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newbie
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  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.

This question and subsequent answer is one that has been rolling around my noodle for awhile now.  While I think I agree with the answer in the immediate time frame, I don't think I do long term.

Many are looking at current global economics and coming to the conclusion that our debt based economies are so severely overspent that their inertia will undoubtedly carry us over a horrendous cliff.  When seems to be the only question.  With that as my base outlook on the future, I don't see the future use of XMR in the same light.  This is a total work in progress for me, so please understand I may change my  pov at a moments notice Smiley

If we are indeed heading for not just an economic crash, but economic devastation, I make a few assumptions
1) Government controls will be applied in a way that can only be described as draconian, controlling and martial.  They will be defended as necessary for protection of the state and it's people
2) Property seizures in the interest of the state will occur.  We in the US saw this with gold seizure under Roosevelt.  401k's, pensions, savings, gold holdings , possibly personal property and even BTC may be demanded.  Just look at Cyrpess for recent seizures
3) Considering the known current technical capabilities of organizations such as the NSA, I have no reason to doubt that if they turned their attention to asset gathering, deep blockchain analysis, federal warrants on data from companies such as Coinbase, Mintpal, mixers and the like will turn up many, many BTC holders.  Simple threats of imprisonment or even accusations of treason would undoubtedly result in the handover of many wallets and passwords
4) A fully anonymous blockchain such as XMR's would be as close to the Swiss Bank of old as one could possibly get.  This is all obviously ignoring those in the world that can right now, today, desperately use a means to safeguard their assets from a corrupt government.

Now, if the above were true, then how one used XMR would not fall in line with the answer above.  XMR transfers (or any other anonymous coin of any type) would categorically never be used to pay a business.  You would never transfer XMR funds to an entity that already was deeply involved in government reporting (taxes) or would potentially have a address that could be associated with you (drop location?  Sure there are no cameras around?).  Fundamentally, XMR transfers would always be person to person with full anonymity in-place (anonymous contracts for instance) or complete trust of the recipient.  In this scenario, since many or most transactions would be more public (buying groceries, paying for housing, everyday living), a suitable anonymous XMR->accepted fiat would need to be in place to usable on the small scale.  If you think your local grocery could just accept XMR on the down-low, just look up and wave at the camera next time you're buying your tomatoes and milk.  You would need a supply of daily money as well as a secure money store.  It's the secure movement back and forth that has me pensive.
newbie
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And looks like possibility to use monero as is on 64 bit windows with 4 GB RAM will be over very soon.

Can you elaborate on this point. Why would you require more than 4GB of ram in the future to run monero? (i'm pretty sure the computer im using has 4gb of ram)

because bitmonerod has to load the entire blockchain on the ram as of now, and its larger than the actual size on disk

If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

I'm running 64-bit and 4GB RAM.  With Monero and nothing else running my RAM usage is at 80%

ETA: Windows 8.1 so not all of the 80% is Monero.  Monero is ~ 2.3 GB

Well, it's a little more complicated than that.

You say Monero is 2.3GB and it has to be loaded into memory, however, that may not mean what you think it does.  See, on a 64-bit Windows computer, you can run a process that requires 16GB of active memory on a machine that only has 4GB of physical RAM installed.  It can do this by virtue of virtual memory.  Virtual memory is a contiguous memory space available for running processes that sits atop multiple memory spaces.  Indeed there is the physical memory, but the paging file is included and L-cache memory is included as well.  Processes that exhaust the available physical memory, get paged out to the paging file which is part of the same contiguous allocated memory space.  Paging space is order of magnitude slower than physical memory, but is very useful for a) efficient physical RAM utilization (seldom access memory or pre-cached memory can be paged out to the file, freeing up much faster RAM) and b) spikes in memory needs that exceed installed RAM.  Heavy paging will induce disk thrashing which will slow the system down drastically, but that is secondary to this explanation.

Point to all this is that the blockchain can grow quite large (>4GB) and still be functional on a 64-bit Windows machine with 4GB of physical RAM assuming a sufficiently sized paging file is defined which is default on later Windows installs.  Will it be a pleasant experience?  No, but it will be functional.

