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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1659. (Read 4670972 times)

newbie
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I'm disappointed in Monero’s  debs. They could at least make a nice website, since they compete for the title of best developers.

Best what? Best web developer?  Huh

They are position themselves as excellent and clever developers of one of the best alternative cryptocurrencies
newbie
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Merit: 0
I'm disappointed in Monero’s  debs. They could at least make a nice website, since they compete for the title of best developers.

Them, best developers? For God’s sake! A better title would be the best scammers. IMO, that’s all they deserve.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1000
I'm disappointed in Monero’s  debs. They could at least make a nice website, since they compete for the title of best developers.

Best what? Best web developer?  Huh
newbie
Activity: 266
Merit: 0
I'm disappointed in Monero’s  debs. They could at least make a nice website, since they compete for the title of best developers.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1000
I heard there are very few people who really do mine Monero and the developers use botnet to maximize the demand for this coin. Is it true?

Yep, the Monero team is just a bunch of hackers. In fact, the way they do things, the prospects are dark for this coin.

I agree that XMR team are hackers which are very competent in coding and managing the network. It is great for XMR future. Not sure why you think that "the prospects are dark for this coin"  Cheesy I believe that you find "the prospects are bright for DRK" because DRK supporters are bunch of liars  Tongue
legendary
Activity: 1106
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mixers are honeypots.

Yes. Mixing is never the solution for anonymity.

Anonymous coins with mixer are total scam.


Tell it to DRK supporters. They tend to disagree Wink
newbie
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Merit: 0
I heard there are very few people who really do mine Monero and the developers use botnet to maximize the demand for this coin. Is it true?

Yep, the Monero team is just a bunch of hackers. In fact, the way they do things, the prospects are dark for this coin.
legendary
Activity: 1106
Merit: 1000
I heard there are very few people who really do mine Monero and the developers use botnet to maximize the demand for this coin. Is it true?

botnet is exaggerated by DRK liars. Wink XMR miming is dominated by GPU miners and CPU cloud miners
sr. member
Activity: 476
Merit: 250
I heard there are very few people who really do mine Monero and the developers use botnet to maximize the demand for this coin. Is it true?

Not true at all, i am curious where you heard that  Shocked
member
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 I heard there are very few people who really do mine Monero and the developers use botnet to maximize the demand for this coin. Is it true?
legendary
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With rare exception, every state on the planet grows larger, more tyranical, more confiscatory, and more dangerous with each passing year.
Except known history does not bear this out. Pretty much all ancient societies were socialist as Igor Shafaravich's research  bears out in his book The Socialist Phenomenon..
More recently we have seen various experiments against this trend

Yea you know i may be unfairly looking at the world through the lens of my own perspective. My government (that is to say the government that rules over me not the government that i own Tongue) started out small and has grown out of control over the last 200 years. However most other governments were much more tyrannical 200 years ago than they are today. Grin
legendary
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With rare exception, every state on the planet grows larger, more tyranical, more confiscatory, and more dangerous with each passing year.
Except known history does not bear this out. Pretty much all ancient societies were socialist as Igor Shafaravich's research  bears out in his book The Socialist Phenomenon..
More recently we have seen various experiments against this trend
donator
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1060
GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
I assume you failed to read the what I posted, for you seem to be unaware that (both I2P and Tor admit on their websites that) timing attacks only require the adversary to control the router at the entry and exit nodes in order to de-obfuscate the IP address of the user (or possibly for several users in the mix depending on the statistics of the low-latency and other factors), there is no need to invade the user's computer with exotic methods you mentioned.

Even hackers can (sometimes) do that.

I understand perfectly well what you've written, you seem to have misunderstood what I have written.

First, stop talking about Tor, we've never mentioned Tor and have already rejected it due to the problems inherent in their use of exit nodes.

Now: we are not aiming to prevent a global adversary who has control of all bordergates at all ISPs on the planet from making assertions and observations. We are aiming to prevent them from knowing whether Monero is running or not. They can know I2P is running, that we don't care about, but they should not be able to determine whether the person is harmlessly browsing the web or using Monero without completely decrypting the traffic.

Why? Because a wannabe "global police state" (without resorting to the exotic methods I described) cannot possibly go after millions or billions of people around the world under the control of regimes and governments of all sorts merely for using a communications system.

I understand that you're a terribly clever and opinionated chap, but don't assume that we are ignorant or that we have made decisions for no good reason. I2P integration is for a specific purpose and is fully expected to be a stopgap if its shortcomings are not solved over time.
legendary
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http://xmr.prohash.net

Why don't you just put it in your signature and participate in the discussion ?
Spamming is not effective for pool promotion.
newbie
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hero member
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The design goal of I2P integration isn't to solve the "perfect anonymity" problem. It is purely to obfuscate a single node's traffic so that an attacker with complete control over that node's Internet router has no clue whether Monero is running or not. To that end, using something like I2P is advantageous (over using our own obfuscation such as RC4 (like Skype) or DNS tunnelling) as it means an attacker is at best able to determine that I2P is running, not what I2P is doing.

