Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1574. (Read 4670972 times)

Mumbles, the Devs very cleared stated what they believe to be important and non-important issues at this stage in the coins development.

The website just isn't important right now.  They've demonstrated this to you time and time again.  Yes, they said they were working on it and intimated that it would be fixed shortly. 

But it hasn't. 

And that's okay to me because I've listened to what they've said about the other issues they're dealing with.  And if what they're saying is correct - the website just isn't important right now.  What good is a sparkling fresh website for a product that isn't ready for the masses?  At best it would be considered a "bait and switch".

Several people have stepped up and said that they would code the design of the website so that the devs don't have to bother.  But the devs would have to bother.  You would expect them to deploy code without reviewing it first?  And that reviewing takes time.  And they've obviously determined that the time to do that is not as important as the time required to fix real bugs.

(And if you're speaking about something other than the website, like actual Monero code, it's on github.  Please show where you or some other complainer has been denied a pull request.)

Yes, this is the thing that drives me crazy about the dev team. They refuse help and then don't do what they say they are going to do. Very unprofessional, especially when trying to build up trust and market share for a new coin. And then just pretend that the statements were not made and never address any lack of progress.

If anyone mentions this obvious problem, then they get labled a troll (not by devs, but by others), rather than a concerned XMR proponent. Not a way to build a rational discussion and ensure trust.

What do you guys (the devs) think about the possibility of trezor support? Would it even be possible? I'm thinking probably not since the trezor is producing Secp256k1 signatures and inorder to produce a valid signature on monero it would need to be a ring signature (idk what that standard is called but its probably not Secp256k1). Is it just the case that inorder to have something like a trezor it will have to be purpose built for cryptonote platforms?

Can anyone that has also mined X11 compare the profitability of this miner after all the fees vs and X11?  Is it about a wash or is it a better user of your miner to mine this in terms of daily BTC.

I do think that "release early, and release often"  is generally the correct open source development approach.  That can't be done willy-nilly with a currency backbone, where value preservation is of primary importance and consensus uptake is de rigeur, but for ancillary stuff like websites, explorers, guis, &c, where the integrity of the platform is not threatened by aggressive and early releases, even small increments of progress should be pushed out ASAP, even if the quality is poor, because the sense of progress is important to gaining mindshare.

New missives today perhaps?

I fully agree with you - the Getting Started thing was a stop-gap that David threw together when we moved from the old Wordpress site to a static HTML dump because the site was getting hammered. We've been chasing our tails to deal with stuff like that whilst get everything else done in parallel, but we are getting there:)

Those people who decide to invest in a coin just because of its logo or fancy website are all idiot, and they deserve to lose money.

Incidentally, the only two coins with non-negligible market cap and volume are constant emission PoW coins - BTC and LTC. The lesson that been learned is that non-inflationary coins look great to current holders but look like Ponzi schemes to future holders. They die sooner or later when interest wanes. (I'll wait to see if the more innovative ones like NXT and ETH have enough of a value proposition to survive, but the ones that are simply currencies die.)

XMR actually has decreasing emission and greater overall disinflation than the BTC halving schedule so you should be happy on that front.

I can understand your annoyance with my post.  Perhaps I should be more clear.   My twelve year old niece could greatly improve the look and feel of the current website and the content on it.  Just go to the webpage and click on the "Getting Started" link.  The layout is horrible.  Text is all over the place, there's not enough left margin, the menu that is on every other page is missing.  I only bring this up because there have been numerous posts from one member or another of the "Team" stating that the "Final Touches" were being put on the new website.  This was over a month ago.  There have also been numerous individuals that have volunteered to help and their offers were declined.  Maybe a new website is about to be unveiled and in that case I'll be eating crow.

My concern is that people that are already having difficulty with some of the various issues that Monero suffers from like lack of a finalized GUI, blockchain size issues, etc...  are going to be put off even more by the sorry shape of the website.  The underlying technology for Monero should always be the highest priority.  But image matters and people go to the web to find information.  When they go to the Monero.cc website all they find is a mess.  Please understand that many people actually place a priority on a good name and fancy logo.  I'm not one of them but I read posts all the time like "Good coin, I like the logo", or "Nice website", without any mention of the actual coin specifications.  That's the way things are and it isn't going to change.  I just think it would be in Monero's best interests to clean up the website.  I should have approached the topic differently than I did but it is what it is and I stand behind my criticism of the website.  As an early miner/investor/holder of Monero I can and will voice my opinion.  I'm sure that in this case it is shared by more than just a few.    

  

I couldn't' have put it more elegantly and concise.

I also like your quotes in your footer quotes since I think btc and xmr are doing exactly that i.e.:
“In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. You create a new model and make the old one obsolete.” - Buckminster Fuller
"The secret of change is to focus all of your energy, not on fighting the old, but on building the new" - Socrates

A recent bitcoinmagazine article floats to mind about the paradigm shifts bitcoin is sparking:
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/15054/bitcoin-earth-dont-look-now-paradigm-shifting/

Disagree. Increase PoW inflation. Coins without inflation die from lack of distribution and interest.

Have you made any changes to the code that handles transaction broadcasts? If you have developer questions ask on IRC Freenode at "#monero-dev".

The chatroom is quite active and normally you'll get help pretty quickly.

Maybe try and send a smaller amount. Sometimes transactions get rejected for being too large.

Hello,
I have been contributing to XMR for a few days and have some XMR in my windows .NET wallet.  When trying to use some of this and send via my wallet, I get the error "the transaction could not be sent".

I am using min count = 1 and fee is default 0.005, for which my wallet has enough to cover my send amount and fee.

Any ideas?

completely false. this is just short term thinking. in the long term its far better.. so what if the price continually goes lower again and again? It just shakes out the weak pumpers and puts it into the hands of the long term holders that can see the value in it and have the patience to ride these swings out.

Suzuki & professorXY, i guess developers invested some money, but mostly they did their time. But with any way to pump coin they will gain little since they hold little coins. So to temporary pump price with any way possible is not really worth for them. Could be for some bag holder, but most of them are so mature in crypto currencies that know that will really hard achieve this and rather just wait and harvest profit after a year or two when coin will mature.

Thing is that if you would read a bit this thread or threads linked to Monero is, that no one got any free or cheap coins as it happened with coins where pump and dump happens. There are quite few that bought coin at higher price as it is right now. Even i did buy few at 0.005 alto am mining from 24th May, so like 70% time of Monero existence. When i first heard of Monero price was around 0.006, so 50 % higher then now.


Bottom line of why i am writing this is, that whoever will try to earn some profit with buying Monero, to sell it after pump would succeed, will have serious problems achieve that.



I was told merge mining miners are so much less efficient that is way better to mine just Monero. Maybe that changed i read about this like 6 weeks ago.

None of our listed pools has ever reported to steal coins afaik, i have no idea why people come up with that stuff.

Mergemining is useless as people would just dump the fantom to zero as theres not enough buyorders for fantom to survive a big monero pool mergemining it imho.

How many coins are usually stolen by pools? Isn't that make solo -mining more profitable?
Why not to merge mine coins? in this case you get more coins at the same time for the same power bills?
I mine Fantom coin with BCN. IMO, it makes it less risky to mine two coins

Yeah stick with your scammy PoW/PoS coins.