Topic: WTF Avalon? Ship the Chips! - page 21. (Read 45746 times)
Avalon did have NO trail of scams. They shipped already 2 batches of miners successfully. That means it was highly likely that avalon can ship a batch 3 and of course the chips that are proved working in the miners already. There was no sign that problems will occur. So no there is no sign to justify someone was stupid to order.
You act as if you have information the bitcoin community does not. Aside from your assumptions, are you bringing anything else to the conversation?
edit: I will no longer participate in spamming this thread. Good night troll.
edit: I will no longer participate in spamming this thread. Good night troll.
You guys gave Goofi Fucku of Avalon enough money to buy enough chips for himself to take over 51% of the network.
Congratulations dumbasses!
Congratulations dumbasses!
Did you expect us to all pick up ASIC design manuals? Go back to your stinky corner, troll.
Don't kill the messenger. I guess you bought into this scam, huh?
You guys gave Goofi Fucku of Avalon enough money to buy enough chips for himself to take over 51% of the network.
Congratulations dumbasses!
Congratulations dumbasses!
Did you expect us to all pick up ASIC design manuals? Go back to your stinky corner, troll.
You guys gave Goofi Fucku of Avalon enough money to buy enough chips for himself to take over 51% of the network.
Congratulations dumbasses!
Congratulations dumbasses!
+1 to this thread. I thought I was ordering from the good guys! Not to judge them completely as of this moment, but my "faith" is chipping away faster by the day.
What if all the chips were stolen by organized criminals.
Then expect to see them for auction somewhere?
Depends on how organized they are. If they had their own EEs they could build the miners themselves and take all the profits.
It's unknown how much they're actually able to make on this chip deal with TSMC. To even get TSMC's attention is tough enough already, not to mention they don't have the clout of Apple/HTC in negotiating prices. So if they are indeed mining, delaying the deluge of chips could help them maximize current mining operations to build a big enough warchest for Gen 2 design/production. It's not like KNCMiner or BitFury can immediately take over the market and completely shut Avalon out, so they've got the community by the marbles right now. Even if they delay an extra X weeks (or more) and then ship, the PR damage will be quite heavy (as each day goes by Yifu's phone will be ringing off the hook), but it might be somewhat recoverable once people receive them.
You can't mine with blank chips in boxes. In order for them to mine with undelivered chips they'd have to install them, mine for a while, and then remove all the chips from the board and repackage them. Hundreds of thousands of them. Seems pretty unlikely.
They are liars and scumbags and if I purchased from Josh piece of shit extreme at Butterfly of Goofi Fukyu at Avalon, I would personally beat the shit out of them and break their bones.
But fortunately, I was not one of those suckers.
People need to start taking power back and thinking for themselves, instead of being easily led like sheep.
(Perfect example ..... everyone who is stupid enough to buy USB ASIC Miners on ebay for $90-$150. Plenty of dumb people to pluck from)
But fortunately, I was not one of those suckers.
People need to start taking power back and thinking for themselves, instead of being easily led like sheep.
(Perfect example ..... everyone who is stupid enough to buy USB ASIC Miners on ebay for $90-$150. Plenty of dumb people to pluck from)
I purchased a B2 Avalon and I'm pretty happy with it. Would have been nice if it came a little sooner, but whatever.
, sorry to say.... you guys are fucked!Anyone who bought Butterfly Labs or Avalon, except for the lucky few, are shit out of luck, and fucked big time!
They RIPPED YOU OFF!
Why do people continue to act like sheep, after they have been sheered?
That is the situation because people are brainwashed and in a trance.
Mindless controlled zombies, acting like amoebas being prodded and barely moving an inch.
Sorry to say, you have been fucked badly. Wake up! Smell the coffee. There are Billion Dollar Bandits at large.
Who in their right mind, without a professional company and credentials and history in the business, would take in millions of dollars when they have not produced anything, then turn around and invest it and give it back to the people, when they could "DELAY" the delivery until the whole profit was milked to the bone?
Only a real well intentioned person, and how many of them are there out there?
Unfortunately, not many.
They are liars and scumbags and if I purchased from Josh piece of shit extreme at Butterfly of Goofi Fukyu at Avalon, I would personally beat the shit out of them and break their bones.
