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February 23, 2020, 10:42:32 AM
There should not be a third match. Fury was robbed by crooked scorecard judges in the first match. Maybe Wilder and his pride might want a third match but the team know their man will lose and maybe get more heavily punished next time..

Fury got knocked down twice during the first match and you think he is still worthy to win the match? Even if he dominated most of that fight Wilder equalized it by showing in front of the watched including the judges who has the power in the ring. However I do have to agree with you that a third match does not need to happen since we already know now who is the best in the ring and Fury showed that he can avoid the errors he have made during the first match. But it's really not the fighter's choice if they want another rematch from happening since if the fans are talking for another fight they know these boxers and promotes see money that will be pouring in onto the next possible fight.
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February 23, 2020, 10:40:12 AM
Wilder got pounded I don't know if his poor performance was after the ear shot it was rather concerning to see his corner fail to work on him round after round or even give him direction to cover up more and protect his head after the savage ear bleed shot from fury.

When you see blood coming out the ear of a fighter and they seem to be very unstable on there feet I am surprised the corner didn't pull there fighter over health concerns it was a good stoppage by the ref he obviously saw the Wilder was struggling to clear his head and needed some medical attention.

I would also credit fury for his performance in the fight he made good advances around the ring and kept Wilder on the back foot for the majority of the fight he landed some good punches both from distance and from inside the clinch all in all it was a good fight with a deserved outcome by fury.

I doubt they will have a re-match after this one unless it's in the contract somewhere.
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February 23, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
Wilder tried to survive but he just doesn't have anything left. Fury was clearly the more technical and smarter fighter and he showed that in both fights.
After the first knock down he was never the same fighter and Tyson Fury completely dominated the fight and fulfilled what he was preaching before the fight that we would knock out Wilder which i was having my doubts as he was never a knock out fighter but he came up with a different fighting approach than his first fight and Wilder did not have an answer to it. Wilder have a rematch clause and whether he will take that is to be seen and now we might see the Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury fight which will be another huge fight.
I also have the same doubts that the can knock out the Wilder.

But as soon as Wilder hits the canvass, the complexion of the fight changes, Tyson Fury more confident but cautious with Wilder's right. But Deontay was disoriented and it seems he surrendered already as Fury completely dominated the fight.

For me no need for a trilogy, Fury might go heavy again and the same results, Wilder getting knock out maybe under 7 rounds.

They have a third match clause but since the fight is very much one-sided in favor of fury I don't think we need a trilogy just like that we don't need a trilogy for the Joshua Ruiz match, Fury should now go to Joshua's belt and  prove himself that he is the one king of the heavyweight, the world needs this match to happen.
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February 23, 2020, 10:34:29 AM
WILL WAIT FOR ANOTHER REMATCH BECAUSE OF THIS DISAPPOINTING ENDING Cheesy.

Rematch after rematch, are we going to keep on the rematch until the wider will win.  
I think there should be no rematch and we should accept the Tyson fury victory. If they again decide to rematch, this will only to create a marketing technique to gain the hype and money from the event.

Boxing is all about the money. They don't do these fights for fun, but it wasn't a KO win. Trilogys are what happens with most fights when it's one a piece, and not even that in this case with the first being a draw. If Fury is really the better fighter than I can't see why he wouldn't do it again. He seemed to offer it in the post-fight conference and I'm sure a rematch clause is in Wilder's contract anyway. Either way another fight is going to be a huge.

There should not be a third match. Fury was robbed by crooked scorecard judges in the first match. Maybe Wilder and his pride might want a third match but the team know their man will lose and maybe get more heavily punished next time.

Fury and Joshua should be the next fight. I have no doubt whatsoever Fury will win within 5 or 6 rounds against Joshua and will go on to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

It is all over for Wilder. He is 34 years old, if he wants to rebuild his career he should take a long break then return fighting 3 or 4 handpicked lower ranked opponents then try to get one last shot at the title again.

I don't think Fury was robbed. It was a fairly equal fight in my opinion but you're forgetting Fury was knocked down twice and he was lucky to get back up. Another round in the first fight and I doubt he would have got back up. People forget that anything can happen in boxing. Doesn't matter how tough you are or if you're unbeaten; one punch and it can all be over. Wilder was the favourite going into this  but it was obvious that punch to the ear that made it bleed threw him off for the rest of the right. I think a rematch would be right in this situation. First was a draw and this one was won by the coach throwing in the towel, although I'm sure Fury would have got a KO had it been allowed to continue. Fury should fight AJ and I'm sure he will at some point but not sure it would be before another Fury fight and likely the Wilder trilogy.

