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Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1674. (Read 4670972 times)

hero member
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OK, so there is no such thing as a completely anonymous crypto coin.  I get it.  Also, like most people, I accept that if the US govt. really wants to find out what I am up to financially or otherwise, they will be able to do this.  Call me a traitor to the crypto movement, but I really don't give a rat's ass about the NSA, wikileaks, Snowden, etc.  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry. That said, would one of you crypto nerds please answer the following question: If I become stinking rich buying XMR at current prices and decide to retire down in good old Mexico in two years (or less - more likely) with chicas and tequila, will the anonymity it does provide at least protect me from Mexican gangsters?  If you can assure me that it will, then of course I'm in.

Cryptonote does provide the promise of real anonymity. Its just a question of how high of a mixin count does the software force on everyone. Also you have to do some other things like smart ring signature matching and an alternative to payment ID's. If we do all of this and force a mixin count of something like 6 on everyone than transactions would be quite expensive, however no one, not even the nsa, could ever figure out what the heck was going on inside of our network. If you just want to protect against blanket spying but not targeted spying against specific individuals than everyone using a mixin count of 2 or 3 would probably be plenty. So its a trade off, true anonymity is possible just expensive. As for gangsters in mexico, no problem, the software in its current form could probably protect you from that.

Any mixin greater than zero is enough to provide plausible deniability in the block chain, though larger mixins provide additional security by cripling the ability to rule out other parties as possible transactors.
newbie
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Beautiful.  And so is Mexico - don't believe what you hear in the gringo news.  For my wealthy Mexican friends, anonymity in their banking business is something they have so far only been able to dream of (they can't even trust their local, poorly paid bank tellers - kidnapping is a very real, day to day fear as a consequence).  I'm in, and I'm sure they will be too.
legendary
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OK, so there is no such thing as a completely anonymous crypto coin.  I get it.  Also, like most people, I accept that if the US govt. really wants to find out what I am up to financially or otherwise, they will be able to do this.  Call me a traitor to the crypto movement, but I really don't give a rat's ass about the NSA, wikileaks, Snowden, etc.  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry. That said, would one of you crypto nerds please answer the following question: If I become stinking rich buying XMR at current prices and decide to retire down in good old Mexico in two years (or less - more likely) with chicas and tequila, will the anonymity it does provide at least protect me from Mexican gangsters?  If you can assure me that it will, then of course I'm in.

Cryptonote does provide the promise of real anonymity. Its just a question of how high of a mixin count does the software force on everyone. Also you have to do some other things like smart ring signature matching and an alternative to payment ID's. If we do all of this and force a mixin count of something like 6 on everyone than transactions would be quite expensive, however no one, not even the nsa, could ever figure out what the heck was going on inside of our network. If you just want to protect against blanket spying but not targeted spying against specific individuals than everyone using a mixin count of 2 or 3 would probably be plenty. So its a trade off, true anonymity is possible just expensive. As for gangsters in mexico, no problem, the software in its current form could probably protect you from that.
legendary
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getmonero.org
  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry.

Real life isnt a Hollywood movie with good cop ending. No it wont  if you are clever enough.

That being said i am sure Bitcoin is enough for your needs.
legendary
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And looks like possibility to use monero as is on 64 bit windows with 4 GB RAM will be over very soon.

Can you elaborate on this point. Why would you require more than 4GB of ram in the future to run monero? (i'm pretty sure the computer im using has 4gb of ram)

because bitmonerod has to load the entire blockchain on the ram as of now, and its larger than the actual size on disk

If you're still running 32-bit, you probably are a senior or something and shouldn't be messing with magic internet money.

I'm running 64-bit and 4GB RAM.  With Monero and nothing else running my RAM usage is at 80%

ETA: Windows 8.1 so not all of the 80% is Monero.  Monero is ~ 2.3 GB
newbie
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OK, so there is no such thing as a completely anonymous crypto coin.  I get it.  Also, like most people, I accept that if the US govt. really wants to find out what I am up to financially or otherwise, they will be able to do this.  Call me a traitor to the crypto movement, but I really don't give a rat's ass about the NSA, wikileaks, Snowden, etc.  If the state really wants to come down on our freedoms, it will, sorry. That said, would one of you crypto nerds please answer the following question: If I become stinking rich buying XMR at current prices and decide to retire down in good old Mexico in two years (or less - more likely) with chicas and tequila, will the anonymity it does provide at least protect me from Mexican gangsters?  If you can assure me that it will, then of course I'm in.
legendary
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And looks like possibility to use monero as is on 64 bit windows with 4 GB RAM will be over very soon.

Can you elaborate on this point. Why would you require more than 4GB of ram in the future to run monero? (i'm pretty sure the computer im using has 4gb of ram)

because bitmonerod has to load the entire blockchain on the ram as of now, and its larger than the actual size on disk

The devs obviously have some sort of idea how to deal with this right? I mean obviously that isnt sustainable.
legendary
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And looks like possibility to use monero as is on 64 bit windows with 4 GB RAM will be over very soon.

Can you elaborate on this point. Why would you require more than 4GB of ram in the future to run monero? (i'm pretty sure the computer im using has 4gb of ram)
hero member
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This seems to be an interesting article

Judge Shoots Down ‘Bitcoin Isn’t Money’ Argument in Silk Road Trial http://www.wired.com/2014/07/silkroad-bitcoin-isnt-money/

"Projects like Darkcoin and Dark Wallet that seek to enable the anonymous use of cryptocurrency could also find themselves on thinner ice as that the limits of bitcoin’s legal anonymity have become clearer."