32-bit OS are not included in the above scenario, however.  32-bit OS's only allow for a 4GB address space in total for any given process.  Furthermore, that 4GB space is then divided into a 2GB application space and a 2GB OS space so a process needing more than 2GB of usable space cannot function.  Now, you can enable PAE to shift this split to 3GB/1GB, but you're still going to ride up against that 3GB cap at some point.  Applications can be written to use AWE memory, but, well, this is getting pointless.  Instead of trying to fix this issue in code, change the operation so that the blockchain is kept in a DB with only a small part loaded in active memory at any given time and be done with it.  Exactly what the developers are working on.
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
 If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?

This all depends (right now at least) what country you plan on cashing out on - for example, as a us citizen, i'd have to pay major capitol gains on taxes to explain how i got so rich and moved to mexico.

Right now, in this early stage, EVERY country has differnet btc rules/laws. you can't just say oh i can cash out my xmr tomorrow on whatever exchange and get rich anonymously. where is the brain behind that idea again? sorry, just being real, cuz this seems kinda out there to me, other than the protocol and design, but still it won't help you cash out btc in the uSA right now.. just sayin.... :\  

EDIT / TL;DR - i understand the whitepaper, i'm a nerd. what I don't understand is people assuming they can cash it all out on btc anonymously. thx!
Who said anything about cashing out?  Why would I want to do that?  I just don't want my sweet Juanita's gangster cousin Carlos to be able to trace my latest online purchase (for which I will be happy to pay all taxes, including capital gains) back to my XMR hoard. 

hahaha, nice! .. +1 brother! Smiley
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?

people are crazy is all. xmr is so undervalued. i suppose it simply doesnt have a flashy advertisement campaign. i hope merit can overcome its lack of marketing.
Call me stupid, but I actually like the Monero website: no bullshit bling, just the facts, very easy to use, and the logo looks both serious and cool.

me too, i was just thinking that after checking it out again.... This coin has real potential, and i'm no shill, just an early investor! Smiley

(and i'm not pumping shit. i'm holding as i've said all along in this thread, and not buying more either to be honest, only cuz i'm fiat-poor atm... Cheesy  
newbie
Activity: 14
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 If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?

This all depends (right now at least) what country you plan on cashing out on - for example, as a us citizen, i'd have to pay major capitol gains on taxes to explain how i got so rich and moved to mexico.

Right now, in this early stage, EVERY country has differnet btc rules/laws. you can't just say oh i can cash out my xmr tomorrow on whatever exchange and get rich anonymously. where is the brain behind that idea again? sorry, just being real, cuz this seems kinda out there to me, other than the protocol and design, but still it won't help you cash out btc in the uSA right now.. just sayin.... :\  

EDIT / TL;DR - i understand the whitepaper, i'm a nerd. what I don't understand is people assuming they can cash it all out on btc anonymously. thx!
Who said anything about cashing out?  Why would I want to do that?  I just don't want my sweet Juanita's gangster cousin Carlos to be able to trace my latest online purchase (for which I will be happy to pay all taxes, including capital gains) back to my XMR hoard. 
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?

people are crazy is all. xmr is so undervalued. i suppose it simply doesnt have a flashy advertisement campaign. i hope merit can overcome its lack of marketing.
Call me stupid, but I actually like the Monero website: no bullshit bling, just the facts, very easy to use, and the logo looks both serious and cool.
legendary
Activity: 3570
Merit: 1959
 If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?

This all depends (right now at least) what country you plan on cashing out on - for example, as a us citizen, i'd have to pay major capitol gains on taxes to explain how i got so rich and moved to mexico.