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Wilder looks very tired, we don't know if he overtrained in this fight, those swags are not there. Or maybe the first knock down took everything from him. His balance is was really affected.

I just watched the replay and Wilder looks to be out of shape since the first round. Fury was just rolling through Wilder's right hand punches like they were nothing. His legs were simply not there and it could be due to a bad weight cut. I believe his corner knows that and threw the towel.  

He wasn't out of shape. That's what getting punched in the head/ear can do to you. Same thing happened in the Joshua fight.
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February 23, 2020, 09:51:31 AM
There should not be a third match. Fury was robbed by crooked scorecard judges in the first match. Maybe Wilder and his pride might want a third match but the team know their man will lose and maybe get more heavily punished next time.

Fury and Joshua should be the next fight. I have no doubt whatsoever Fury will win within 5 or 6 rounds against Joshua and will go on to become the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

It is all over for Wilder. He is 34 years old, if he wants to rebuild his career he should take a long break then return fighting 3 or 4 handpicked lower ranked opponents then try to get one last shot at the title again.
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February 23, 2020, 09:18:16 AM
Wilder tried to survive but he just doesn't have anything left. Fury was clearly the more technical and smarter fighter and he showed that in both fights.
After the first knock down he was never the same fighter and Tyson Fury completely dominated the fight and fulfilled what he was preaching before the fight that we would knock out Wilder which i was having my doubts as he was never a knock out fighter but he came up with a different fighting approach than his first fight and Wilder did not have an answer to it. Wilder have a rematch clause and whether he will take that is to be seen and now we might see the Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury fight which will be another huge fight.
I also have the same doubts that the can knock out the Wilder.

But as soon as Wilder hits the canvass, the complexion of the fight changes, Tyson Fury more confident but cautious with Wilder's right. But Deontay was disoriented and it seems he surrendered already as Fury completely dominated the fight.

For me no need for a trilogy, Fury might go heavy again and the same results, Wilder getting knock out maybe under 7 rounds.
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February 23, 2020, 09:09:43 AM
Wilder tried to survive but he just doesn't have anything left. Fury was clearly the more technical and smarter fighter and he showed that in both fights.
After the first knock down he was never the same fighter and Tyson Fury completely dominated the fight and fulfilled what he was preaching before the fight that we would knock out Wilder which i was having my doubts as he was never a knock out fighter but he came up with a different fighting approach than his first fight and Wilder did not have an answer to it. Wilder have a rematch clause and whether he will take that is to be seen and now we might see the Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury fight which will be another huge fight.
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February 23, 2020, 08:45:40 AM
Going by his ear  
I first thought you mean that instance where Fury was sticking his tongue out as if he was licking Wilder's ear during a clinch. I can't remember what round that was. It's kinda gross to watch Cheesy

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I guess his balance took a major knock. If that is true it was a proper show of toughness.
It was hard looking at Wilder even in the first three rounds. It looks like he was always dragging his feet and ready to fall anytime.



Wilder tried to survive but he just doesn't have anything left. Fury was clearly the more technical and smarter fighter and he showed that in both fights.
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February 23, 2020, 08:43:01 AM
Fury absolutely dominated the bout and was patient. He controlled the tempo and just would not let Wilder off the hook. I initially thought the referee stopped the fight a couple of punches early but afterwards I realised the Wilder corner threw in the towel.

Fury can move very well for a 6ft 9in - fantastic boxing match


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February 23, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
Aye. That was a good watch.

What struck me about the lead up and some of the commentary is that the one and only thing people had to say about Wilder was - that right hand,  when it was going to arrive, why Fury needs to be wary of it.

That doesn't really say much about the rest of him. Guess there isn't much to say. Going by his ear I guess his balance took a major knock. If that is true it was a proper show of toughness.
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February 23, 2020, 08:07:19 AM
Well, there's news popping around the Wilder has problems with his knees or something that has been bothering him entering the fight.

Well, I am not saying this is an excuse but things like this are normally coming out after the fight. Tyson has also his own share of rumored injuries before coming into the fight and even his trainer is saying that their fighter is not coming into the ring in 100% condition. But he adds that, "Every fighter, and not even fighters, in every sport. If you train hard, everybody has some kind of an injury, some kind of nick, and that’s just the truth." And that's indeed the truth; bringing it up post-fight will only make you a crybaby.

