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February 24, 2020, 01:15:11 AM
Officially, there is a rematch clause:

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Deontay Wilder Has 30 Days To Exercise Clause For Fury Trilogy

There is a contractual clause for a trilogy fight - and Wilder has 30 days to exercise that clause - with the contest taking place in June or July.

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-30-days-exercise-clause-fury-trilogy--147028

So Wilder has a month to decide whether he wanted another part of Fury or not.

Regarding the gate attendance of the fight, it broke heavyweight records in Las Vegas

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By the time they entered the ring Saturday night, MGM Grand Garden Arena was packed to capacity. Officials announced a sellout crowd of 15,816 and an MGM Resorts International official confirmed that the live gate for Wilder-Fury II broke the Nevada record for a heavyweight fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-fury-rematch-broke-heavyweight-gate-record-vegas--147020

So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.

So it look like wilder will agree to the third fight and/or he will be made to agree in the favor for the boxing association to get the revenue for this highly anticipated encounter.
If they agree to this fight, will it happen in Las Vegas or the venue will be changed ?
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February 24, 2020, 12:57:32 AM
I also like AJ vs Fury, but it is still up to the boxing promoters and managers to give their fighters the most money. Wilder could fight Whyte next or Andy Ruiz if he doesn't want to sign and fight Fury again.
Please can we stop including Ruiz already, this guy just got lucky once and was already exposed.

If they like to bring big money, they should bring in a Fury vs AJ fight, at least both of them came from a real big win, or maybe AJ vs Wilder, I would still bet on the Wilder to demolished AJ though.
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February 24, 2020, 12:03:15 AM
So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
So basically this is all about money, right?
Why not give us the best match up in the heavy weight division, yes Wilder lose and we've seen enough from him, he could still lose in another rematch, what about AJ vs  Fury? I think this fight is more interesting, isn't it?

I guess every sports today, including boxing is business. That's why fighters are looking for money fight. And remember that Fury is being promoted by Bob Arum, the same manager that guide Pacquiao, and earn tons of money from him.

Of course as boxing fans we wanted to see them fighting each other, specially in the top 5 or even 10.

I also like AJ vs Fury, but it is still up to the boxing promoters and managers to give their fighters the most money. Wilder could fight Whyte next or Andy Ruiz if he doesn't want to sign and fight Fury again.
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February 23, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
Well if there was any dispute about the first fight there cannot be any debate about the second. In my country all the odds were in favour of a Fury win and most boxing analysts and ex-boxers had Fury to win too.

I think the fight was over before Fury busted the Wilder eardrum, it reminded me of when Joshua lost to Ruiz because he clearly did not want to be in the ring that night and Wilder was almost the same as that. I got the feeling he was not ready for the fight and maybe had some domestic issues which he brought into the ring as they were not resolved before the fight and he lost focus. Only Wilder would know the truth.

As for a third fight, I hope Wilder does not trigger the clause and sign up for it. I think Fury should go ahead with a try to get Joshua in the ring so either one of them would become undisputed heavyweight champion. I am confident Fury will knock Joshua out.


There should not be a third match. Fury was robbed by crooked scorecard judges in the first match. Maybe Wilder and his pride might want a third match but the team know their man will lose and maybe get more heavily punished next time.

Fury and Joshua should be the next fight. I have no doubt whatsoever Fury will win within 5 or 6 rounds against Joshua and will go on to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

It is all over for Wilder. He is 34 years old, if he wants to rebuild his career he should take a long break then return fighting 3 or 4 handpicked lower ranked opponents then try to get one last shot at the title again.

I don't think Fury was robbed. It was a fairly equal fight in my opinion but you're forgetting Fury was knocked down twice and he was lucky to get back up. Another round in the first fight and I doubt he would have got back up. People forget that anything can happen in boxing. Doesn't matter how tough you are or if you're unbeaten; one punch and it can all be over. Wilder was the favourite going into this  but it was obvious that punch to the ear that made it bleed threw him off for the rest of the right. I think a rematch would be right in this situation. First was a draw and this one was won by the coach throwing in the towel, although I'm sure Fury would have got a KO had it been allowed to continue. Fury should fight AJ and I'm sure he will at some point but not sure it would be before another Fury fight and likely the Wilder trilogy.
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February 23, 2020, 08:59:25 PM
He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.

