Topic: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 5. (Read 4836 times)

I agree with this, but not everyone would agree. The thing is that this notion, that can gamble without money involved, was imposed by books and movies, and some people want to stick with it. Just recently I saw a film, I don't remember the name but it was something in the adventure genre, and at one point the main characters were staying at the fork of road and one said "This way or that way?" and another replied "Let's gamble". See? No money were involved, but it was called "gambling" still. I'm not saying they shouldn't use the word in the film, but here in the Gambling section I think we shouldn't call "gambling" something that doesn't involve betting money.

Yes it is true that many things can be learned using Ai very easily and those who are in this forum at least know about the technology and know about Ai and can use chatGPT.  Yet a problem or suggestion is asked in this forum because Ai and Human are never the same.  You will get different answers from different people here but Ai will always give you the same quality answer. This is why not everyone is willing to use AI for every purpose

I don't think that training AI would do any help to cheat out a casino because most of the casinos have made their games in a way that even AI is not able to cheat those. I'm quite sure that they have set some anti-AI mechanisms to prevent all types of AI cheats because the owners of the casinos know very well that in this age and time AI is trying to dominate every area of our technical world, and that's why they would of course be working on scripts to avoid all AI related cheats.

A programmer who is often good at creating AI will of course find a way to manipulate one or two of the games of a casino but as soon as the casino finds out that the user is trying to use other means to have advantage over their algorithm then they ban that user without any warning. The often change their algorithms if they find that their previous algorithm has been hacked with the help of AI training.

If a person does not know how to train AI, and does not have IT knowledge, he will never succeed in cheating a casino. A week ago I became interested in neural networks, I was interested in how logic works and I wanted to understand how simple it is. Two days later, I was already perfectly generating an image in the telegram bot in stable diffusion. But this is only because I have some IT knowledge, and the bot interface was basically clear. But if you need a program that will help in gambling, then of course it will not be publicly available anywhere, and its interface will not be simple. Only if it is a special paid program.

And that means we also have to learn more before using AI like you. Perhaps, it's a form of AI for now where we have to train it before the AI can work the way we want. It looks like a pre-existing bot because we train it first, whereas if the bot already exists, we provide settings for the commands it executes. But what if the circumstances don't match what you've trained the AI for? Does the AI adjust immediately or do you still provide direct handling too? It means that at least we understand the use of AI well so that AI can run the way we want.

It is that in any game you can bet anything, it has nothing to do with whether it is money or not, the idea is that you bet something to add emotion to the bets, there is no other choice, in what personally, I would say that we could do many things taking advantage of the game.

When we play without betting anything and for fun it is also valid, it may be that things or money are not bet, but if there are tasks or challenges, the idea is that it gives you excitement so that it is quite exciting, unless they are participating with someone to say who is the best in the game, which is also a game and you bet something imperceptible.

When we bet online and if it is a game where there are many playing the same game, for example in a PVP the emotion is greater, then here in this type of case the emotion increases when there is money involved.

As I have said in the thread, when we bet without money, it can be for educational purposes, just to be able to take advantage and learn everything about the platform and the game, to know well what the game is like and how to play without money. to be wrong, that is the idea for me to play in test mode, as a challenge if there are people who like to try the games that is another thing, but it is also good to do it.

There are many who say that playing in demo mode is a waste of time, they may be absolutely right, but as far as I am concerned, everything that others say and think is respectable, some players know very well what the game is like and understand every detail of the game, but there are others who do not have the same understanding.

The fact is only a percentage of the lot are able to evaluate a possible outcome. Whereas a large number are just losing it and going into large debt. I recently tried an AI to predict my outcome. While playing dice with a small amount I thought why not ask an AI for the next outcome? I gave the AI what it needed to get a logical output. Things did not go well as you need to first train the AI. As training took some time but the desired output (meaning profit) was not getting generated. What happened was fantastic as the AI was able to predict to an extent the outcome. What I wrote was to make you understand that we do have other options to help us. What we need is to understand how to work around it.

If we look at it from a guessing system, maybe this can really be related to trading on a demo account, but in my opinion this assumption is not quite right when it is associated with a demo account that doesn't have real bets in it, because gambling is very much related to money as the stake. Gambling and trading are quite similar, especially in terms of self-control, risk and psychology, but there are some differences in how to do it, but indeed it all comes back to the point of view of each person. Totally agree with what you said that money is the main backbone in gambling. If indeed there is a bet that is exactly the same as gambling but you don't see the money in it, maybe it will only give pleasure to that person without getting any consequences from the bet. Prizes or winnings from gambling are actually really wanted by everyone and it is undeniable that everyone needs money, but on the other hand not many do it because maybe the risk in gambling is very big and indeed this only relies on luck without any consistent winning streak in it. .

Yep, that is a fact of life, gambling is taking chances and while some people are better at evaluating possible outcomes, most people, and this is scientifically proven, pretty much suck at evaluating risks. And it is something that goes with age and experience also, older people or people with experience on a certain field are slightly better at fining the right decissions.

We are saying the same thing. Somthing must be staked and it must not be physical something. Like the children race you used as an instance, the punch that the loser gets is the loss and the pleasure that the winner derives in punching is the win.

Just like in the olden days people gamble with life, when you lose you are dead. That is very weird and yet it is gambling and people practised it. You must have something to lose to qualify as gambling.