Goverment controls the media to much imo.

Cash is the #1 Black Market currency . How they going to ban that ?
full member
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Maybe it's a good idea to reupload blockchain to somewhat different than MegaUpload. They start to force some extension to download something that more than 1 gb.

And looks like possibility to use monero as is on 64 bit windows with 4 GB RAM will be over very soon. For some reason blockchain from OP always looks like not so big as when I synchronize it myself. So it's my last chance to get rid from XMR.

Actually, it's serious problem. My grammar is big problem too I guess.
hero member
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XYZ PUMP AND DUMP is headed for .006 BTC !


Thats not how you promote a coin Wink
Bagholder much ?
legendary
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Free spirit
Following this Monero post.

legendary
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In regards to the question of payment id's leaking information.

What if, instead of the sender generating a 1 time address from the recievers public key, the receiver generated a 1 time address and sent it to the sender, then the sender sent the transaction to that 1 time address.

Along those same lines, but solving some problems that may arise from the previous proposal, what if instead of one side generating a single nonce, each side generated their own nonce, shared them with each other, then the sender concatenated both nonces to use to generate the 1 time address to be used in the payment. the receiver would only need to scan the block chain with his own single key, and when identifying a payment would be able to identify who had sent it by the 1 time address they agreed upon.

Try not to take this idea too literally, its not the specifics that matter, but rather the GENERAL idea.

Even simpler: Single-use addresses are already created at the time of transaction (for stealth addressing). Would it not be possible to create single-use receiving addresses on-the-fly based on your wallet address?

Yes i think it would. Though, as the receiver, you would need to send a bundle of them to the sender. Not hard though.
hero member
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In regards to the question of payment id's leaking information.

What if, instead of the sender generating a 1 time address from the recievers public key, the receiver generated a 1 time address and sent it to the sender, then the sender sent the transaction to that 1 time address.

Along those same lines, but solving some problems that may arise from the previous proposal, what if instead of one side generating a single nonce, each side generated their own nonce, shared them with each other, then the sender concatenated both nonces to use to generate the 1 time address to be used in the payment. the receiver would only need to scan the block chain with his own single key, and when identifying a payment would be able to identify who had sent it by the 1 time address they agreed upon.

Try not to take this idea too literally, its not the specifics that matter, but rather the GENERAL idea.

Even simpler: Single-use addresses are already created at the time of transaction (for stealth addressing). Would it not be possible to create single-use receiving addresses on-the-fly based on your wallet address?
sr. member
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What did they do that was scandalous?

Actually they did NOT. Did not remove link to 32-bit binary Monero executabes from 1st sticky page of this thread.
Did not make sticky FAQ about typical end-user frustrations.
DId not fix html markup errors at official site.
Did not accept help except develope-related one.
...

But they DID promise! I want to believe ... (c)

Smiley






JESUS! ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!? SELLING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!

I've marked a humor sign Smiley Do not behave yourself as XC adopters Smiley

Sure Monero devs have their own motives for that...



Hi Btell. I own a good amount of Monero and a good amount of XC. Please stop posting stupid things in the XC thread and making fun of XC adopters. Thank you
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217
In regards to the question of payment id's leaking information.

What if, instead of the sender generating a 1 time address from the recievers public key, the receiver generated a 1 time address and sent it to the sender, then the sender sent the transaction to that 1 time address.

Along those same lines, but solving some problems that may arise from the previous proposal, what if instead of one side generating a single nonce, each side generated their own nonce, shared them with each other, then the sender concatenated both nonces to use to generate the 1 time address to be used in the payment. the receiver would only need to scan the block chain with his own single key, and when identifying a payment would be able to identify who had sent it by the 1 time address they agreed upon.

Try not to take this idea too literally, its not the specifics that matter, but rather the general idea.
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What did they do that was scandalous?

Actually they did NOT. Did not remove link to 32-bit binary Monero executabes from 1st sticky page of this thread.
Did not make sticky FAQ about typical end-user frustrations.
DId not fix html markup errors at official site.
Did not accept help except develope-related one.
...

But they DID promise! I want to believe ... (c)

Smiley



The new website is about to roll out in the next days and then we will create a proper FAQ, pool list and getting started page

JESUS! ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!? SELLING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!

I've marked a humor sign Smiley Do not behave yourself as XC adopters Smiley

Sure Monero devs have their own motives for that...

member
Activity: 119
Merit: 10

What did they do that was scandalous?

Actually they did NOT. Did not remove link to 32-bit binary Monero executabes from 1st sticky page of this thread.
Did not make sticky FAQ about typical end-user frustrations.
DId not fix html markup errors at official site.
Did not accept help except develope-related one.
...

But they DID promise! I want to believe ... (c)

Smiley



JESUS! ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!? SELLING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!

I've marked a humor sign Smiley Do not behave yourself as XC adopters Smiley

Sure Monero devs have their own motives for that...
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1217

What did they do that was scandalous?

Actually they did NOT. Did not remove link to 32-bit binary Monero executabes from 1st sticky page of this thread.
Did not make sticky FAQ about typical end-user frustrations.
DId not fix html markup errors at official site.
Did not accept help except develope-related one.
...

But they DID promise! I want to believe ... (c)

Smiley



JESUS! ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS!? SELLING EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!
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