Topic: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? - page 9. (Read 4836 times)

The only problem on using small money is you will be limited to play games that has a low minimum bet amount or you might get bored long term if your balance is just progressing by cents while spending a lot of time on gambling. Casino games has demo version which I will rather use if I want try casino games instead of using small amount of money just to have low risk game.

For me, Risk is what makes gambling exciting and different to the normal games without money involved. It very hard to enjoy gambling using very small amount of money. By small amount means a profit that is just a penny.

I like the concluding part, some of us gamble for fun, and it's not always about movies as movies and other entertaining means boring someone at times. I never read of gambling as fun in the forum when I discuss this last year, anyone could gamble for their peculiar reasons, but no matter the reasons we are doing it, let's use our brains and moderate everything. Someone like me that gamble for fun uses a little amount of money for it.

I will again like to also support you that fun might not be linked to money, but still, in that case, note that gambling is no more involved, you are just having fun with what you love doing.

Hey man, I get it. You make a good case for how gaming is so centred on individualism. For other people, winning isn't about the excitement of competition or the prospect of material gain; it's about bolstering an already inflated sense of self-importance. Regarding the sour aftertaste, you make an excellent point. When someone joins a game with no other goal than to prove themselves superior, it defeats the purpose of the activity, doesn't it? And you're right. Whether they succeed or fail, you'll still have to deal with the aftermath of their ego trip. But you shouldn't let them ruin the fun for you. Don't let their disrespect stop you from playing the games you love. Don't forget that the point is to have fun

In your last statement in which I bold caught my attention. There's a slight difference between gaming and gambling thou people use it interchangeably and synonymously without regarding their differences. Gaming is for entertainment while gambling has to do with expecting something in return. Of course, there's a consequences attached to both with different class of damage associated with each. For the former is emotional damage while the latter is faced with financial and emotional damage.

OP, once there's reward it's gambling.

Not every positive experience has to have a monetary reward is a good point. If we go back to the idea that everything has to be monetized, then we will never experience pleasure. I liken it to when we are on vacation for example, we will spend money and it will give us a reciprocal pleasure that we will not be able to feel in other things. Likewise with gambling, maybe some people will say it's just wasting money, but for those of us who seek pleasure in gambling it is a form of entertainment that we don't get in other things.

The thrill of wagering, particularly on a game, evokes a distinct kind of memory of times past. Its almost like we're back in the playground, betting on which toy would win. Money has simply taken the place of playthings. The excitement is largely the same, however, so it makes sense.

Although, I do believe that money shouldnt be the driving force behind everything. Although wagering might add a bit of excitement, not every positive experience needs to have a monetary payoff. There are instances when the sheer excitement of competing might be more rewarding than the actual outcome. Of course, we must also remember the limitations of this strategy. There are greater risks and consequences when money is involved. Please dont lets lose sight of the fact that the primary purpose of gaming is entertainment.

I agree with this argument of yours.  It is absolutely true that in life we ​​really do periodically meet such people who have really exorbitantly large ego.  
And to assert their dominance, they sometimes even commit very unseemly actions.  In particular, even if you play some kind of game that cannot be called gambling, and which are discussed in this topic, with such a person, then if he wins, then for him it may even be more important than the money he won in any  gambling.  Such an egoist immediately gains self-conceit because he is once again convinced of his dominance over other people, and naturally over those who played with him.  
To be honest, it is very unpleasant for me to play any games of chance and games that are not related to gambling (as it is understood here in the texts of your posts by all of us) with such a person.  
Because if he wins, he will become proud, and if he loses, he will treat you badly and wary.

Maybe we have slightly different views on this, in terms of what you said is their reputation you gave an example when people who always think they are right, for me it is not gambling more like a gamble on self-esteem. I mean behind that there will definitely be people who aim to prove that he is not that perfect (always right) so they do some kind of proof, and more want to make him feel embarrassed in front of many people. I think this is a different thing, because in gambling no one aims to humiliate their opponent.
But again this is according to each perception.

Therefore I often say that everyone's perception will be different and we cannot expect other people to have the same thoughts as us, so that in terms of gambling there must be differences and suits for every gambler.
If I myself could say that gambling is really pure when there are a number of benefits at stake from both parties, be it in the form of money or valuables.

So that's what I meant from the previous feedback.
But I admit that the notion of gambling can be misinterpreted by some people who don't have much knowledge about gambling, but I don't mind it because they might misinterpret it because they don't like gambling.
There are many things that can be at stake and we often do in our daily life, but it's just that we don't really realize it.

That is just what makes the game interesting, money, when there is money in a game things will always be more interesting, exciting and fair, because most players like bets, age does not matter, because being risking that is something it makes them feel more alive, that's why games of chance are called that, because they have money associated with them.

I have played some games without betting money, but just playing for the sake of playing and you can also have fun just because things are not as good as when they are done with money, because that way if it attracts attention and all the time it will be about if you win or lost money. The emotions of gambling with bets and everything that has to do with bets is better with money, otherwise it is child's play.