I'm comparing it in terms of the psychological trauma that both fighters is experiencing. AJ was clearly upset and many doubt that he can return and beat Ruiz but he did. So there's a possibility that Wilder is experiencing the same psychological trauma that AJ had prior to his rematch. But it takes a lot of mental toughness to overcome it, just saying.
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February 23, 2020, 08:00:16 PM
So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
So basically this is all about money, right?
Why not give us the best match up in the heavy weight division, yes Wilder lose and we've seen enough from him, he could still lose in another rematch, what about AJ vs  Fury? I think this fight is more interesting, isn't it?
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February 23, 2020, 07:59:27 PM



So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
They wont push a trilogy if they do saw that they can make enough money.They do saw the demand and hype so it will surely push through.

He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.
Dont know why other people trying to compare AJ vs Ruiz fight than into this one.
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February 23, 2020, 07:56:48 PM
Officially, there is a rematch clause:

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Deontay Wilder Has 30 Days To Exercise Clause For Fury Trilogy

There is a contractual clause for a trilogy fight - and Wilder has 30 days to exercise that clause - with the contest taking place in June or July.

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-wilder-30-days-exercise-clause-fury-trilogy--147028

So Wilder has a month to decide whether he wanted another part of Fury or not.

Regarding the gate attendance of the fight, it broke heavyweight records in Las Vegas

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By the time they entered the ring Saturday night, MGM Grand Garden Arena was packed to capacity. Officials announced a sellout crowd of 15,816 and an MGM Resorts International official confirmed that the live gate for Wilder-Fury II broke the Nevada record for a heavyweight fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-fury-rematch-broke-heavyweight-gate-record-vegas--147020

So there could be more money in a trilogy, Fury is a good seller and so is Wilder, and they could potentially earn more than the second fight.
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February 23, 2020, 07:39:06 PM
He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.

If Wilder exercise wanted to exercise his rematch clause then we can't do anything but to watch it.

There could be more $$$ in the table for a trilogy, so most likely it will happen in my opinion. So everything is on Wilders table, they have 30 days to think about it. So this is more of a psychological effect, for sure his body are more willing, but if his mind is not into it, we might see his getting knock out for good this time.
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February 23, 2020, 07:08:16 PM
He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
Please don't compare this to AJ vs Ruiz fight as that was clearly an upset and in the 2nd fight AJ proven it, while this fight, both fighters have equal chance of winning based on the betting odds, so I don't agree with a trilogy here but since it's part of the contract, we have no choice but to watch it.
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February 23, 2020, 04:04:08 PM
Wilder tried to survive but he just doesn't have anything left. Fury was clearly the more technical and smarter fighter and he showed that in both fights.
After the first knock down he was never the same fighter and Tyson Fury completely dominated the fight and fulfilled what he was preaching before the fight that we would knock out Wilder which i was having my doubts as he was never a knock out fighter but he came up with a different fighting approach than his first fight and Wilder did not have an answer to it. Wilder have a rematch clause and whether he will take that is to be seen and now we might see the Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury fight which will be another huge fight.
I also have the same doubts that the can knock out the Wilder.

But as soon as Wilder hits the canvass, the complexion of the fight changes, Tyson Fury more confident but cautious with Wilder's right. But Deontay was disoriented and it seems he surrendered already as Fury completely dominated the fight.

For me no need for a trilogy, Fury might go heavy again and the same results, Wilder getting knock out maybe under 7 rounds.

They have a third match clause but since the fight is very much one-sided in favor of fury I don't think we need a trilogy just like that we don't need a trilogy for the Joshua Ruiz match, Fury should now go to Joshua's belt and  prove himself that he is the one king of the heavyweight, the world needs this match to happen.

