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August 14, 2016, 12:31:08 PM
#69
A bunch of sock commie ganging up to impose their social utopia? Addiction to failure?
I personally, and parallel to the commune and the capitalists, they are all together, of little interest to me. Anarchy is the mother of order. There's no one for you, there is no one above you. I am alone, and I am very well. You can piss boiling water. You're not interested in me.
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August 14, 2016, 12:14:31 PM
#68
A bunch of sock commie ganging up to impose their social utopia? Addiction to failure?
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August 14, 2016, 11:51:38 AM
#67
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August 14, 2016, 10:41:25 AM
#66
Socialism: taking a share of YOUR Bitcoin to spend it on something not decided by you. Do you agree to it, or coercion would be necessary?

not true at all, no one in Canada has anythign stolen by our very socialist govt and the majority of Government programs benefit all Canadians. Not a single Canadian is against our universally free health care, you never hear us complain about or socialized programs, we only take advantage of them and you never hear us complain that other people decided on our money because its done through taxes wich Americans already have, in Canada we have a bigger middle class and a better quality of life for our worst off.

remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Plus , you spend the money anyways
instead of taxes that cover you schoolign and health care, you pay through the nose for school and health care.

You end up paying anyways

How much of your Bitcoin are your ready to forfeit in taxes each years (wealth tax) and how much of your new Bitcoin (income tax) and how much at each purchase (vat)? How much do you consider fair?

Socialism always end up Venezuelan... There is no other option because greed isn't the product of capitalism bit of the human nature and particularly women hypergamie...

How much is necessary to give everyone free education and health care. But keep your bitcoin to buy what you want as you seem to think sharing is in itself a bad idea. Until you need help then you gonna die like the lonely dog you are.

Hey piece of French trash... Look at your deficit? Debt level? Income growth and disparity... Don't forget the old age health tax bomb... Oh and look at productivity... Ahaha no chance in hell to make it. How many people employed by the state with fat pension? LoL. Reform possibilities = O. Collapse certainty = 100%. Date of the collapse = unknown... Or when the market forces will be ready... And it will, the later the more violent it will.

Then in your great knowledge cite me ONE country with as much freedom of speech as America? All socialist, communist or social democracy have limit on freedom of expression or outright censorship with torture and co. Why do you think? because at the root of it there is coercion to steal other people money... America drained the brains, mind and lunatics of the world under one common banner... Speak mother fucker but don't DO trouble.

Now you don't understand the difference between sharing (aka an act of free will) and theft (no free will). Guess in which category tax fell? Only common defense is tolerable.

By having public school, you have public teaching, aka censorship and possibilities of control. Most social democracy ban HOMEschooling why? With public health care you stop innovation (btw patenting is a by product of unfree market).


What you low level socialists don't get is that your utopia fails to allocate ressources efficiently. The free market is already leached by monetary policy, i.e. Market rate for interest aren't applied. However as you the high level believe you have to take over the whole world for your utopia to stand a chance otherwise the market forces will always be able to find new operational basis to raid, loot and exploit your utopia. For example the king Bitcoin is a definite enemy of your utopia. It unleashes freedom. So what the fuck are you doing on this forum? Please go see on the mining section (btc or Alts)... We wanna trade, create, innovate... Not be fucking employees for a salary. Some of us have build great scams, looting operations, giant mining farms, asic companies, various services... And you like the worthless human being mind controlled you come here to preach your lies... Who do you believe is stupid and ignorant enough to believe you? You are so desillusional.

And you know most countries that experienced the socialist utopia will fight hell to not experience it ever in their lives. They know too well how it ends... So good luck in Russia, China and soon once purged Venezuela... We death squad you will be welcomed.

The free market is the biggest known force in the universe because it derives from the cumulative will of the human being made by God. So fight us, we have God on our side, and trade we will even with you, we don't discriminate profit.
Ma'am, I'm sorry, I'll tell you a few words sechas. Jerking your Bitcoin, as you like. Personally, I am on this forum, just to talk. I packed a purse and do not use it. If you are sickened by anything that does not correspond to your rules. Do not read the messages that you do not like and do not raise your voice to seniors.