Before the fight took place, all I could see was a Wilder in his perfect form. But it quickly changed. Right after the very first bell rang, Tyson was already dictating the fight's tempo. And it went all throughout the fight until the towel was thrown from Wilder's corner. I don't think it was a nice decision. Wilder and his trainer themselves didn't agree with it either. Well, they could have risked a few more rounds to see whether their fighter would be able to turn the tide on their side or would be pummeled by the Gypsy King to more injuries.

Anyhow, a trilogy is always an option but that is not the most exciting I guess. The fight was one-sided right from the get-go. It was a complete domination by Fury. Wilder was not able to compose himself. Well, the other 3 belts are held by another British. AJ vs. Fury must be the highest demand from the boxing fans. Dillian Whyte is calling out Tyson but I guess he has to wait.
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February 23, 2020, 08:03:02 AM
Here was what I said before the fight and if the referee had not stopped the fight Fury would have knocked out Wilder cold:

I just cannot see Wilder getting fortunate this time. No dodgy scorecards from suspect score judges are going to save Wilder this time.

Fury will happily box for the full 12 rounds it will be no problem for him but he will take any opportunity to knock out Wilder before that. As for Wilder, he made a mistake taking the first fight because he thought Fury would be rough after his time away from the ring and those few rounds he had under his belt would be of no use against the punching power Wilder has but he miscalculated. Now that Fury is back to his best Wilder has no chance of winning the bout though he might cause a problem or two for Fury but in the end it will be won by Fury who will teach Wilder a boxing lesson by knocking him out cold.
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February 23, 2020, 07:49:16 AM
If you would listen to Teddy Atlas, a renowned boxing trainer, he says that Wilder is no boxer and the only thing that always bail him out is his one punch KO

Sadly I dont know whi that Teddy Atlas is Sad

I’ve seen video on youtube (hope to find and hope there will be english subs), where the guy said, that Wilder is originally is a cruiserweight, but gained and turned to heavy with one punch tactics (but still do doubt that punch is strong).

During first fight agains Fury, Wilders weight was about 96kg, while Fury weight 20kg more. During yesterdays fight his weight was 104kg - maybe he doesn't feel comfortable in it. Maybe that is why his behavior was so unusual in the fight. 

He was surprise by the aggressive style of Fury, from 1st round to the end, it was Fury who are going after him, looking for an opening to throw his combination and unfortunately, Wilder was not prepared for that. Now, let's talk about the first fight, isn't it still Fury who dominated it, but got robbed in the decision, so he did ensure that this fight will not go into distant.
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February 23, 2020, 07:45:00 AM
If you would listen to Teddy Atlas, a renowned boxing trainer, he says that Wilder is no boxer and the only thing that always bail him out is his one punch KO

Sadly I dont know whi that Teddy Atlas is Sad

I’ve seen video on youtube (hope to find and hope there will be english subs), where the guy said, that Wilder is originally is a cruiserweight, but gained and turned to heavy with one punch tactics (but still do doubt that punch is strong).

During first fight agains Fury, Wilders weight was about 96kg, while Fury weight 20kg more. During yesterdays fight his weight was 104kg - maybe he doesn't feel comfortable in it. Maybe that is why his behavior was so unusual in the fight. 
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February 23, 2020, 06:33:08 AM
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Wilder looks very tired, we don't know if he overtrained in this fight, those swags are not there. Or maybe the first knock down took everything from him. His balance is was really affected.

I just watched the replay and Wilder looks to be out of shape since the first round. Fury was just rolling through Wilder's right hand punches like they were nothing. His legs were simply not there and it could be due to a bad weight cut. I believe his corner knows that and threw the towel.  



With how this fight ended, there is no need for a Fury-Wilder 3. I would like to see Fury vs. Joshua next.

As far as I know there's no weight cutting that happened, on the contrary both of them really gained a lot of weight compare to their first fight.

First fight: Wilder: 212.5 lbs, rematch 231 lbs, gained 18.5 lbs. Fury: 256.5 lbs, rematch, 273 lbs, gained 16.5 lbs. And as I have said, Fury did used his weight advantage to the fullest. And it was the first time that Wilder was getting hit, big time. And it might have backfired on Wilder as well as it slow him down that's why Fury was just rolling out through Wilder's right hand and it might also caused him to fatigued very quick.