Right now, in this early stage, EVERY country has differnet btc rules/laws. you can't just say oh i can cash out my xmr tomorrow on whatever exchange and get rich anonymously. where is the brain behind that idea again? sorry, just being real, cuz this seems kinda out there to me, other than the protocol and design, but still it won't help you cash out btc in the uSA right now.. just sayin.... :\  

EDIT / TL;DR - i understand the whitepaper, i'm a nerd. what I don't understand is people assuming they can cash it all out on btc anonymously. thx!
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?

people are crazy is all. xmr is so undervalued. i suppose it simply doesnt have a flashy advertisement campaign. i hope merit can overcome its lack of marketing.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?

absolutely, no one will ever know the size of your original xmr stash, only possible to know is what was converted to btc and/or cash.
But that's amazing!  I'm in.  What are people waiting for?
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

+1 lol

The majority of internet-connected computers are 32-bit, no PAE.

It is a serious freaking problem.


Well i didn't say that but i still tend to agree with it. Who the heck runs a 32 bit machine any more? Like actually tell me someone you know who does and isnt >90 years old.
Most smartphones?

I dont think its reasonable to expect smartphones to run full nodes either way.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?

good question lol, and in the scenario you get rich from XMR, it will for sure be accepted in lots of places so in the ideal world you trade services directly with xmr, otherwise you'll have to deal with xmr->btc or even xmr->btc->cash transactions.
And if the latter, will my XMR anonymity be preserved?
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

+1 lol

The majority of internet-connected computers are 32-bit, no PAE.

It is a serious freaking problem.


Well i didn't say that but i still tend to agree with it. Who the heck runs a 32 bit machine any more? Like actually tell me someone you know who does and isnt >90 years old.

Everyone I know has 96 cores and 256 GB RAM with 2TB SSD on their desk.  That's irrelevant.  Count the computers in India, China, Africa, South America, Eastern Europe which are running on 32-bit cpus, no PAE.  It is a big freaking problem.  Thin client does not fix the problem for them.  

I'm not upset or overly concerned about this.  It will be fixed in due time.  It is what it is.  But until it is fixed, it remains a big freaking problem.
full member
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If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

+1 lol

The majority of internet-connected computers are 32-bit, no PAE.

It is a serious freaking problem.


Well i didn't say that but i still tend to agree with it. Who the heck runs a 32 bit machine any more? Like actually tell me someone you know who does and isnt >90 years old.
Most smartphones?
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

+1 lol

The majority of internet-connected computers are 32-bit, no PAE.

It is a serious freaking problem.


Well i didn't say that but i still tend to agree with it. Who the heck runs a 32 bit machine any more? Like actually tell me someone you know who does and isnt >90 years old.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

+1 lol

The majority of internet-connected computers are 32-bit, no PAE.

It is a serious freaking problem.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
Here is some antifud. I'm just so excited. This is the very first anonymous crypto (other than premine bytecoin). We have cryptos with anonymity (darkcoin) but a crypto with anonymity is not the same thing as a crypto that is anonymous. There is a huge difference. And so to commemorate this monumental event here is a exert from future imperfect by david d friedman.

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During World War II, George Orwell wrote regular articles for Partisan Review, an American magazine. Near the end of the war, he wrote a retrospective in which he discussed what he had gotten right and what wrong.9 One of his conclusions was that he was generally right about the way the world was moving, wrong about how fast it would get there. He correctly saw the logical pattern but failed to allow for the enormous inertia of human society.

Similarly here. David Chaum’s articles laying out the groundwork for fully anonymous electronic money were published in technical journals in the 1980s and summarized in a 1992 article in Scientific American. Ever since then various people, myself among them, have been predicting the rise of ecash along the lines he sketched. While pieces of his vision have become real in other contexts, there is as yet nothing close to a fully anonymous ecash available for general use. Chaum himself, working with the Mark Twain Bank of Saint Louis, attempted to get a semi-anonymous ecash into circulation – one that permitted one party to a transaction to be identified by joint action of the other party and the bank. The effort failed and was abandoned.10

One reason it has not happened is that online commerce has only very recently become large enough to justify it. A second reason, I suspect but cannot prove, is that national governments are unhappy with the idea of a widely used money that they cannot control and so are reluctant to permit (heavily regulated) private banks to create such a money. A third and closely related reason is that a truly anonymous ecash would eliminate a profitable form of law enforcement. There is no practical way to enforce money-laundering laws once it is possible to move arbitrarily large amounts of money anywhere in the world, untraceably, with the click of a mouse. A final reason is that ecash is only useful to me if many other people are using it, which raises a problem in getting it started.