Now you little worms, who do you pretend the fuck to be? To tell me not to raise my voice!?! Fuck you, return and stay in your censored socialist paradise and die there. Useless waste of water.
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August 14, 2016, 10:32:23 AM
#65
No matter what sheople and their overlords call it, it will always be "plutocracy".
What can this game of words to say? It was under socialism, was a real freedom. Yes were locked topics. But closed threads, under any political system. Some things, say, in any case, is not necessary.
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August 14, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
#64
Socialism: taking a share of YOUR Bitcoin to spend it on something not decided by you. Do you agree to it, or coercion would be necessary?

not true at all, no one in Canada has anythign stolen by our very socialist govt and the majority of Government programs benefit all Canadians. Not a single Canadian is against our universally free health care, you never hear us complain about or socialized programs, we only take advantage of them and you never hear us complain that other people decided on our money because its done through taxes wich Americans already have, in Canada we have a bigger middle class and a better quality of life for our worst off.

remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Plus , you spend the money anyways
instead of taxes that cover you schoolign and health care, you pay through the nose for school and health care.

You end up paying anyways

How much of your Bitcoin are your ready to forfeit in taxes each years (wealth tax) and how much of your new Bitcoin (income tax) and how much at each purchase (vat)? How much do you consider fair?

Socialism always end up Venezuelan... There is no other option because greed isn't the product of capitalism bit of the human nature and particularly women hypergamie...

How much is necessary to give everyone free education and health care. But keep your bitcoin to buy what you want as you seem to think sharing is in itself a bad idea. Until you need help then you gonna die like the lonely dog you are.
I also like the idea of ​​free primary education, free medical care, free kindergartens. This is bad?! I pay my taxes in all cases. Why not send the money exactly where they are needed?

Well yes, thats the problem, money isnt distributed where its the most needed. Do you think that socialism will fix that?
Actually that was the proof. Also in the Soviet Union, it was just such a distribution of the state budget. But we spoiled by thieves, who came to power. People themselves have spoiled the ideas of socialism.
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Need some spare btc for a new PC
August 14, 2016, 10:04:00 AM
#63
Socialism: taking a share of YOUR Bitcoin to spend it on something not decided by you. Do you agree to it, or coercion would be necessary?

not true at all, no one in Canada has anythign stolen by our very socialist govt and the majority of Government programs benefit all Canadians. Not a single Canadian is against our universally free health care, you never hear us complain about or socialized programs, we only take advantage of them and you never hear us complain that other people decided on our money because its done through taxes wich Americans already have, in Canada we have a bigger middle class and a better quality of life for our worst off.

remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Plus , you spend the money anyways
instead of taxes that cover you schoolign and health care, you pay through the nose for school and health care.

You end up paying anyways

How much of your Bitcoin are your ready to forfeit in taxes each years (wealth tax) and how much of your new Bitcoin (income tax) and how much at each purchase (vat)? How much do you consider fair?

Socialism always end up Venezuelan... There is no other option because greed isn't the product of capitalism bit of the human nature and particularly women hypergamie...

How much is necessary to give everyone free education and health care. But keep your bitcoin to buy what you want as you seem to think sharing is in itself a bad idea. Until you need help then you gonna die like the lonely dog you are.
I also like the idea of ​​free primary education, free medical care, free kindergartens. This is bad?! I pay my taxes in all cases. Why not send the money exactly where they are needed?

Well yes, thats the problem, money isnt distributed where its the most needed. Do you think that socialism will fix that?
hero member
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Merit: 973
August 14, 2016, 08:05:40 AM
#62
No matter what sheople and their overlords call it, it will always be "plutocracy".
sr. member
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Merit: 250
August 14, 2016, 08:04:19 AM
#61
Socialism: taking a share of YOUR Bitcoin to spend it on something not decided by you. Do you agree to it, or coercion would be necessary?

not true at all, no one in Canada has anythign stolen by our very socialist govt and the majority of Government programs benefit all Canadians. Not a single Canadian is against our universally free health care, you never hear us complain about or socialized programs, we only take advantage of them and you never hear us complain that other people decided on our money because its done through taxes wich Americans already have, in Canada we have a bigger middle class and a better quality of life for our worst off.

remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Plus , you spend the money anyways
instead of taxes that cover you schoolign and health care, you pay through the nose for school and health care.

