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A good example of this is the Flappy Coin apk that used to pay BTC some years ago, it didn't have a cost to play and we had the chance to walk away with money, for me that's gambling.

every game that people bet money or some good is considered a game of chance, in a basketball or soccer match or video game in which people don't bet money or some good will be considered a simple game, there are countries where gambling are prohibited, but there are video games and people play without problems because the government allows it because they are not being considered gambling, but if two people take the video game and organize a tournament in which each person puts a certain amount of money and have a video game dispute in which each person who put in the money plays, so the winner of the tournament takes all the money, it will not be considered gambling

soon it would be allowed, but the scenario would change when the same people decide to organize a video game tournament and other people bet (put money or some good) on who will be the winner of the tournament, then this will be considered a gambling and will be prohibited in that country in which the government prohibited gambling, and it is always good for people to be careful with these differences, although they seem small differences, still in practice it is something very different because it has consequences in case of any infraction of the laws placed in that country
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It's a really good way of looking at it, well maybe you pick up the skills faster than me, sometimes I've tried to do that and I make mistakes that sometimes cost me some money that I need later to develop a better game, but what? that? Maybe I am very prepared when it comes to doing anything in the casino, but I know myself, I prefer to spend a lot of time in the demo part to learn well each tool that the game offers us and then when I feel confident Good My real bets are I do it with real money, maybe I'm a bit methodical, but I've learned that with money you shouldn't lose like that.

I give a lot of importance to playing in demo mode, because I saw the importance of demo mode from the moment I started trading, specifically in an exchange where, because I thought I knew how to put a position well, what I did was make a profit that I already had lose, so that bothered me a lot, because of that mistake I lasted 3 days in demo mode and learned many things, that's why I apply that same teaching to casino games, the truth is I don't like losing money in a stupid way , I like to do things well, but of course, there are people who have a better understanding of the tools of casinos and exchanges.

I know that there are many people who think like me, but there are also others who believe that it is a waste of time and I understand them, the emotion, the adrenaline of playing is something that makes us unique when facing the challenges of the casinos.


Discussing the amount of money that needs to be entered into the exchange so that there is a feeling that you are not trading in vain, I meant a very small amount.
And I am sure that this small amount will influence the style of trading and the responsibility of decisions much more than any, even the most huge demo account. The fact is that we think not only by measures, but also by facts. It means that in fact you are playing for money, even if it is one dollar. But this is a real dollar!
And you can't find it on the street, you can only earn it. This means that subconsciously in your training trading you will act much more consciously.
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For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;
  •   Money
  •   Property
  •   Time
must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.

I so much believe in this idea, there must be something to stand as stake for it to be regarded as gambling, this stake can come in any form and we can choose whatever option being affordable for us base on the agreement and conditions on gambling with those that are involved, this will show as a proof of how determined we are in making the bet and what we can call the whole play being gambling and if not otherwise, we are only making entertainment together with other forms of play when we did not bet with something, it's can't be termed gambling.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
Yes this can be called gambling because it involves staking and predicting a result,  I have seen the announcement of this free prediction game popping up of that event comes up on my dstv app,  but from the terms and conditions of the game, I discovered that it was almost impossible to win since the entry requirement and winner selection process.

Just like picking a jackpot ticket,  where player stakes their money,  but this one is in a form of a loyalty reward for their customer so dstfacesce the cost but that doesn't change the fact that this is still gambling.
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When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.
For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;
  •  Money
  •  Property
  •  Time
must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.
How about a dare or an effort? It is not always about physical items. Let's say what we've done when we were children: we kind of bet, like, Let's have a race, If you'll go first, you'll punch me; if not, I'll punch you, or something like this. As long as it has a return, it is still gambling. It is not always a bigger reward; it is also having fun with it, but again, we do have our own perspectives on this.
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Here I think that the issue of gambling/non-gambling is not solved quite so simply.  

It's simple, if there is money involved then is gambling, and if users are playing just to have fun without money involved then it's gaming.

In the OP post, we can deduct it's gambling because even if we are not risking our money we can win money with the predictions. And that's why I think that chance to end with profit makes from those kinds of bets gambling.