These factors have slowed the introduction of ecash. I do not think they will stop it. It only takes one country willing to permit it and one issuing institution in that country willing to issue it, to bring ecash into existence. Once it exists, it will be politically difficult for other countries to forbid their citizens from using it and practically difficult, if it is forbidden, to enforce the ban. There are a lot of countries in the world, even if we limit ourselves to ones with sufficiently stable institutions so that people elsewhere will trust their money. Hence my best guess is that some version of one of the moneys I have described in this chapter will come into existence sometime in the next decade or so.

ITS FINALLY HERE DAVID!
newbie
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I totally agree!
They like unacceptable acts such as stealing the coin right from the founding father’s arms (thankful-for-today) and stealing the code from BCN team ( as I  noticed)


TFT is a "founding father" for using CN open source code.
XMR Devs are "thieves" for using CN open source code.

Double standard much?

Also look up open source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

What does XMR dev team do actually?Which creatives belongs to XMR dev team?

go to github and see for yourself, no one has to prove anything to you or anyone here, first you need to learn how opensource works, anyway, keep crying your fud, it wont chance anything.

Sorry,I donn't know coding.Maybe it is only for skilled persons.
newbie
Activity: 14
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 If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.

Using Bitcoin wanting to protect your stash from prying is a real pain because you have to take extra precautions and use other services, while with Monero you can just have one address and use different levels of mixing when sending transactions to match the level of privacy you would like to ensure, this is what bitcoin had to be since day one, but they got most of the people saying its a plus for accountability, and it really is and thats why I think bitcoin and monero will co-exist.
So let's say I get stinking rich with XMR next week, and move immediately to the Pacific coast of Mexico with the intention of sipping margaritas and watching whales from my beach hut with a chica at my side so hot I know it's only because I'm rich but I don't care because I'm just so stinking rich: will I have to wait for businesses to accept XMR directly before I can order refills (of the drinks, and possibly also the chica, if she misbehaves) online, or is there some way to tap into the already existing BTC marketplace while enjoying XMR anonymity?
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I totally agree!
They like unacceptable acts such as stealing the coin right from the founding father’s arms (thankful-for-today) and stealing the code from BCN team ( as I  noticed)


TFT is a "founding father" for using CN open source code.
XMR Devs are "thieves" for using CN open source code.

Double standard much?

Also look up open source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source

What does XMR dev team do actually?Which creatives belongs to XMR dev team?
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OK, so there is no such thing as a completely anonymous crypto coin.  I get it.  Also, like most people, I accept that if the US govt. really wants to find out what I am up to financially or otherwise, they will be able to do this.  Call me a traitor to the crypto movement, but I really don't give a rat's ass about the NSA, wikileaks, Snowden, etc.  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry. That said, would one of you crypto nerds please answer the following question: If I become stinking rich buying XMR at current prices and decide to retire down in good old Mexico in two years (or less - more likely) with chicas and tequila, will the anonymity it does provide at least protect me from Mexican gangsters?  If you can assure me that it will, then of course I'm in.

Cryptonote does provide the promise of real anonymity. Its just a question of how high of a mixin count does the software force on everyone. Also you have to do some other things like smart ring signature matching and an alternative to payment ID's. If we do all of this and force a mixin count of something like 6 on everyone than transactions would be quite expensive, however no one, not even the nsa, could ever figure out what the heck was going on inside of our network. If you just want to protect against blanket spying but not targeted spying against specific individuals than everyone using a mixin count of 2 or 3 would probably be plenty. So its a trade off, true anonymity is possible just expensive. As for gangsters in mexico, no problem, the software in its current form could probably protect you from that.

Any mixin greater than zero is enough to provide plausible deniability in the block chain, though larger mixins provide additional security by cripling the ability to rule out other parties as possible transactors.

If everyone in the network is using a mixin count that is high enough, it can go way beyond the level of plausible deniability. It can get to the point where an outside observer cant even make an educated guess as to which coins belong to whom.
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