You end up paying anyways

How much of your Bitcoin are your ready to forfeit in taxes each years (wealth tax) and how much of your new Bitcoin (income tax) and how much at each purchase (vat)? How much do you consider fair?

Socialism always end up Venezuelan... There is no other option because greed isn't the product of capitalism bit of the human nature and particularly women hypergamie...

How much is necessary to give everyone free education and health care. But keep your bitcoin to buy what you want as you seem to think sharing is in itself a bad idea. Until you need help then you gonna die like the lonely dog you are.
I also like the idea of ​​free primary education, free medical care, free kindergartens. This is bad?! I pay my taxes in all cases. Why not send the money exactly where they are needed?
sr. member
Activity: 262
Merit: 250
August 14, 2016, 07:51:13 AM
#60
What you low level socialists don't get is that your utopia fails to allocate ressources efficiently. The free market is already leached by monetary policy, i.e. Market rate for interest aren't applied. However as you the high level believe you have to take over the whole world for your utopia to stand a chance otherwise the market forces will always be able to find new operational basis to raid, loot and exploit your utopia. For example the king Bitcoin is a definite enemy of your utopia. It unleashes freedom. So what the fuck are you doing on this forum? Please go see on the mining section (btc or Alts)... We wanna trade, create, innovate... Not be fucking employees for a salary. Some of us have build great scams, looting operations, giant mining farms, asic companies, various services... And you like the worthless human being mind controlled you come here to preach your lies... Who do you believe is stupid and ignorant enough to believe you? You are so desillusional.

And you know most countries that experienced the socialist utopia will fight hell to not experience it ever in their lives. They know too well how it ends... So good luck in Russia, China and soon once purged Venezuela... We death squad you will be welcomed.

The free market is the biggest known force in the universe because it derives from the cumulative will of the human being made by God. So fight us, we have God on our side, and trade we will even with you, we don't discriminate profit.
Ma'am, I'm sorry, I'll tell you a few words sechas. Jerking your Bitcoin, as you like. Personally, I am on this forum, just to talk. I packed a purse and do not use it. If you are sickened by anything that does not correspond to your rules. Do not read the messages that you do not like and do not raise your voice to seniors.
legendary
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August 14, 2016, 04:51:01 AM
#59
Socialism: taking a share of YOUR Bitcoin to spend it on something not decided by you. Do you agree to it, or coercion would be necessary?

not true at all, no one in Canada has anythign stolen by our very socialist govt and the majority of Government programs benefit all Canadians. Not a single Canadian is against our universally free health care, you never hear us complain about or socialized programs, we only take advantage of them and you never hear us complain that other people decided on our money because its done through taxes wich Americans already have, in Canada we have a bigger middle class and a better quality of life for our worst off.

remember a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

Plus , you spend the money anyways
instead of taxes that cover you schoolign and health care, you pay through the nose for school and health care.

You end up paying anyways

How much of your Bitcoin are your ready to forfeit in taxes each years (wealth tax) and how much of your new Bitcoin (income tax) and how much at each purchase (vat)? How much do you consider fair?

Socialism always end up Venezuelan... There is no other option because greed isn't the product of capitalism bit of the human nature and particularly women hypergamie...

How much is necessary to give everyone free education and health care. But keep your bitcoin to buy what you want as you seem to think sharing is in itself a bad idea. Until you need help then you gonna die like the lonely dog you are.
sr. member
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Merit: 252
August 14, 2016, 02:33:37 AM
#58
What you low level socialists don't get is that your utopia fails to allocate ressources efficiently. The free market is already leached by monetary policy, i.e. Market rate for interest aren't applied. However as you the high level believe you have to take over the whole world for your utopia to stand a chance otherwise the market forces will always be able to find new operational basis to raid, loot and exploit your utopia. For example the king Bitcoin is a definite enemy of your utopia. It unleashes freedom. So what the fuck are you doing on this forum? Please go see on the mining section (btc or Alts)... We wanna trade, create, innovate... Not be fucking employees for a salary. Some of us have build great scams, looting operations, giant mining farms, asic companies, various services... And you like the worthless human being mind controlled you come here to preach your lies... Who do you believe is stupid and ignorant enough to believe you? You are so desillusional.

