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legendary
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It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

You realize that every time someone buys 7 it means someone else is selling 7 and someone selling 700 means someone else is buying 700? 100% of the time.

Try again with some valid logic.

When I said buy = buy at the asks,
And DUMP = dump at the buy orders!

And this matters why? I have traded on exchanges and I have often placed sell orders (i.e. the ask) when I wanted to sell reduce my holdings (but not necessarily at this immediate second) or placed buy orders when I wanted to buy.

You have a warped view of how exchanges work where market orders are somehow more important or more real than listed orders. That is false.



Not sure what your babbling about..  Roll Eyes
I'm sure normal people got the message when I said that.. The dumps are causing the price to go down.

The dumps and the price going down are exactly the same thing, viewed from a slightly different perspective. It is like saying that the rain drops falling are causing wet weather.

People are both buying and selling (in exactly the same quantity). They happen to be agreeing to do so at lower prices than they were a week ago. This is not the fault of the sellers exclusively, it is equally the result of the decisions of the buyers to step back a bit and offer only lower prices. Bring in more buyers with the exact same sellers and the price goes up, and vice versa.

Also, there is an even closer connection. When you say that someone "dumps" 700, that means there were 700 worth of buy orders on the book to even make that possible. Without that many buy orders, the same seller might sell his 700, but he'd have to do so over a period of time as a sequence of separate trades. You wouldn't see a 700 dump, but the seller would still be selling. The block sale of 700 is as much evidence of buying interest for 700 as it is selling interest.
legendary
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I want to point something out for those who haven't noticed:

Seems to me there is a strong positive correlation between the negativity behind someone's post and the lack of activity associated with the account. In other words: The more positive a comment is, the more activity that person is likely to have,

and the more negative their comment is, the LESS activity their account is likely to have.

Conclusion: paid trolls are a sign that someone want's the price down.

Secondary conclusion: someone wants cheap xmr and is priming it for a pump.

Third conclusion: buy xmr right now ;]


you can't stop the pumps and dumps, pumps and dumps, PUMPS AND DUMPS.

newbie
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Merit: 0
It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

You realize that every time someone buys 7 it means someone else is selling 7 and someone selling 700 means someone else is buying 700? 100% of the time.

Try again with some valid logic.

When I said buy = buy at the asks,
And DUMP = dump at the buy orders!

And this matters why? I have traded on exchanges and I have often placed sell orders (i.e. the ask) when I wanted to sell reduce my holdings (but not necessarily at this immediate second) or placed buy orders when I wanted to buy.

You have a warped view of how exchanges work where market orders are somehow more important or more real than listed orders. That is false.

Not sure what you're babbling about..  Roll Eyes
I'm sure normal people got the message when I said that.. The dumps are causing the price to go down.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
I want to point something out for those who haven't noticed:

Seems to me there is a strong positive correlation between the negativity behind someone's post and the lack of activity associated with the account. In other words: The more positive a comment is, the more activity that person is likely to have,

and the more negative their comment is, the LESS activity their account is likely to have.

Conclusion: paid trolls are a sign that someone want's the price down.

Secondary conclusion: someone wants cheap xmr and is priming it for a pump.

Third conclusion: buy xmr right now ;]

I think there are competitors who want to trash XMR and have nothing to do with wanting to buy low. But either way the trolls and sock puppet accounts are not to be taken at face value.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
I want to point something out for those who haven't noticed:

Seems to me there is a strong positive correlation between the negativity behind someone's post and the lack of activity associated with the account. In other words: The more positive a comment is, the more activity that person is likely to have,

and the more negative their comment is, the LESS activity their account is likely to have.

Conclusion: paid trolls are a sign that someone want's the price down.

Secondary conclusion: someone wants cheap xmr and is priming it for a pump.

Third conclusion: buy xmr right now ;]
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
OOOHHHH

lots of trolls



that mean's I'm going to make a lot of money soon =D
legendary
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wow sooo many trolls Shocked
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

You realize that every time someone buys 7 it means someone else is selling 7 and someone selling 700 means someone else is buying 700? 100% of the time.

Try again with some valid logic.

When I said buy = buy at the asks,
And DUMP = dump at the buy orders!

And this matters why? I have traded on exchanges and I have often placed sell orders (i.e. the ask) when I wanted to sell reduce my holdings (but not necessarily at this immediate second) or placed buy orders when I wanted to buy.

You have a warped view of how exchanges work where market orders are somehow more important or more real than listed orders. That is false.

newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

You realize that every time someone buys 7 it means someone else is selling 7 and someone selling 700 means someone else is buying 700? 100% of the time.

Try again with some valid logic.

When I said buy = buy at the asks,
And DUMP = dump at the buy orders!

R U IDIOT!?

It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

That's quite the activity level you have there, Looking good!
Ah, so this thread is about me and not monero?
Another MORON.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
Who cares?
It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

That's quite the activity level you have there, Looking good!
sr. member
Activity: 770
Merit: 250
I've been across many alt-coins, but I have never found one as enticing as Monero. That's why I've begun working on creating a website(s) for Monero as a currency/platform for the anonymous sending of digital "cash".
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
If the low price hurts the coin (some aspect of its economy or adoption), then it's not necessary beneficial.

