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When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 
It also happened at my place, although I don't know it in detail. The contest committee wouldn't know about it because the betting was done quietly between the players so that they could bet freely. But sometimes, the bet is placed a few hours before the match takes place, which will make the bet even more fun because no one knows who has the chance to win unless the person can analyze it properly. And yes, when money is involved, things can take a more serious turn and get out of hand. Even in many other contests, it happened too, but few people know.
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Futures trading and gambling might have a few similarities but they are definitely not the same and shouldn't be compared at all. Gambling is totally based on luck and one cannot win anything if they are unlucky, while futures trading might involve some luck as the market can move in any direction, one needs to have a lot of knowledge and experience of the market to be able to make good trades which can be done by doing research and analysis.

So the chances of getting more wins is more in futures trading because you do your research and analyze the coin you will be using for the trade and then place your trade as per your understanding of the market and how it's behaving right now, while there is no concept like that in gambling except for sports betting.
I recall the terror of the unknown when I first started trading futures. It wasnt gambling. Futures trading has tools and information to help you avoid losing your shirt. Its not just luck. Understanding market trends and global events' effects on crypto is the goal. These misunderstandings sometimes leave people feeling awful.

These uninformed comparisons shouldnt ruin futures trading. After all, its serious business with a humorous twist that keeps you on your toes! Keep the ingenuity going and educate those who dont know.
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When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 
You see Technically, the argument here is that, predictions can be regarded as gambling?
Because in the end, that's what is, predictions.
When you make go through your steps to arriving at the point where you decide to pick your most suitable to triumph in a competition without supporting it with any stake, that's just prediction. It's way far from gambling, it doesn't matter if there is a prize in the end of the event, when you've got nothing to lose should your prediction mot play out, it just doesn't count as gambling.

It becomes gambling only when it's backed up with a stake of some sort. It doesn't always have to be money but, you must have something at stake to support your claims less you lose your stake.

I know that the whole secret lies in predicting things , if each sport or each thing you Want to bet on is accurately predicted, the point is to take advantage of that to win, otherwise it wouldn't make sense, things are better that way when there is talk of how to do to be able to have a better Performance than what is known, there is no other way to prove it or that if a person wants to make believe that his criteria is correct, well that is how it should be done, if there is no money Involved , the sunsets can get very boring because I have experienced it , the emotion is not the same and that is why it is Better to place bets with money.

You wouldn't really feel any thrill on the time that you do make out bets on which you arent risking something but basing up on what OP provided that there are indeed places on which offering those risk-free bets

but you do have the chance or possibility on hitting up some prizes if you do got it right which i do highly believe that it is really just that temporal because no business would really be definitely giving out that kind of offer on which it would really be putting them at huge risks on having that kind of expenses on just giving up something for free on the community for them to make bets without having those kind of bets amounts
on which it is really just giving an opportunity for those bettors to win up something that they arent benefiting at all.

Any activity which it doesnt really involved money cant really be called gambling in the first place. Even if we do say that it isnt really that entertaining on having or getting involved with these free or no risk bets
but still there would really be people who would really be having that kind of interest on diving into these kind of opportunities.
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When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 
You see Technically, the argument here is that, predictions can be regarded as gambling?
Because in the end, that's what is, predictions.
When you make go through your steps to arriving at the point where you decide to pick your most suitable to triumph in a competition without supporting it with any stake, that's just prediction. It's way far from gambling, it doesn't matter if there is a prize in the end of the event, when you've got nothing to lose should your prediction mot play out, it just doesn't count as gambling.

It becomes gambling only when it's backed up with a stake of some sort. It doesn't always have to be money but, you must have something at stake to support your claims less you lose your stake.

I know that the whole secret lies in predicting things , if each sport or each thing you Want to bet on is accurately predicted, the point is to take advantage of that to win, otherwise it wouldn't make sense, things are better that way when there is talk of how to do to be able to have a better Performance than what is known, there is no other way to prove it or that if a person wants to make believe that his criteria is correct, well that is how it should be done, if there is no money Involved , the sunsets can get very boring because I have experienced it , the emotion is not the same and that is why it is Better to place bets with money.
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When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 
You see Technically, the argument here is that, predictions can be regarded as gambling?
Because in the end, that's what is, predictions.
When you make go through your steps to arriving at the point where you decide to pick your most suitable to triumph in a competition without supporting it with any stake, that's just prediction. It's way far from gambling, it doesn't matter if there is a prize in the end of the event, when you've got nothing to lose should your prediction mot play out, it just doesn't count as gambling.