And you know most countries that experienced the socialist utopia will fight hell to not experience it ever in their lives. They know too well how it ends... So good luck in Russia, China and soon once purged Venezuela... We death squad you will be welcomed.

The free market is the biggest known force in the universe because it derives from the cumulative will of the human being made by God. So fight us, we have God on our side, and trade we will even with you, we don't discriminate profit.
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August 13, 2016, 10:35:26 PM
#57
Socialism is a word that scares dumb Americans we have to just call it free health care and free university for stupid people to get what it is and like it
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August 13, 2016, 08:11:56 PM
#56
Basically, if you are poor, socialism benefits you more than anything. If you are rich, capitalism should be your choice. Nobody gives a damn other than himself/herself so everybody supports the idea which benefits them more.

I can't deny the fact that socialism is lazy people's number one choice tho.
I have already said. It was a lot of work in order to live, man needs under socialism is good. If a person is working well, the person is popular, people has many benefits, the person has a lot of opportunities.
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August 13, 2016, 08:04:05 PM
#55
Basically, if you are poor, socialism benefits you more than anything. If you are rich, capitalism should be your choice. Nobody gives a damn other than himself/herself so everybody supports the idea which benefits them more.

I can't deny the fact that socialism is lazy people's number one choice tho.
If you decide to start this dialogue. Learn to start what socialism and communism. Under socialism, all well fed. But if you want to live well, you have to work.
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August 13, 2016, 07:55:17 PM
#54
Is socialism and communism one and the same in the USA?
You know what the difference between capitalism and socialism and communism? In fact, these are links in one chain. You want that you were slaves? If you do not want, then you will acknowledge socialism.
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 01:55:29 PM
#53
Basically, if you are poor, socialism benefits you more than anything. If you are rich, capitalism should be your choice. Nobody gives a damn other than himself/herself so everybody supports the idea which benefits them more.

I can't deny the fact that socialism is lazy people's number one choice tho.
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August 13, 2016, 12:21:16 PM
#52
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 
illy
Exactly, I believe that equality shouldn't exist in that way "everybody gets paid the same", because that can ruin interest to work. Why would you bother doing more work and trying to be more productive if you won't be paid more for that work. Not everyone is satisfied with just ENOUGH money. Also, there would be no private business opening and therefore no extra workplaces. Id you ask me, Id like to see a way/economy politics that will encourage people to work more and open up their private business, so that people who cant to work will get a chance to prove themselves and do something with their lives.

No not exactly you are ignoring countries such as Canada, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Norway which are all doing absolutely amazing and have many socialized programs. you guys use flawed arguments to argue with him but that guy is right all we need is a few programs here. were not talking about making America Soviet Russia your being silly! Enough is enough no one said communism socialism is totally different and works in many places. Stop spreading misinformation by making them sound the same your hurting America
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
#51
Is socialism and communism one and the same in the USA?
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August 13, 2016, 10:03:00 AM
#50
I think that people always tend to believe in some kind of utopia world, where everybody live in joy, no worries, enough work, no stress or problems etc.
Such dream world doesn't exist.
Socialism and communism experiment failed miserably in every country and society, like Soviet Union, Cuba, N. Korea, Poland etc.
Why?
If everybody are equal and doesn't matter how much you work, your salary will be the same, eventually you will loose desire to work and make any effort.
If only state ownership exist, and product of your work don't belong to you, you will eventually loose interest in your work.
Only real competition bring progress, not utopia where everybody receive the same, and not according to results and effort involved.
Because of this capitalism is dominant ideology today in the world.
We need today social capitalism where state help people in need and support them, through state programs etc. but not again new socialist utopia.

 
You are not right. Competition, under socialism, was very great. Money received, all. But they all had different salaries. If you want more, you have to work harder. But people spoiled lazy. I already wrote. The man could not work, the main thing to be in the workplace. For this, the person receiving the same salary, and neither of which did not. This fact and spoiled people.
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