@Juggy777 - yes he did, that's why I was really amazed on the performance of Fury in this rematch. He followed everything to the T, including going toe to toe if needed, and that body punch that knock down Wilder the second time. Well, there's news popping around the Wilder has problems with his knees or something that has been bothering him entering the fight.
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February 23, 2020, 06:28:51 AM
Good win by Fury, now he has proven that he won that first fight as it's still the same result,. this fight he dominated Wilder and it looks like Wilder forget how to punch because Fury did really have a great job on putting the pressure on Wilder,.. I like him moving forward and he caught Wilder with his good combination.

now we saw a boxers beaten a puncher.
Good job for him as he really dominated this fight leaving Wilder with nothing but only to take those punches. He really proved that he got this one and Wilder unable to prevent and keep taking those attacks.

That combinations are well damage Wilder and with how Fury take every advantages makes the fight really entertaining.

Fury did a very good game plan, if you notice, he is jabbing but his throwing his right punch when he sees an opening, and it's hard for Wilder to block that as it's coming from above and since Fury is taller and bigger, he was able to utilize that technique properly.
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February 23, 2020, 06:20:09 AM
Good win by Fury, now he has proven that he won that first fight as it's still the same result,. this fight he dominated Wilder and it looks like Wilder forget how to punch because Fury did really have a great job on putting the pressure on Wilder,.. I like him moving forward and he caught Wilder with his good combination.

now we saw a boxers beaten a puncher.
Good job for him as he really dominated this fight leaving Wilder with nothing but only to take those punches. He really proved that he got this one and Wilder unable to prevent and keep taking those attacks.

That combinations are well damage Wilder and with how Fury take every advantages makes the fight really entertaining.
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February 23, 2020, 06:19:35 AM
Somehow I'm a little bit disappointed with the fight, I wanted to see more Smiley
On the weight-in and face-off they seems to be quite equal size, but in the ring Fury was much bigger. I have a feeling, that (again) Wilder was aiming to win by 1 right straight punch. He bet too much on this strategy. That was his mistake. On their first fight, Fury survived 2 knockdown punches, that was not kinda smart to believe in same strategy.

Overall result - as expected, Fury is the kind.

Wilder was disappointed as well, he can still fight but his corner man throw that towel already.
Though Wilder looks unstable but he still has the heart of a champion, his corner should have allowed him to still fight as this guy is a one punch KO, who knows he can hit Fury with in the later round and win the fight by KO.

I don't think it's going to happen, Wilder is really off and badly bleeding and confused, he really don't know how to react because for the first time in his career he is totally dominated and outclassed, he will deny that he is hurt but everyone there watching including the ref, knew it's only a matter of time, the stoppage was correct.


It certainly is the end of Wilder's reign. No one reigns forever and records are here to be broken. Fury was confident and dominant. Wilder enjoyed a good period of time as a champion and it's time someone would replace him. He's getting older and slower and this was coming. Though he can still grab some trophies before his retirement.
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February 23, 2020, 06:09:53 AM
Somehow I'm a little bit disappointed with the fight, I wanted to see more Smiley
On the weight-in and face-off they seems to be quite equal size, but in the ring Fury was much bigger. I have a feeling, that (again) Wilder was aiming to win by 1 right straight punch. He bet too much on this strategy. That was his mistake. On their first fight, Fury survived 2 knockdown punches, that was not kinda smart to believe in same strategy.

Overall result - as expected, Fury is the kind.

Wilder was disappointed as well, he can still fight but his corner man throw that towel already.
Though Wilder looks unstable but he still has the heart of a champion, his corner should have allowed him to still fight as this guy is a one punch KO, who knows he can hit Fury with in the later round and win the fight by KO.

I don't think it's going to happen, Wilder is really off and badly bleeding and confused, he really don't know how to react because for the first time in his career he is totally dominated and outclassed, he will deny that he is hurt but everyone there watching including the ref, knew it's only a matter of time, the stoppage was correct.
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February 23, 2020, 05:52:08 AM
Somehow I'm a little bit disappointed with the fight, I wanted to see more Smiley
On the weight-in and face-off they seems to be quite equal size, but in the ring Fury was much bigger. I have a feeling, that (again) Wilder was aiming to win by 1 right straight punch. He bet too much on this strategy. That was his mistake. On their first fight, Fury survived 2 knockdown punches, that was not kinda smart to believe in same strategy.

Overall result - as expected, Fury is the kind.

If you would listen to Teddy Atlas, a renowned boxing trainer, he says that Wilder is no boxer and the only thing that always bail him out is his one punch KO, that's why they called him the "Eraser". But this time, it is totally different, he couldn't off-set Fury because (1) Tyson is much heavier than him (2) Tyson can take his punch because of the added weight (3) Wilder got knock down, first time in his career and he didn't know how to react.

So yeah, bring Joshua vs Fury next, all British Heavyweight match.
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