It becomes gambling only when it's backed up with a stake of some sort. It doesn't always have to be money but, you must have something at stake to support your claims less you lose your stake.

The line is very blurred. I agree that if you don't bet anything, then it's not gambling at all. But what's the point of doing that? Anyone will not last that long, and will bet money, or finish this lesson.
So about the blurred edge: and if a person put 10 cents?
Well, for example, for a football match.
Is this gambling? And if he bet $1? And if 10? And here I am 100% sure that this is gambling.
So where is the border?
And the answer is simple - everyone has their own.
If you are ALREADY EXPERIENCING adrenaline and excitement after betting $ 3 on a match, it means that this is your amount from which gambling begins. I mean, excitement determines the moment when games become gambling for you.
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When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 
You see Technically, the argument here is that, predictions can be regarded as gambling?
Because in the end, that's what is, predictions.
When you make go through your steps to arriving at the point where you decide to pick your most suitable to triumph in a competition without supporting it with any stake, that's just prediction. It's way far from gambling, it doesn't matter if there is a prize in the end of the event, when you've got nothing to lose should your prediction mot play out, it just doesn't count as gambling.

It becomes gambling only when it's backed up with a stake of some sort. It doesn't always have to be money but, you must have something at stake to support your claims less you lose your stake.
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When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 

The stories and experience we all had during our childhood days with play station is very funny to remember because then we struggle to make sure we had money to gamble at the polaystation together with friends and bet who to be a winner, then we never even counted it a thing of concern that much even when we loose while playing games, we had funs and play together and win and still use the money to hang out with friends and spend it together in buying things, though then it was not as widely abused as today because it's all about entertainment and gamblers don't use more than they can afford to loose for gambling.
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Of course, we as players, as traders, will always find ourselves on occasions with many places where we will see demo accounts, play money and everything that has to do with what is demo, which is not bad, it is taken into consideration that a person when you don't know how to make a bet, the demo mode is your salvation, because it doesn't matter if you lose money, it's a demo mode, the money is fictitious, it's also for that, to learn how to use the tools that the casino offers in a game specific, the same happens with exchanges, there are many tools, and you can try all of them and learn to use them.

Casinos and exchanges have this point in common, that they have demo mode or play money, for me it is super important that in demo mode of an exchange you can operate first, and in casinos once you have full knowledge of how to play so that they venture into the real mode with real money.
Well you are very correct and that is why we refers to casino and exchange as sister service providers because future trading is same as gambling because you risk losing all at some point and this have made many newbies to both trading and gambling to have similar experiences and because of experience many of them have lost good money because the did not not know or master the act of gambling or trading between demo account and the real live games. After all, this is two different things and at that, we must learn the difference between both of them.

I use to play a demo game and I have almost 80% winning chances at that, I thought the same will apply to the next real live games and thereafter most of my bets were all lost. 
Futures trading and gambling might have a few similarities but they are definitely not the same and shouldn't be compared at all. Gambling is totally based on luck and one cannot win anything if they are unlucky, while futures trading might involve some luck as the market can move in any direction, one needs to have a lot of knowledge and experience of the market to be able to make good trades which can be done by doing research and analysis.

So the chances of getting more wins is more in futures trading because you do your research and analyze the coin you will be using for the trade and then place your trade as per your understanding of the market and how it's behaving right now, while there is no concept like that in gambling except for sports betting.
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Games that previously did not use money can eventually use the money if the people who play them feel pleasure while playing. This has often happened because they didn't want to play gambling and just played normally. But after tasting the game and wanting to get some more fun, they decide to use the money between them. The winner will get the money, while the loser has to acknowledge the winner's ability. This we often experience with our friends when we play PlayStation or something else. And if it's like that, isn't that gambling? And on that site, previously, we only guessed who won, but later there will be bets, and maybe the site will also create its own token.

