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August 13, 2016, 08:11:56 PM
#56
Basically, if you are poor, socialism benefits you more than anything. If you are rich, capitalism should be your choice. Nobody gives a damn other than himself/herself so everybody supports the idea which benefits them more.

I can't deny the fact that socialism is lazy people's number one choice tho.
I have already said. It was a lot of work in order to live, man needs under socialism is good. If a person is working well, the person is popular, people has many benefits, the person has a lot of opportunities.
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August 13, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
#55
Basically, if you are poor, socialism benefits you more than anything. If you are rich, capitalism should be your choice. Nobody gives a damn other than himself/herself so everybody supports the idea which benefits them more.

I can't deny the fact that socialism is lazy people's number one choice tho.
If you decide to start this dialogue. Learn to start what socialism and communism. Under socialism, all well fed. But if you want to live well, you have to work.
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August 13, 2016, 07:55:17 PM
#54
Is socialism and communism one and the same in the USA?
You know what the difference between capitalism and socialism and communism? In fact, these are links in one chain. You want that you were slaves? If you do not want, then you will acknowledge socialism.
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August 13, 2016, 01:55:29 PM
#53
Basically, if you are poor, socialism benefits you more than anything. If you are rich, capitalism should be your choice. Nobody gives a damn other than himself/herself so everybody supports the idea which benefits them more.

I can't deny the fact that socialism is lazy people's number one choice tho.
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August 13, 2016, 12:21:16 PM
#52
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 
illy
Exactly, I believe that equality shouldn't exist in that way "everybody gets paid the same", because that can ruin interest to work. Why would you bother doing more work and trying to be more productive if you won't be paid more for that work. Not everyone is satisfied with just ENOUGH money. Also, there would be no private business opening and therefore no extra workplaces. Id you ask me, Id like to see a way/economy politics that will encourage people to work more and open up their private business, so that people who cant to work will get a chance to prove themselves and do something with their lives.

No not exactly you are ignoring countries such as Canada, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Norway which are all doing absolutely amazing and have many socialized programs. you guys use flawed arguments to argue with him but that guy is right all we need is a few programs here. were not talking about making America Soviet Russia your being silly! Enough is enough no one said communism socialism is totally different and works in many places. Stop spreading misinformation by making them sound the same your hurting America
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August 13, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
#51
Is socialism and communism one and the same in the USA?
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August 13, 2016, 10:03:00 AM
#50
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 
You are not right. Competition, under socialism, was very great. Money received, all. But they all had different salaries. If you want more, you have to work harder. But people spoiled lazy. I already wrote. The man could not work, the main thing to be in the workplace. For this, the person receiving the same salary, and neither of which did not. This fact and spoiled people.
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August 13, 2016, 09:47:44 AM
#49
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 

Exactly, I believe that equality shouldn't exist in that way "everybody gets paid the same", because that can ruin interest to work. Why would you bother doing more work and trying to be more productive if you won't be paid more for that work. Not everyone is satisfied with just ENOUGH money. Also, there would be no private business opening and therefore no extra workplaces. Id you ask me, Id like to see a way/economy politics that will encourage people to work more and open up their private business, so that people who cant to work will get a chance to prove themselves and do something with their lives.
You are not right. The payment system, exact same, that socialism is that under capitalism. In both cases, the more you work, the more you get. Under socialism, everyone had to work. Unemployed, alarm. Unemployment was pristupnikov. People had to work, even if their work is not who do not need. For his work, they received the money. But in fact, the money that they received for what they were doing or who do not need things. Perhaps now you'll understand why, under socialism, it is difficult to become rich. The money was all. But these amounts are very small. Potamu that have a certain amount of money.

If you think that you are stuck in socialism in America, watch Karl Lentz talking to the cop who gave him a traffic ticket, after the trial that Karl won - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10#t=06m55s.

We can use Karl's methods in America to get out of paying most taxes. If we did, government would dwindle down to nothing, and there would be freedom.

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August 13, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
#48
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 

Exactly, I believe that equality shouldn't exist in that way "everybody gets paid the same", because that can ruin interest to work. Why would you bother doing more work and trying to be more productive if you won't be paid more for that work. Not everyone is satisfied with just ENOUGH money. Also, there would be no private business opening and therefore no extra workplaces. Id you ask me, Id like to see a way/economy politics that will encourage people to work more and open up their private business, so that people who cant to work will get a chance to prove themselves and do something with their lives.
You are not right. The payment system, exact same, that socialism is that under capitalism. In both cases, the more you work, the more you get. Under socialism, everyone had to work. Unemployed, alarm. Unemployment was pristupnikov. People had to work, even if their work is not who do not need. For his work, they received the money. But in fact, the money that they received for what they were doing or who do not need things. Perhaps now you'll understand why, under socialism, it is difficult to become rich. The money was all. But these amounts are very small. Potamu that have a certain amount of money.
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August 13, 2016, 08:21:12 AM
#47
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 