Yes, the second fight was convincing enough that there is no need for a trilogy here.

But we will see, if there is a rematch clause, we might see one down the road. But I think Wilder needs to get some tune up fight first, just to get his confidence back before fighting Fury again. He can still recover from this lost, just like AJ did.
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February 23, 2020, 03:52:17 PM
Do you think there will be a third fight between these two? I do not see a re-match but if Wilder get his career back on track maybe he will manage one final shot at the title.

There should not be a third match. Fury was robbed by crooked scorecard judges in the first match. Maybe Wilder and his pride might want a third match but the team know their man will lose and maybe get more heavily punished next time..

Fury got knocked down twice during the first match and you think he is still worthy to win the match? Even if he dominated most of that fight Wilder equalized it by showing in front of the watched including the judges who has the power in the ring. However I do have to agree with you that a third match does not need to happen since we already know now who is the best in the ring and Fury showed that he can avoid the errors he have made during the first match. But it's really not the fighter's choice if they want another rematch from happening since if the fans are talking for another fight they know these boxers and promotes see money that will be pouring in onto the next possible fight.
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February 23, 2020, 02:54:56 PM
Fury and Joshua should be the next fight.

Or they make a trilogy. Because due to their contract, during 30 days Wilder could ask for a rematch and Fury count not disagree. But that wont be fair to other contestants, who wish to get these belts Smiley

But I guess they both need to make a match against someone else, before they meet again.
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February 23, 2020, 02:09:31 PM
When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

Even if you knew nothing about nothing that's a pretty alarming signal. I've never seen that before. You'd think someone would have a root around in there before sending him back out.

It might turn out to be harmless enough but it makes you wonder about how diligent they are.

I wonder whether Fury will have another post triumph dive of his spirits or whether it'll spur him on to keep busy.

I think it was 2 or 3 rounds he went out without having the ear looked at by a doctor during the breaks, I felt his corner let him down and didn't really give too much attention to the risk's it could have posed there fighter. 

But again they we're probably focused on the $$$ rather then the well being of there fighter which is very sad to see.

It was a good call by the ref to stop when he did if the fight had gone on much longer I fear a few more hit's to the already bleeding ear could have resulted in something far far worse for him.
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February 23, 2020, 01:59:14 PM
Well, there's news popping around the Wilder has problems with his knees or something that has been bothering him entering the fight.

Well, I am not saying this is an excuse but things like this are normally coming out after the fight. Tyson has also his own share of rumored injuries before coming into the fight and even his trainer is saying that their fighter is not coming into the ring in 100% condition. But he adds that, "Every fighter, and not even fighters, in every sport. If you train hard, everybody has some kind of an injury, some kind of nick, and that’s just the truth." And that's indeed the truth; bringing it up post-fight will only make you a crybaby.

Before the fight took place, all I could see was a Wilder in his perfect form. But it quickly changed. Right after the very first bell rang, Tyson was already dictating the fight's tempo. And it went all throughout the fight until the towel was thrown from Wilder's corner. I don't think it was a nice decision. Wilder and his trainer themselves didn't agree with it either. Well, they could have risked a few more rounds to see whether their fighter would be able to turn the tide on their side or would be pummeled by the Gypsy King to more injuries.

Anyhow, a trilogy is always an option but that is not the most exciting I guess. The fight was one-sided right from the get-go. It was a complete domination by Fury. Wilder was not able to compose himself. Well, the other 3 belts are held by another British. AJ vs. Fury must be the highest demand from the boxing fans. Dillian Whyte is calling out Tyson but I guess he has to wait.
Fury surprised Wilder, Wilder thought that his right hand was enough to scare Fury and that he will not go after him the way it did, but it seems this time around Fury was completely convinced he could nullify the only asset Wilder has, and he was correct, except for a few punches in the first and second round Fury was able to avoid anything that came his way and it was complete domination from that point on, it was one of the most dominating victories that  I have seen Fury gave no opportunity to Wilder once he had him and used every opportunity to punch him or to tire him out, also he seemed to be in incredible shape since there was not a round in which he seemed to be out of breath and needed to rest despite the huge amount of punches he was throwing.
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February 23, 2020, 01:46:20 PM
I just think he picked the fighter to win because they have the same name. Cheesy