When you referred to Playstation I recalled that there was a time when Playstation gaming zone in my country was a den of illegal betting. It all started with guessing which player would win while playing FIFA and then it slowly moved to betting with money. Whether money was involved or not it will be counted as a gamble. After money got involved the gaming zone was making a lot of money as there were many better in that place. After a few days, they had to put in place security guards as the situation became critical with the crowd. When money is involved, things do get serious and sometime out of control. 
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I think the continuation of this thread is getting far from the original post, title, and agenda. You see, that is why gambling is called the courage sport. Only the strong prevail. If you are not prepared to lose psychologically, mentally, and financially. Even if the game is not starting yet, you're more likely to lose. It's not only your money that is your betting with. It's also your hope. So when you lose, you also lose some part of yourself. It is a sport because in this game winning and losing is a normal part of the game. For entertainment? probably. to make money? Sure! but only for those who are disciplined and responsible gamblers.
Games that previously did not use money can eventually use the money if the people who play them feel pleasure while playing. This has often happened because they didn't want to play gambling and just played normally. But after tasting the game and wanting to get some more fun, they decide to use the money between them. The winner will get the money, while the loser has to acknowledge the winner's ability. This we often experience with our friends when we play PlayStation or something else. And if it's like that, isn't that gambling? And on that site, previously, we only guessed who won, but later there will be bets, and maybe the site will also create its own token.
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As everyone has made it more clear that gambling is a form of being entertained and while going through this, we can also find a means to pick out some opportunities in this for making earnings through it but it must not be forgotten that gambling still remains gambling and not a permanent or best ideal way of making money, if we are interested in making money then we should go after making an investment, so also is what we do being recognized as gambling if we make use of money to bet for it, in doing so, we have also become a gambler at the process.
It is obvious that everyone that enters into gambling want to make some kind of profits from it whether our later interesting becomes a source of entertainment. People make money from gambling and also decided to see it as entertainment which is still very confusing to me. Since we are making money from gambling, I don't see it as entertainment unless we are ready to keep losing in gambling without any problem or caring about our loses. Since we want to make money from it, we become prepared and look for signals or people that will forecast games for us so that we can earn too from the market.
Those who entertain themselves through gambling are prepared to lose their money since they're aware it's likely to happen. But what matter to them is to enjoy the game and satisfy themselves regardless of the result (either win or lose).

We can't deny that what attract the most to gamble the money is because of the profit. If you're lucky it's easy to win in snap, same goes if you're unfortunate, you can lose it all. So if you don't want to lose your money, don't gamble since there are plenty of ways to entertain yourself without the need to stake something valuable.
There are people who are addicted to strong emotions. They are also called emotional addicts. They can get this dose of strong emotions and experiences from gambling, but the series will not give them so much. It depends very much on genetics, there is a certain predisposition to this.

I'm sure poker pro gamers are also heavily addicted to the game, but they've learned to control themselves and play with their bankroll. But only very few can do this. Therefore, if you can't control yourself, it's better not to even start.
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As everyone has made it more clear that gambling is a form of being entertained and while going through this, we can also find a means to pick out some opportunities in this for making earnings through it but it must not be forgotten that gambling still remains gambling and not a permanent or best ideal way of making money, if we are interested in making money then we should go after making an investment, so also is what we do being recognized as gambling if we make use of money to bet for it, in doing so, we have also become a gambler at the process.
It is obvious that everyone that enters into gambling want to make some kind of profits from it whether our later interesting becomes a source of entertainment. People make money from gambling and also decided to see it as entertainment which is still very confusing to me. Since we are making money from gambling, I don't see it as entertainment unless we are ready to keep losing in gambling without any problem or caring about our loses. Since we want to make money from it, we become prepared and look for signals or people that will forecast games for us so that we can earn too from the market.
Those who entertain themselves through gambling are prepared to lose their money since they're aware it's likely to happen. But what matter to them is to enjoy the game and satisfy themselves regardless of the result (either win or lose).