Of course, someone like the NSA may have methods of remotely accessing RAM of a running system, which means they can access unencrypted data in-RAM. They could also have all sorts of arcane tools and exotic hardware for breaking various encryption algorithms. No amount of cleverness from our side is going to fix that.

I assume you failed to read the what I posted, for you seem to be unaware that (both I2P and Tor admit on their websites that) timing attacks only require the adversary to control the router at the entry and exit nodes in order to de-obfuscate the IP address of the user (or possibly for several users in the mix depending on the statistics of the low-latency and other factors), there is no need to invade the user's computer with exotic methods you mentioned.

Even hackers can (sometimes) do that.

With rare exception, every state on the planet grows larger, more tyranical, more confiscatory, and more dangerous with each passing year. I get that they aren’t a huge threat to people like yourselves right now. The point is just that if this trend continues, and there is no clear reason to expect that it wont, than they will become a threat to everyone at some point in the future. Whether something changes this trend or how far away this is i don’t know. What i do know is that if this trend doesn’t reverse, than everyone will be in danger at some point in the future and i dont think it behoves us to operate under the assumption that this threat is far off in the future.

It accelerates radically 2016 - 2020.
legendary
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The boogeyman is not likely to kill us any time soon.

Maybe sooner than you think. We would do well to act quickly. I may disagree with anonymint on some points, but i think we would agree on this one.

I do agree that there are fundamental improvements we can make over a (relatively) short time frame. It is important to note that I am in South Africa, and much of the core team are in Europe and some in Canada - and that's just the core team, all others heavily involved notwithstanding. We're not completely out of reach of an adversary with global reach, but it is unlikely that they can touch all of us at the same time at this early juncture, which means there is *some* time to play with when solving this extremely hard to solve (and practically unlikely) threat.

With rare exception, every state on the planet grows larger, more tyranical, more confiscatory, and more dangerous with each passing year. I get that they aren’t a huge threat to people like yourselves right now. The point is just that if this trend continues, and there is no clear reason to expect that it wont, than they will become a threat to everyone at some point in the future. Whether something changes this trend or how far away this is i don’t know. What i do know is that if this trend doesn’t reverse, than everyone will be in danger at some point in the future and i dont think it behoves us to operate under the assumption that this threat is far off in the future.
legendary
Activity: 1190
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Global sovereign debt collapse (which means global wealth confiscation, war, chaos, and descending into the economic abyss).\
So ...are you really saying this will ruin every corner of the globe? if not then what portions are you talking about?
It's just that you keep mentioning Europe and America...but that's all you mention but you keep calling it "global".

So...is it global or is it just Europe and the USA?
donator
Activity: 1274
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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
The socialism doesn't need to be omniscient. Fact is we can study history and see what happens every time. The masses ride the socialism all the way down until it comes after them too. Then war and chaos. Then reset.

Implementation is critical (damn don't I know that!), for without it then all the theory and talk is useless. And it is true that the coin with the best implementation will be able to cherry pick the best features from other coins, but only if some aspect of its inertia prevents it. I think without a holistic design early on, there is a risk for Monero either to fall into the inertia trap that Bitcoin fell into, or not reach critical mass. I will not try to quantify that risk, as I don't want to take a political position. I shared some technical analysis. I do desire the NSA-blinded coin (don't you?).

Design parameters can be important if they impact exponential differences in adoption rate, as that impacts the prior paragraph.

Integrating I2P or Tor with a coin isn't a bad thing, it can supplement any other anonymity added.

The design goal of I2P integration isn't to solve the "perfect anonymity" problem. It is purely to obfuscate a single node's traffic so that an attacker with complete control over that node's Internet router has no clue whether Monero is running or not. To that end, using something like I2P is advantageous (over using our own obfuscation such as RC4 (like Skype) or DNS tunnelling) as it means an attacker is at best able to determine that I2P is running, not what I2P is doing.

Of course, someone like the NSA may have methods of remotely accessing RAM of a running system, which means they can access unencrypted data in-RAM. They could also have all sorts of arcane tools and exotic hardware for breaking various encryption algorithms. No amount of cleverness from our side is going to fix that.
donator
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1060
GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
The boogeyman is not likely to kill us any time soon.

Maybe sooner than you think. We would do well to act quickly. I may disagree with anonymint on some points, but i think we would agree on this one.

I do agree that there are fundamental improvements we can make over a (relatively) short time frame. It is important to note that I am in South Africa, and much of the core team are in Europe and some in Canada - and that's just the core team, all others heavily involved notwithstanding. We're not completely out of reach of an adversary with global reach, but it is unlikely that they can touch all of us at the same time at this early juncture, which means there is *some* time to play with when solving this extremely hard to solve (and practically unlikely) threat.
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