A good example of this is the Flappy Coin apk that used to pay BTC some years ago, it didn't have a cost to play and we had the chance to walk away with money, for me that's gambling.
Not certainly in that way.  
For those communities and peoples where money is an absolute priority and actually stands above God and divine manifestations in people's lives, this definition ("gambling") is really concrete and determined exclusively by money.  This, for example, is confirmed by the Encyclopædia Britannica for the corresponding global totality of the population of a part of the globe.  In other communities and peoples, where money can never be higher than divine providence!  , gambling can also be used to define simply "games" in the concept of the same Encyclopædia Britannica.  So much in the understanding of what is discussed in this topic, and the difference in this understanding, depends on the belonging of a particular person to a certain community.  
I now think that this is something like this, although I explained it rather superficially, but I hope it is clear.

For this reason, the question posed by the OP is worth looking at as a perfectly legitimate and interesting question.  The solution of which does not seem as simple as it seemed at first to many here on the forum.
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When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.
For it to be gambling, you must have something you have set up to lose in order to recieve a bigger reward. This means your;
  •   Money
  •   Property
  •   Time
must be staked before it is called gambling.
What you explained seems to have a deviation from Op who was saying about Super sports pick.
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When there is no money involved that doesn't mean to be gambling. There are lot many choices available to start our gambling activities. The very first thing being the usage of demo account as well as the play tokens. When we play using those demo and play tokens we'll have the thinking that gambling is the same. Here they'll be able to make good winning and accumulate more play tokens. This gives the confidence and they start to gamble with real money. First of all they should understand that the script being used with the demo and the real gambling platforms were different.
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Gambling is everywhere, it is just that we do not understand what we are doing, even something as simple as driving a car is a gamble, as you are taking the bet that by using such a medium of transportation you will arrive faster to your job or wherever you want to go, while you take the risk of suffering an accident on the process, now this is a pretty safe bet, but it is still a bet as you are risking something on an outcome that is not known beforehand.
Does that counts?

I don't want you beleive that but, I hope it doesn't as
We can't technically associate whatever that has a risk factor with gambling. If that be the case, then gambling would pretty much be everything. Even having go breath would be some form of gamble as you could breath some infested air and end up poisoning your lungs which eventually kills you.

So yeah, everything with a risk factor don't technically fall under the gambling classification. I'll take it to be, a bet between parties on a possible outcome and there have got to be a risked item upon triumph or failure.
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Nevertheless, Forex and gambling have very similar financial instruments for making money, which completely erase the line between trading and gambling. So - on Forex there is such a contract called an Option. An option is such a tool when you predict that the price of a certain currency pair will be lower or higher after a while, and if you guess, you will get +100 percent to the deposit. Does it remind you of anything? This is a one-on-one roulette game for red and black. At the same time, since our topic is about games and trading not for money, then why that Options can be used on demo accounts.
The question is very good, but I think that things can be given as a demo account to verify that things in demo mode, such as the money is fictitious, the person plays calmer without fear of losing because he knows that he will not lose anything, then the tools that exist both in casinos and on exchanges is what we must know how to understand, why? because when we play or trade on a casino platform or when we trade real money, if we make a mistake because we don't understand the tools well, we lose money.

In casino games we must understand everything, what each thing is for, because we don't know if we can use it at any given time to save our investment, I think that's why there is always a demo mode with play money.

In conclusion, I think that when you play anything without including money, it can become boring at times, but when we put money automatically, the emotion will be rotten, so it could be said that the game in demo mode and/or with play money is for educational purposes and to be able to do things much better, so as not to have mistakes when playing for real money.

My own experience clearly shows that using demo accounts and practicing your actions on a demo account is not just a waste of time, but also a completely harmful activity for the simple reason that it takes your time and does not allow you to really develop the necessary skills.  It is much better and more correct to use not a demo version in trading and games, but very small real deposits in cryptocurrency.  For example, a few dollars, losing which is almost imperceptible to your budget. 
Thus, you will develop the necessary skills much faster and more correctly.