We can't deny that what attract the most to gamble the money is because of the profit. If you're lucky it's easy to win in snap, same goes if you're unfortunate, you can lose it all. So if you don't want to lose your money, don't gamble since there are plenty of ways to entertain yourself without the need to stake something valuable.
This is where there is a big difference in how the player relates to the game and what he can lose if he loses.  If there are practically no bets in the game that are of some value to the player, well, of course, money is of paramount importance here, then the player’s attitude to the game is completely different.  He can calmly make stupid wrong moves, laugh or simply mock an opponent.  This game is more like a joke.  And if in the game bets are made with money, then the player has a completely different attitude to his moves.  He plays responsibly and deliberately.  And even if he loses, he will still consider that he simply did not have enough intelligence, experience or luck to win. 
In such cases, I always remember my experience of training in trading on demo accounts and in real trading.  For those who have tried training on demo accounts and in real trading, they clearly understand the difference in these processes.  By the way, therefore, it is not worth training in trading on a demo account.  It is better to do this with a very small amount of dollars or cryptocurrencies, but really betting with such money
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As everyone has made it more clear that gambling is a form of being entertained and while going through this, we can also find a means to pick out some opportunities in this for making earnings through it but it must not be forgotten that gambling still remains gambling and not a permanent or best ideal way of making money, if we are interested in making money then we should go after making an investment, so also is what we do being recognized as gambling if we make use of money to bet for it, in doing so, we have also become a gambler at the process.
It is obvious that everyone that enters into gambling want to make some kind of profits from it whether our later interesting becomes a source of entertainment. People make money from gambling and also decided to see it as entertainment which is still very confusing to me. Since we are making money from gambling, I don't see it as entertainment unless we are ready to keep losing in gambling without any problem or caring about our loses. Since we want to make money from it, we become prepared and look for signals or people that will forecast games for us so that we can earn too from the market.
Those who entertain themselves through gambling are prepared to lose their money since they're aware it's likely to happen. But what matter to them is to enjoy the game and satisfy themselves regardless of the result (either win or lose).

We can't deny that what attract the most to gamble the money is because of the profit. If you're lucky it's easy to win in snap, same goes if you're unfortunate, you can lose it all. So if you don't want to lose your money, don't gamble since there are plenty of ways to entertain yourself without the need to stake something valuable.
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Gambling involves money, so without this I don’t think its gambling.
Just make sure not to bet any with money or else you’re doing gambling and you have to be more responsible on that and avoid being greedy. There are site who have this options, and this is also their way to attract gamblers, this is actually where I started, from the free wager until I deposited my first capital.
Gambling without anything at stake may end in frustration and can not longer be gambling since one of the aim of gambling is to have fun aside from the possibility of making income through gambling,  because at some point we must come to the agreement on the fact that just playing the games without anything at stake will end as just time wasting since the excitement and commitment that is involved in gambling while risking something is the life wire to gambling.

But on the other hand,  we can't deny the fact that there are few people who Gamble on the demo mood and for that they have similar experiences to those gambling with their money at stake. .
Playing in that mode is actually not challenging at all because we have nothing to bet on. But playing in demo mode is that you can get to know and understand the game without having to risk losing money. This is also very useful for those who are new to how the game works. 
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Maybe for example again when two men fighting over women, and both compete in a game, or choose a team that will compete in the field is also included in the gambling scope.
Money is not the only one that makes the betting can be called gambling, the fact is there are still many tools to be used as a base or gambling.

It is not gambling when two people compete for a girl's attention or a spot on a sports team.  It is a competition, not gambling.  The reason why basketball is called a sport and not gambling same thing as the elimination of participants in a contest.
I don't think that it's for competition to get attention, sorry if I don't explain it clearly, more precisely is when you and your friends make transactions that when in a match you take if one of you wins the match, then X or (the girl ) belongs to the winner, and the loser doesn't have any rights anymore because he lost the bet agreed at the beginning, maybe that's clearer.

If that is the case then yes it is gambling since the bet is the right to court the girl and the prize is the monopoly on courting the girl.

I think that the simple concept of betting is like that, no matter how the mechanics of the process are, what is certain is that if there is one thing that is contested (of value) between two or more parties, it's the same in my opinion.

Yeah, I got the point now that you explained it well.

And indeed competition is also actually when viewed openly, when you have to pay a registration fee as a condition for participating in a competition, and the registration money is used as a prize that is up for grabs, in my opinion it is the same as gambling, except you don't spend anything as a condition. IMO