He's a proper student of boxing. Anyone passionate about it would be more turned on by Fury than Wilder. He has a rather more complete set of skills. Wilder's good for the spectacle but if you know it all by heart he probably makes you a bit wistful for less flashy and more skilled times.
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February 23, 2020, 01:44:35 PM
Wilder got pounded I don't know if his poor performance was after the ear shot it was rather concerning to see his corner fail to work on him round after round or even give him direction to cover up more and protect his head after the savage ear bleed shot from fury.

When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

I would also credit fury for his performance in the fight he made good advances around the ring and kept Wilder on the back foot for the majority of the fight he landed some good punches both from distance and from inside the clinch all in all it was a good fight with a deserved outcome by fury.
The fight was good during the first till third rounds but as you have said everything changed after the ear bleed of Wilder which i believe will literally make Wilder feel dizziness and i thnk the referee didn't stop the fight early in other to clarify peoples doubt.

With that been said, i somehow believed Fury seek Mike Tyson advise before the fight because Mike Tyson was spotted supporting him through the fight.

I doubt they will have a re-match after this one unless it's in the contract somewhere.

Base on the message posted by sportbible there's chance for a third fight.
A third fight usually means they just do it for bringing in the money and not for the love of the competition. Roll Eyes
Just look at money mayweather and his rematches.
And yes, I heard Mike Tyson was going to be at the announcers table during the fight.
I just think he picked the fighter to win because they have the same name. Cheesy
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February 23, 2020, 01:37:21 PM
Wilder got pounded I don't know if his poor performance was after the ear shot it was rather concerning to see his corner fail to work on him round after round or even give him direction to cover up more and protect his head after the savage ear bleed shot from fury.

When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

I would also credit fury for his performance in the fight he made good advances around the ring and kept Wilder on the back foot for the majority of the fight he landed some good punches both from distance and from inside the clinch all in all it was a good fight with a deserved outcome by fury.
The fight was good during the first till third rounds but as you have said everything changed after the ear bleed of Wilder which i believe will literally make Wilder feel dizziness and i thnk the referee didn't stop the fight early in other to clarify peoples doubt.

With that been said, i somehow believed Fury seek Mike Tyson advise before the fight because Mike Tyson was spotted supporting him through the fight.



I doubt they will have a re-match after this one unless it's in the contract somewhere.

Base on the message posted by sportbible there's chance for a third fight.

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February 23, 2020, 01:17:19 PM
When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

Even if you knew nothing about nothing that's a pretty alarming signal. I've never seen that before. You'd think someone would have a root around in there before sending him back out.

It might turn out to be harmless enough but it makes you wonder about how diligent they are.

I wonder whether Fury will have another post triumph dive of his spirits or whether it'll spur him on to keep busy.
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February 23, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
After the first knock down he was never the same fighter and Tyson Fury completely dominated the fight and fulfilled what he was preaching before the fight that we would knock out Wilder which i was having my doubts as he was never a knock out fighter but he came up with a different fighting approach than his first fight and Wilder did not have an answer to it. Wilder have a rematch clause and whether he will take that is to be seen and now we might see the Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury fight which will be another huge fight.

I don't know if anyone has notice it but after watching the replay of the match you can see that Wilder at the beginning doesn't seem to look confident stepping in the ring, I didn't notice it during the first time and I'm not giving any reasons why Wilder got defeated but when I tried to analyze the replay you'll obviously see that he lacks confidence and Fury was the one throwing the punched while Wilder seems to be leaning in the defensive side maybe trying to feel the match. I don't know but this continued on to the rest of the rounds and Wilder didn't recover from it. He might got a little bit wary during this match maybe brought to by their previous match were Fury dominated the whole match but Wilder got lucky with a draw.
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