It's a really good way of looking at it, well maybe you pick up the skills faster than me, sometimes I've tried to do that and I make mistakes that sometimes cost me some money that I need later to develop a better game, but what? that? Maybe I am very prepared when it comes to doing anything in the casino, but I know myself, I prefer to spend a lot of time in the demo part to learn well each tool that the game offers us and then when I feel confident Good My real bets are I do it with real money, maybe I'm a bit methodical, but I've learned that with money you shouldn't lose like that.

I give a lot of importance to playing in demo mode, because I saw the importance of demo mode from the moment I started trading, specifically in an exchange where, because I thought I knew how to put a position well, what I did was make a profit that I already had lose, so that bothered me a lot, because of that mistake I lasted 3 days in demo mode and learned many things, that's why I apply that same teaching to casino games, the truth is I don't like losing money in a stupid way , I like to do things well, but of course, there are people who have a better understanding of the tools of casinos and exchanges.

I know that there are many people who think like me, but there are also others who believe that it is a waste of time and I understand them, the emotion, the adrenaline of playing is something that makes us unique when facing the challenges of the casinos.
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Here I think that the issue of gambling/non-gambling is not solved quite so simply. 

It's simple, if there is money involved then is gambling, and if users are playing just to have fun without money involved then it's gaming.

In the OP post, we can deduct it's gambling because even if we are not risking our money we can win money with the predictions. And that's why I think that chance to end with profit makes from those kinds of bets gambling.

A good example of this is the Flappy Coin apk that used to pay BTC some years ago, it didn't have a cost to play and we had the chance to walk away with money, for me that's gambling.
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Some people simply don't understand the fact that the games that are generally used for gambling can also be used just for playing without gambling on them, and games or events that are not usually used for gambling can be used for gambling if there is money or valuables at stake because a group of friends might play a game using a deck of cards without betting anything and that wouldn't be considered gambling but someone might bet on the outcome of a general event happening in the future and that will be considered gambling.

It is a very simple thing, gambling is when you have something up at stake, and when you lose, you lose the money, but when you are playing a game where you don't have anything up at stake and you don't lose anything, you cannot consider that to be gambling even if you can win something.
Gambling is everywhere, it is just that we do not understand what we are doing, even something as simple as driving a car is a gamble, as you are taking the bet that by using such a medium of transportation you will arrive faster to your job or wherever you want to go, while you take the risk of suffering an accident on the process, now this is a pretty safe bet, but it is still a bet as you are risking something on an outcome that is not known beforehand.
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Games that previously did not use money can eventually use the money if the people who play them feel pleasure while playing. This has often happened because they didn't want to play gambling and just played normally. But after tasting the game and wanting to get some more fun, they decide to use the money between them. The winner will get the money, while the loser has to acknowledge the winner's ability. This we often experience with our friends when we play PlayStation or something else. And if it's like that, isn't that gambling? And on that site, previously, we only guessed who won, but later there will be bets, and maybe the site will also create its own token.
Of course it is. If you put your money at stake, be it betting on the weather tomorrow or on your coworker showing up on time the next day, it's all gambling, although you could do same "bets" before without staking any money and it wasn't gambling then.

But please notice that we would never have thought of calling it gambling when no money was involved. That's why I think that the games that potentially can be played for money shouldn't be called "gambling" while there's no money yet.
Some people simply don't understand the fact that the games that are generally used for gambling can also be used just for playing without gambling on them, and games or events that are not usually used for gambling can be used for gambling if there is money or valuables at stake because a group of friends might play a game using a deck of cards without betting anything and that wouldn't be considered gambling but someone might bet on the outcome of a general event happening in the future and that will be considered gambling.

It is a very simple thing, gambling is when you have something up at stake, and when you lose, you lose the money, but when you are playing a game where you don't have anything up at stake and you don't lose anything, you cannot consider that to be gambling even if you can win something.
Here I think that the issue of gambling/non-gambling is not solved quite so simply. 