There is a difference between competition in a contest with registration and pooling funds and competing to win such a prize which I also consider as gambling. 
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As everyone has made it more clear that gambling is a form of being entertained and while going through this, we can also find a means to pick out some opportunities in this for making earnings through it but it must not be forgotten that gambling still remains gambling and not a permanent or best ideal way of making money, if we are interested in making money then we should go after making an investment, so also is what we do being recognized as gambling if we make use of money to bet for it, in doing so, we have also become a gambler at the process.
It is obvious that everyone that enters into gambling want to make some kind of profits from it whether our later interesting becomes a source of entertainment. People make money from gambling and also decided to see it as entertainment which is still very confusing to me. Since we are making money from gambling, I don't see it as entertainment unless we are ready to keep losing in gambling without any problem or caring about our loses. Since we want to make money from it, we become prepared and look for signals or people that will forecast games for us so that we can earn too from the market.
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Gambling involves money, so without this I don’t think its gambling.
Just make sure not to bet any with money or else you’re doing gambling and you have to be more responsible on that and avoid being greedy. There are site who have this options, and this is also their way to attract gamblers, this is actually where I started, from the free wager until I deposited my first capital.
Gambling without anything at stake may end in frustration and can not longer be gambling since one of the aim of gambling is to have fun aside from the possibility of making income through gambling,  because at some point we must come to the agreement on the fact that just playing the games without anything at stake will end as just time wasting since the excitement and commitment that is involved in gambling while risking something is the life wire to gambling.

But on the other hand,  we can't deny the fact that there are few people who Gamble on the demo mood and for that they have similar experiences to those gambling with their money at stake. .
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They should be prepared to be disappointed if they consider gambling a source of income because that is not the scenario. Gambling is only for entertainment and pleasure, so people do not need to take gambling seriously, where they will bet large amounts of money. Meanwhile, they don't know when they can make money but instead get a lot of losses. They should think of their victory as a bonus for good luck coming their way at the right time, but they can't expect luck to come more often.

Gambling can also be a source of income, it all depends on the person that's gambling, if you can discipline yourself like the professional, you can make a living by gambling. We have those that their lifes depends on gambling and they're doing just fine as a normal people.

It mightn't be only gambling they considered to be the source of their income as they might have other side hustle they used to assist the money coming from gambling but gambling takes a very large percentage when you consider the money that comes in to their account.

Gambling can be for entertainment and pleasure no doubts but you can also use gambling to pay your bills, we have those that are relying on gambling so it doesn't sound impossible to accomplish but very hard as you'll have to be very lucky to always win and avoid addiction.
I watched a poker stream today for several hours in which a professional played online. For 15 years he lives only on income from poker, he has an ordinary family and children. He has contracts with a poker room that gives him more rakeback. But his main income is playing on several tables. And in order to win on them, you need to be in excellent moral shape and constantly study, because if he relaxes, then his rivals will adapt to him and he will not be able to earn more.

I wanted to be like him, but after trying this lifestyle, I realized how exhausting the work that few are capable of.
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As everyone has made it more clear that gambling is a form of being entertained and while going through this, we can also find a means to pick out some opportunities in this for making earnings through it but it must not be forgotten that gambling still remains gambling and not a permanent or best ideal way of making money, if we are interested in making money then we should go after making an investment, so also is what we do being recognized as gambling if we make use of money to bet for it, in doing so, we have also become a gambler at the process.
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Have you heard of Superpicks on DSTV? where you can make predictions and win money without staking your money?

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My question is can it still be called gambling if it is not played with money?
According to Britannca definition, gambling is said to be  the betting or staking of something of value, with consciousness of risk and hope of gain, on the outcome of a game, a contest, or an uncertain event whose result may be determined by chance or accident or have an unexpected result by reason of the bettor's miscalculation.
 Therefore whether it involves staking money or not so far it requires you to make predictions about an event then it's also considered as gambling however apart from online casino, money is not the only requirement for staking on games or events, in rural areas most people who play draft stake their valuable items over who would win the game.
Whether you are betting with money or with valuable goods, it is still considered gambling because there is at least something at stake, and when there is something valuable at stake, that becomes gambling no matter what the game is, but when you are only making predictions and not making any bets on it but you are still going to get a reward if your prediction becomes accurate, that cannot be considered gambling because if you lose, you lose nothing.

So people need to understand that a game that you play to win some reward and lose nothing if you don't win can't be and shouldn't be considered gambling but it is just a game that you play for some reward, even if it involves making predictions on real life events like sports matches, etc.
Even trying out to make up some dealing on something which no money involved but certain conditions or agreement in between parties then it would really be considered gambling.Not all would really be pertaining

about money when it comes to gambling on which same as i said earlier that it would really be also considered out on other aspects as long you are risking on something then its considered gambling.
It is really just that people who are really that get used to when it comes to gambling then it do pertains about having a balance or money on their accounts which is mostly that will really be going with literal gambling games and doesnt really count into those situations on which they are really that talking about those casual situations in life which does involved choices and decisions which it would also
gamble out their conditions or possible consequences.
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