Exactly, I think that when talking about games of chance the word educational sounds very little, but it really is very necessary, because the risk that is being taken is money, all games of chance if you don't need to bet money I think you would not have the same emotion that arouses in people, as I said, gambling in demo mode is for people to know well the specific tools of each game and when playing with the real mode of real money they do not make mistakes.

Demo modes, like play money, some don't take it, because they think they're too big and say they understand the game, but when they lose and see that it's because they didn't use certain options, that's when they worry about learning, that's why it's always important If you don't know everything, play in demo mode, which is usually boring but special so that all doubts come out.

Especially when it comes to slots, the first thing I do is restart the demo mode because I know that this will help me at a good time, however, when we think that things are getting out of control, it could be said that with play money any mistake is forgivable. That is why I give the required importance to it, but in my way of thinking, it is how I avoid accidents where I lose money, because if I lose money it cannot be recovered so easily, and for gambling the most we should avoid is losing money due to mistakes or oversights.

Sometimes what is at stake is something that is not even physical, one example of this is reputation, there are many people out there with big egos that believe they are always right, so if two people like that were to gamble about an uncertain outcome even if no money or something with a monetary value was exchanged, as long as one won and the other lost then the gambler that lost will feel they lost face or some of their reputation, making such a bet an act of gambling in my mind.

And what about the fact that the very feeling that you won even in such a funny game, or rather a dispute, when the prize is a pack of cigarettes.  All the same, we must agree that your own feelings of winning or losing are still completely different. 

Judging by the way the Oxford Dictionary interprets the term "gambling", then apparently it means the loss or acquisition, respectively, in the event of losing or winning some material value, well, or just money.  And if, as a result of such a game, you just had fun and got in a good mood, then it probably cannot be considered a reliable gambling game.  In fact, it is not clear where such a border lies when a game can be considered gambling, and when it is not.?

In gambling there is something at stake, not just money, but perhaps valuable goods as you said. If there is nothing at stake then it cannot be called gambling.
As is the case with what I experienced myself with my friend when watching football for example, especially if there is a competition between community groups / villages or so on, I usually bet with my friend with a pack of cigarettes, yes that's to make the atmosphere more tense when watching the match, yes even though in the end we consumed the cigarettes together. Lol

I don' agree with your opinion, we should take the reference as the basis for this topic, based on the Oxford Dictionary, it says that Gambling is "The activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes".

So it means that, all activities which allow us to earn money by playing like guessing scores or guessing anything is an activity with the opportunity to earn money, so it means that it's still gambling, even if it's without money (for this case is Superpicks.com) or capital at all or playing for free on that site.

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Well, to be sincere with you, playing a game where you stand a chance to win money, where as you did not spend money ultimately might not be considered as gambling, but still, it give some kind of gambling effect..

I remember last year during 2022 world cup, several crypto exchange s offered their users the ability to bet on who will win in most of the matches, the betting were mostly free, but it was still betting, I remember winning most of the games I betted on, while I lost some, but again, I also remember the feeling I used to get while watching those games I better on, and expecting a positive outcome, it no different from the way I use to feel when I have money at stake.

So to be sincere, it's a reward, but it's still gambling.

I believe that it's considered as gambling once you risk something that is valuable in exchange for something more valuable. Regardless if it's in monetary or other non cash assets or property. As long as it has value and you bet on it, it's gambling. But if you play or bet on something without spending money and  without winning a real money then it's just like a game purely for entertainment. However, there are also instances where you can win money without spending money. But for me, it's like a sort of reward just like what you see on tv. They play games without spending anything but still have a chance of winning money.

   -  Future trading is a very high risk, if you don't have knowledge you are really gambling money there, which is no different from gambling. That the average loss is too high like playing gambling in a casino.

That's why when I gamble, it's usually only on slot games so even without a demo, you can start betting here. So what you mentioned is also correct and I do not oppose it. The only thing I don't understand is how you get 80% winnings in gambling.

I guess it heavily depends on the individual, for me however the fun element (of gambling specifically) is not there if the financial risk and reward is missing. However you can see in certain scenarios that some people get joy from virtual money/item gambling, when you see the popularity of things like counter strike go item betting. However even in that scenario there was a cash out value inherently linked to each item. I remember playing virtual money poker and it is nothing like the real game because the tactics seem to be missing in comparison, nobody wants to wait around 20 hands for the perfect combo when so little comes of it.

Well risking money or the things that worth money is same because they only bet with the items that can be sold without any issue and that's why when they win the bet then they can have that item as a winning bet. In order to gamble we'll always have to risk money or something that has a worth and can be sold later on. A gambler who doesn't bets with money or with items that worth money isn't a gambler at all, and I would consider such person as a kid who loves to play video games with virtual money that has no element of winning or losing.

A gambler is either a winner or a loser depending on his/her luck or the amount of win rate or loss rate they have in their gambling life. If someone who consistently wins the bets then I would consider such a gambler as a winner because such people are quite sure that their luck is in their favor and on whatever game they bet their rate is winning is higher than others. However if someone who consistently faces losses in gambling then I would consider such a gambler as a pure loser, and it's always better for such people to give up on gambling if they don't want to lose everything.