And the main thing, besides the fact of winning or losing money or some other valuable things, is also the process of the game itself when you are worried and happy or sad in case of a loss.  Of course, I understand that it is impossible to evaluate these feelings of yours with money or some equivalent, but for example, I can remember what feelings you experience during a football match, when your favorite team, for example, wins, or, unfortunately, loses.  Agree these experiences are very different.  And of course it's better when the football team wins. 
But if you just came to the stadium to watch the match and did not bet on the game, then the same is true for the areas of such games that are discussed in this topic.
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Games that previously did not use money can eventually use the money if the people who play them feel pleasure while playing. This has often happened because they didn't want to play gambling and just played normally. But after tasting the game and wanting to get some more fun, they decide to use the money between them. The winner will get the money, while the loser has to acknowledge the winner's ability. This we often experience with our friends when we play PlayStation or something else. And if it's like that, isn't that gambling? And on that site, previously, we only guessed who won, but later there will be bets, and maybe the site will also create its own token.
Of course it is. If you put your money at stake, be it betting on the weather tomorrow or on your coworker showing up on time the next day, it's all gambling, although you could do same "bets" before without staking any money and it wasn't gambling then.

But please notice that we would never have thought of calling it gambling when no money was involved. That's why I think that the games that potentially can be played for money shouldn't be called "gambling" while there's no money yet.
Some people simply don't understand the fact that the games that are generally used for gambling can also be used just for playing without gambling on them, and games or events that are not usually used for gambling can be used for gambling if there is money or valuables at stake because a group of friends might play a game using a deck of cards without betting anything and that wouldn't be considered gambling but someone might bet on the outcome of a general event happening in the future and that will be considered gambling.

It is a very simple thing, gambling is when you have something up at stake, and when you lose, you lose the money, but when you are playing a game where you don't have anything up at stake and you don't lose anything, you cannot consider that to be gambling even if you can win something.
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I think the continuation of this thread is getting far from the original post, title, and agenda. You see, that is why gambling is called the courage sport. Only the strong prevail. If you are not prepared to lose psychologically, mentally, and financially. Even if the game is not starting yet, you're more likely to lose. It's not only your money that is your betting with. It's also your hope. So when you lose, you also lose some part of yourself. It is a sport because in this game winning and losing is a normal part of the game. For entertainment? probably. to make money? Sure! but only for those who are disciplined and responsible gamblers.

Gambling with your hope such that when you lose, you lose emotionally and physiologically is not a welcome development.
I see that so many people preach that we should take gambling as a fun but in practice only few people do that.
In practice the real definition of gambling foe fun is when money is not involved. Immediately money is involved, emotion is attached to I.
Betting money is called gambling, it can be anywhere or for any reason. And it can be online or offline. but if one plays games which are used for gambling but no money is used and no valuable thing is exchanged then it cannot be called gambling. so in a word it can be said that if money is not used it cannot be called gambling.

This issue has already been discussed a lot so I don't think it is necessary to discuss it further.  So this topic should be locked now
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Games that previously did not use money can eventually use the money if the people who play them feel pleasure while playing. This has often happened because they didn't want to play gambling and just played normally. But after tasting the game and wanting to get some more fun, they decide to use the money between them. The winner will get the money, while the loser has to acknowledge the winner's ability. This we often experience with our friends when we play PlayStation or something else. And if it's like that, isn't that gambling? And on that site, previously, we only guessed who won, but later there will be bets, and maybe the site will also create its own token.

Of course it is. If you put your money at stake, be it betting on the weather tomorrow or on your coworker showing up on time the next day, it's all gambling, although you could do same "bets" before without staking any money and it wasn't gambling then.

But please notice that we would never have thought of calling it gambling when no money was involved. That's why I think that the games that potentially can be played for money shouldn't be called "gambling" while there's no money yet.
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I think the continuation of this thread is getting far from the original post, title, and agenda. You see, that is why gambling is called the courage sport. Only the strong prevail. If you are not prepared to lose psychologically, mentally, and financially. Even if the game is not starting yet, you're more likely to lose. It's not only your money that is your betting with. It's also your hope. So when you lose, you also lose some part of yourself. It is a sport because in this game winning and losing is a normal part of the game. For entertainment? probably. to make money? Sure! but only for those who are disciplined and responsible gamblers.