But I am not personally complaining. (Trying hard not to divulge how many XMR I bought yesterday and today, since the number is not insignificant)  Cool

i bought some XMR and i'm thinking about picking up some more (to be honest, merely by looking at the passion others have for this coin).  

BUT....  the decline has been long and steady.  What do you think is driving this?  And how can this coin recover?

In the immediate short term, what is causing it is declining speculative interest in buying.

In the slightly longer term, what is causing it is nothing useful to do with the coin other than speculate, so 100% of the buyers are currently speculators (and as above, fewer of them want to buy).

If actual applications can be found and/or developed for the coin, then the load carried by speculators can be reduced, and in turn this will also likely increase speculative interest.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Who cares?
I think both AnonyMint and fluffypony are great guys!

Indeed.  I enjoy reading the posts of anonymint and fluffypony.  I find that I always learn something interesting I didn't know before.

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If the low price hurts the coin (some aspect of its economy or adoption), then it's not necessary beneficial.

But I am not personally complaining. (Trying hard not to divulge how many XMR I bought yesterday and today, since the number is not insignificant)

I've been waiting for the price to drop further before I purchase more.  Sometimes I think I should go all in, but that's never a good idea.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?

You realize that every time someone buys 7 it means someone else is selling 7 and someone selling 700 means someone else is buying 700? 100% of the time.

Try again with some valid logic.
newbie
Activity: 5
Merit: 0
It's dead Jim!
Look at all those dumps! Someone buys 7, then someone dumps 700!
Whale unloading his bag?
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 521
wolf0, mixers are honeypots.

The statement "mixers are honeypots" is a blanket statement that is obviously untrue, seeing as anyone can start a mixer.

Mixer is useless until it is popular.

Once it is popular, a server-based mixer, analogous to a server-baed VPN, is a honeypot.

Besides that, if after you use a mixer, you deposit at an exchange in a country that hates yours (I'm in the USA, and Russia hates the US about as much as I do) - you get unlinked coins most of the time, as long as you wait a bit and withdraw a different amount.
 Now, yes, their government could easily get the records from the exchange, but if the US comes to Russia and asks about some tx history, they're going to tell them they can shove their subpoena up their ass. As long as I don't have any beef with Russia, those who know don't care, and those who care don't know.

And Russians can do the same thing hiding their money from their government in the USA. So what do you think happens with both the USA and Russia need more tax revenue in this coming global debt collapse?

Of course the governments will agree to share information on those who are trying to launder money.

About the NSA, yes, they are a problem, but they are not law enforcement, and unless it's a serious matter like terrorism, they're not going to waste their time helping law enforcement. They have a job to do - which is mostly clearing people for access to sensitive info by spying on them and finding out everything about them in the US, and outside the US, spying on everyone for other reasons. We do need to come up with a solution, but XMR is not it.

Incorrect. The NSA has actually committed to help the G20 track down all the wealth. I put a link to the news story in my first post yesterday. If you are not going to bother to read the links I provide, then I can't have a discussion with you.

The entire reason the NSA and Britian's GCHQ are tracking everyone is because the plan is to hunt down all the wealth.

My sentiment is Fuck the NSA.
hero member
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If the low price hurts the coin (some aspect of its economy or adoption), then it's not necessary beneficial.

But I am not personally complaining. (Trying hard not to divulge how many XMR I bought yesterday and today, since the number is not insignificant)  Cool

i bought some XMR and i'm thinking about picking up some more (to be honest, merely by looking at the passion others have for this coin). 

BUT....  the decline has been long and steady.  What do you think is driving this?  And how can this coin recover?
donator
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My own interests are best served, for the time-being, by the lowest possible price.

If the low price hurts the coin (some aspect of its economy or adoption), then it's not necessary beneficial.

But I am not personally complaining. (Trying hard not to divulge how many XMR I bought yesterday and today, since the number is not insignificant)  Cool
kbm
member
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I think both AnonyMint and fluffypony are great guys!

+1

Actually, there are many people here who I can literally say have made me more intelligent just from sharing their thoughts in these posts.

legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
price is temporarily relatively low and people start pressuring the developers for cosmetic changes (website, etc) won't do any good

Any such pressure is not a pro-Monero position, I think. Their own interests would probably be better served by a 180 degree course reversal. I consider them, therefore, insane counselors.
Not that there is anything wrong with a website, or that cosmetic work is ultimately unimportant.  But infrastructure and technology is the current priority, overwhelmingly.

My own interests are best served, for the time-being, by the lowest possible price.  Although the conclusions of a rational method seem absurd, I am loathe to elevate my sense of humor or normalcy bias above modeling best practices, so I am acting on the premise that the central tendency in the majority of scenarios is for XMR to denominate on the order of 7% of global base money in the long run.  An opportunity to accumulate at prices several orders of magnitude lower is historical, precious.

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