to spend it on something not decided by you. Do you agree to it, or coercion would be necessary?

Canada is socialism,  therefor socialism works perfectly in a current situation and your argument is completely invalid.

You Americans get religious about your words and act like doing something socialist is going make you wear shitty old wool clothes and force you to march in an imperialistic army.
the only thing socialism means is programs that you pay tax for that benefit the entire population such as hospitals , Fire Departments , Universities and Police Stations.
Why on earth wouldn't you want that?

Because it is an easy form of populism.  In the end they are just trying to get votes. Looking back in history we see that socialism is not working. Taking private ownership away and forcing everybody to be the same, makes people lazy. It is attractive to get money from the rich people.