Gambling with your hope such that when you lose, you lose emotionally and physiologically is not a welcome development.
I see that so many people preach that we should take gambling as a fun but in practice only few people do that.
In practice the real definition of gambling foe fun is when money is not involved. Immediately money is involved, emotion is attached to I.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
Although this website appears to be a domestic one I would limit it to Free Spain. Basically, if you create an account here, you will be given a bonus that you can gamble with. Here you may need to deposit your money if you can successfully claim your bonuses. You can increase your money by betting with the bonuses you get here. And if you can win your prize then your prediction is good and can bet from here. And if you play with the rewards you get from this bonus, you don't have to deposit money there and get profit from here.
Though i do not quite understand what all that you have said, but then, let me just say that the site op mentioned, though ive not visited to see for my self how it works, but according to OPs description, i will call the site a giveaway site rather than qualify it for a gambling casino, if there are no means to deposit on the site, its just visit the site, sign up and start predicting the outcome of matches, and win money if prediction is correct, then its a giveaway site, could be a site built by supersports to use as a medium of giving back to their loyal sports fans - like i said before, i did or have not visited the site, all i have said is simply based on OPs description.
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There is nothing to think about once you become a gambling addict, your sense of thinking will be shut down, and the only thing left in your brain is when you will make it with gambling, you will keep dreaming about how you will buy a mansion and Lamborghini.

If you put in the strength to change a gambler, you could get somewhere for a few days and weeks, and once you leave them alone, they will start dreaming of the possibility that they could win a shot, a single shot will turn into 100s of a failed attempt and money would have been spent too many times already.

For the same reason, when a person feels like this, they must undergo psychological treatment quickly because otherwise they will continue to endanger their lives, a person who is addicted and has a lot of money, because it is not that much that affects them. he spends and spends his money and that is like nothing, but for a person who is not a millionaire and who plays and loses a lot, there will come a time when he has no more money to play with and that is when he begins to look for money from where O In order to continue playing, he lends, steals, spends what belongs to his family, and may fall into depression, that is what must be avoided.

As I have said before, things when it comes to money and addiction can change a lot, because at one point an addicted person is capable of looking for money from the most difficult corners, whether it is looking for bank loans, loans with relatives, money loans with friends, and the worst thing is that instead of winning in the casino, the opposite happens and despair is greater, these things are like that, it is what should be avoided.

It's true; people battling addiction often find themselves in financial quicksand. The situation intensifies for those who don't have the 'moneybags' privilege. There's an urgent need to address this - fast.

Now, let's tackle the thorny issue of 'financial disparity'. For the wealthy addicts, the loss is negligible (talk about a convenient safety net!). But, for the not-so-lucky, it's like hitting a double-whammy. Losing money is bad enough; getting into debt compounds the problem, turning life into a grim version of 'Deal or No Deal'.

The spiral of despair, as you mentioned, is a perilous pitfall. It's like a constant losing streak in the most ruthless casino—life. And the drive to keep finding money from 'difficult corners', ah, that's the dicey part. I agree, it's an 'avoid at all costs' scenario.

From the point of view of an addicted but wealthy person, things can be normal for that type of person , because spending money when you have a lot is insignificant , I think that for some Families that have this type of person, they prefer that they spend a lot of money in a Casino than on drugs or alcoholic beverages, and when this type of case happens, the player or those people get bored of casinos and look for another type of activity that makes them feel like they have more adrenaline, but when this happens, the problems increase, I know many who They are like that, on the other hand, for a common player who is not or does not have that economic Capacity , they are the ones who have the most problems, because they can fall into addiction and do not recognize it, and I think that when recognition is very difficult for them to Return to their Natural State, because they need Strong Treatment, some Medicate them.

Every addiction Problem should always Look for the way it is treated , because in any case things can get out of control and need to be treated Quickly, there are people who are usually very extremists and make decisions with a high degree of danger, you should always be Attentive to these things because in general these people when they reach a point of Maximum pressure , they Usually try against their lives , it is an ugly scenario , but it is what some take as a solution, therefore now we do not have control over play in a casino , we must Consider all these Consequences.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

if you have not, check it out. Superpicks.com

My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
Although this website appears to be a domestic one I would limit it to Free Spain. Basically, if you create an account here, you will be given a bonus that you can gamble with. Here you may need to deposit your money if you can successfully claim your bonuses. You can increase your money by betting with the bonuses you get here. And if you can win your prize then your prediction is good and can bet from here. And if you play with the rewards you get from this bonus, you don't have to deposit money there and get profit from here.
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