But what if the object is not money, meaning that if we guess something and guess it correctly, we get a reward in kind?
That also includes gambling, right? Because there is a prize behind us guessing it. But if we just guess and there are no rewards or prizes, it's not gambling.
For example, we guess who will qualify for the final round with friends and don't tie it with prizes for those who guess it. That's not gambling.
But usually, when they are bored because there is no prize, they immediately change it to have a prize for the winner.
And even though it's not using money but goods, it's still called gambling because there are prizes.

Aside the possibility to gamble with real money on the real casino and the possibility to gamble with a visual money on a demo casino, what else could be the difference in the two?, maybe you mind explaining further on this since i personally would like to learn the difference.
Is it possible that in the demo casino script, demo players win more easily since the winning is not real money?, if yes, how can i or we believe this to be true?

I personally have always seen the demo versions of casinos as a platform to learn a thing or two about some games, the same way traders learn trading by first practicing trading on a demo account, and me being someone who many a times play on demo mode on casino when i have no money to do real gambling, it has never occurred to me that the script for demo version of a casino is different from the real casino, aside the visual and real money difference which is actually supposed to be so.

Of course, this use of demo games is also possible.  I can understand that it can really help to relax and just have a little fun. 
But in my post I said that using a demo game to develop skills in some kind of gambling for money, or even more so for training in practical trading, is still not worth it, because using the demo version develops slightly incorrect skills in terms of obtaining  you profit or minimize the loss of money.  This happens, in my opinion, on a subconscious level, even if you yourself are sure that training on a demo account goes exactly the same as with a small amount on a real account.  I think there is still a difference. 
Well, just for fun, of course, you can play the demo.

I guess it depends on your definition of harmful. I use demo games often for fun, to reset my head. To relax my brain when i don't have to think anything. Just look at the screen and enjoy. I do that with mobile games that have nothing to do with casinos as well. Of course i know i am not gaining any skills or building anything useful but that's the whole point.

I don't think everything should be measured on how productive and efficient things are. And even if they would be measured by that, sometimes brains overloaded with expectations and work and when everything is circulating around profitability and productivity, you sometimes need to just relax and think of nothing. Obviously you could do that without any screen, but not all brains are wired in same way and people have different ways to relax. I am using demo games for that these days.

Gambling that does not involve money is just like we are trading on a demo account. Those that know what they are doing will understand that it is totally unnecessary to gamble with money. Money is the backbone on all gambling activities because the money involved will make everyone to come for the money and earn some good profits. When money is not involved or financial materials and object, people are not going to take that seriously because they have nothing to lose at the end of everything. Whether we gamble rarely or often, money is what makes us want to gamble more as a gambler.

I could say that in games of chance if sports betting is included it is a good way to win and be very sure of it, however when we play a slot machine or something like that in a casino, we can be lucky and have a good profit, but sports bets are more given to what we know and not to what we can leave to chance, I have seen that if we are fans of a specific sport we know so much that we could even place bets and these bets could win them, so why? not take advantage of that Knowledge that is There?

As active casino players, and as bettors, we know that the difference is very notable, in a casino, when we play roulette, dice, luck is what tells us what we can and cannot do, on the other hand, in dpoertia bets, at least I I have a high probability of successes, because I am very aware of the soccer leagues, especially the European ones, because that is where I consider that this is concentrating the greatest interest of the most famous players, although now they are going a lot to the Middle East, so when we bet on a team, we know we are betting because we know that team, its players, coach and what the players are capable of.

For every f game, the Story is different, there is always something that is not seen in another game , what I see is that sports betting players have more money than those who play in a casino ,  whether online or Physical.

I agree with your opinion, that the name of gambling is not only fixated on money. Another word for gambling is betting, and meanwhile a person can gamble not only with money alone, but it could be goods or property assets that are used as collateral for betting. And it is true that betting using goods or property assets occurs more often in friendship circles. Meanwhile, for casinos, especially online gambling, most of them use money as collateral to bet or change it in the form of chips. So for certain places "you have money please play, your money is finished please go and if you don't have money don't come here.

If someone is betting without losing any kind of money, the emotion and tention that comes with gambling will not be there.
It will just simply look like a child's play and that I will not strongly call gambling.
However, it is said that gambling is for fun. If the statement is to be true and someone is having fun making gambling that does not involve money. That means they are fulfilling the part of the gambling that is fun and not to damage emotion or lead to addiction.

Yes, you are right that it cannot be said to be gambling if without money, even though demo money cannot be said to be gambling either because with demo money gamblers can only play for testing the game, not more than that, therefore without money it cannot be called gambling. because gambling requires an item or object of value to bet on, it doesn't have to be money, it can be in the form of an asset or something like a vehicle.

I also often bet with my friends, sometimes using my cellphone, I don't have to use money when I want to bet with my friends, and I can use my cellphone for my bets or vehicles, even though it's not required, as long as I gamble with other people, there's no problem except betting. with bookies, of course it will be difficult and high risk.

While technically it could be called gambling, it's definitely not in the same league as risking real money on a bet. With virtual currency, that has no exchangeable value, you can never judge the quality of your opponent and their betting patterns almost become meaningless - so it's hard to improve or derive practical knowledge if your intention was to convert to paid betting later. As the person placing the bet, you will be more likely to take time and think through your betting strategy when real money is at risk.