But fortunately, I was not one of those suckers.
People need to start taking power back and thinking for themselves, instead of being easily led like sheep.
(Perfect example ..... everyone who is stupid enough to buy USB ASIC Miners on ebay for $90-$150. Plenty of dumb people to pluck from)
If Avalon is mining right now, it would diminish their returns to ship out large sums of ASIC power. BFL is trickling, and ASICminer is overpriced and not making too much of an impact outside of their internal operations. There are a number of decent projects on the horizon such as BitFury, KnC and others -- if Avalon is mining they can maximize their return by postponing shipment of their chips for as long as possible... Correct me if I'm wrong?
Well, Yifu did say during the conference that at one point in the past, they had a choice of making "$3million the next month" by mining or making "a lot less" by building units (perhaps in reference to Batch #1). So it's entirely possible.
It's unknown how much they're actually able to make on this chip deal with TSMC. To even get TSMC's attention is tough enough already, not to mention they don't have the clout of Apple/HTC in negotiating prices. So if they are indeed mining, delaying the deluge of chips could help them maximize current mining operations to build a big enough warchest for Gen 2 design/production. It's not like KNCMiner or BitFury can immediately take over the market and completely shut Avalon out, so they've got the community by the marbles right now. Even if they delay an extra X weeks (or more) and then ship, the PR damage will be quite heavy (as each day goes by Yifu's phone will be ringing off the hook), but it might be somewhat recoverable once people receive them.
If Avalon is mining right now, it would diminish their returns to ship out large sums of ASIC power. BFL is trickling, and ASICminer is overpriced and not making too much of an impact outside of their internal operations. There are a number of decent projects on the horizon such as BitFury, KnC and others -- if Avalon is mining they can maximize their return by postponing shipment of their chips for as long as possible... Correct me if I'm wrong?
Well, Yifu did say during the conference that at one point in the past, they had a choice of making "$3million the next month" by mining or making "a lot less" by building units (perhaps in reference to Batch #1). So it's entirely possible.
It's unknown how much they're actually able to make on this chip deal with TSMC. To even get TSMC's attention is tough enough already, not to mention they don't have the clout of Apple/HTC in negotiating prices. So if they are indeed mining, delaying the deluge of chips could help them maximize current mining operations to build a big enough warchest for Gen 2 design/production. It's not like KNCMiner or BitFury can immediately take over the market and completely shut Avalon out, so they've got the community by the marbles right now. Even if they delay an extra X weeks (or more) and then ship, the PR damage will be quite heavy (as each day goes by Yifu's phone will be ringing off the hook), but it might be somewhat recoverable once people receive them.
If Avalon is mining right now, it would diminish their returns to ship out large sums of ASIC power. BFL is trickling, and ASICminer is overpriced and not making too much of an impact outside of their internal operations. There are a number of decent projects on the horizon such as BitFury, KnC and others -- if Avalon is mining they can maximize their return by postponing shipment of their chips for as long as possible... Correct me if I'm wrong?
Tomorrow will make 15 weeks since I made my payment.
It's strange how $75k order does not even get you a phone number and personal account manager on Avalon's side, isn't it...
I think what's going on right now is that they have realized that they will be unable to maintain their "leader" position in ASIC development and they are trying to milk the network as much as they can delaying the shipments knowing that they will effectively decrease their network share.
And I for one hope that K&C and bitfury devices start shipping on time so then both Avalon and BFL will never ever get another customer.
Question? How would they "milk" the network by not delivering chips that have already been paid for?
Then expect to see them for auction somewhere?
What if all the chips were stolen by organized criminals.
I'll just leave this here...
Very nice
His last login was on 16 July i think. Let's hope for good news!
I'll just leave this here...
It took them about a month and a half to ship batch 2, starting late may and finishing early July, except for the orders that slipped through the cracks. If they keep up the same pace they should be done by the end of august, I guess.
I believe batch 3 miners should ship on may 5th... thats 3 months due...
Batch#3 customers is asking the question: Where is fucking machine I ordered at the end of March?
My Batch #3 machine was delivered this morning and is now hashing at over 80GH in the comms room where I work.
Who knows... if the rate of difficulty rise drops a bit, it might even break even
The chips may not ship until october or november, and then you will surely be right.
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