Exactly, I believe that equality shouldn't exist in that way "everybody gets paid the same", because that can ruin interest to work. Why would you bother doing more work and trying to be more productive if you won't be paid more for that work. Not everyone is satisfied with just ENOUGH money. Also, there would be no private business opening and therefore no extra workplaces. Id you ask me, Id like to see a way/economy politics that will encourage people to work more and open up their private business, so that people who cant to work will get a chance to prove themselves and do something with their lives.
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August 13, 2016, 08:15:26 AM
#46
Intelligent people understand the difference between propaganda and common sense. America just needs a few socialized programs, its fucking time already. I have a story for you, once I bought a new iPhone, I didn't need it, there was nothing wrong with my old one but I was somehow convinced I needed it. I spent 300$ signed up for a 3 year new contract and then got the same exact phone accept they moved the headphone jack from the top to the bottom. You dont want a company such as apple to taking care of your health. It shouldn't be an exclusive business, it belongs in control by our government guaranteed to all our citizens

I like your attitude. If more people had your attitude, I might be able to become rich. Why, how? Anybody with any knowledge about how the American system of government works, can easily use the courts to put government down at any time. Companies like Apple have done this so that they can find your key and sell you some stupidity. Stay stupid. I just might like to live off of it in the future... like Apple.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10.

Cool

for the first time being here, in like 6-7 months, I'll have to agree with BADecker.
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August 13, 2016, 06:21:57 AM
#45
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 03:04:18 AM
#44
Intelligent people understand the difference between propaganda and common sense. America just needs a few socialized programs, its fucking time already. I have a story for you, once I bought a new iPhone, I didn't need it, there was nothing wrong with my old one but I was somehow convinced I needed it. I spent 300$ signed up for a 3 year new contract and then got the same exact phone accept they moved the headphone jack from the top to the bottom. You dont want a company such as apple to taking care of your health. It shouldn't be an exclusive business, it belongs in control by our government guaranteed to all our citizens

I like your attitude. If more people had your attitude, I might be able to become rich. Why, how? Anybody with any knowledge about how the American system of government works, can easily use the courts to put government down at any time. Companies like Apple have done this so that they can find your key and sell you some stupidity. Stay stupid. I just might like to live off of it in the future... like Apple.

See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10.

Cool
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August 13, 2016, 12:03:05 AM
#43
Intelligent people understand the difference between propaganda and common sense. America just needs a few socialized programs, its fucking time already. I have a story for you, once I bought a new iPhone, I didn't need it, there was nothing wrong with my old one but I was somehow convinced I needed it. I spent 300$ signed up for a 3 year new contract and then got the same exact phone accept they moved the headphone jack from the top to the bottom. You dont want a company such as apple to taking care of your health. It shouldn't be an exclusive business, it belongs in control by our government guaranteed to all our citizens
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August 12, 2016, 06:54:03 PM
#42
Socialism and communism are different forms of steal from the poor to give a little to the destitute and to make the rich richer.

Cool

False, but nice shades on your emoji.  Roll Eyes

Socialists and communists might be honest at the beginning, but steal from the poor and give to the rich is what happens after awhile.

Cool

Did a socialist steal the shades on your emoji?  Roll Eyes

Nope. I don't go there. But obviously, they stole yours.     Cool

Touche
legendary
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August 12, 2016, 05:48:38 PM
#41
Socialism and communism are different forms of steal from the poor to give a little to the destitute and to make the rich richer.

Cool

False, but nice shades on your emoji.  Roll Eyes

Socialists and communists might be honest at the beginning, but steal from the poor and give to the rich is what happens after awhile.

Cool

Did a socialist steal the shades on your emoji?  Roll Eyes

Nope. I don't go there. But obviously, they stole yours.     Cool
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August 12, 2016, 05:32:57 PM
#40
Socialism and communism are different forms of steal from the poor to give a little to the destitute and to make the rich richer.

Cool

False, but nice shades on your emoji.  Roll Eyes

Socialists and communists might be honest at the beginning, but steal from the poor and give to the rich is what happens after awhile.

Cool

Did a socialist steal the shades on your emoji?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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August 12, 2016, 05:31:18 PM
#39
Socialism and communism are different forms of steal from the poor to give a little to the destitute and to make the rich richer.

Cool

False, but nice shades on your emoji.  Roll Eyes

Socialists and communists might be honest at the beginning, but steal from the poor and give to the rich is what happens after awhile.

Cool
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August 12, 2016, 05:24:33 PM
#38
Socialism and communism are different forms of steal from the poor to give a little to the destitute and to make the rich richer.

Cool

False, but nice shades on your emoji.  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 3906
Merit: 1373
August 12, 2016, 05:22:50 PM
#37
Socialism and communism are different forms of steal from the poor to give a little to the destitute and to make the rich richer.

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