[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 1887.

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Quote from: coine_smithe on June 03, 2014, 03:31:49 AM

I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse.

I've asked many times. I have asked to also be listed on the voting page many times.

They don't care for Monero.

Not really sure what else you want to do? Perhaps pay them some Bitcoins, they might add Monero then.

coine_smithe

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Says people who want fast cash over innovation and a life behind the coin

I'm sorry I don't understand your point. Are you saying I want fast cash or people who don't want it on Mintpal want fast cash? I actually don't own any of this coin right now because the price is falling.

I've also not had time yet to set up the miner. I tried but spent a few hours and ran into errors. I will try again soon though.

I just think to compete and draw in more community who can help build this coin it is important to get on a bigger exchange. This could be done by rallying support to petition Mintpal to at least add it to voting, or try to pass the hat around to buy votes, etc.

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There is no grand plan to stay off Mintpal. Mintpal just hasn't shown the interest in doing the development work to support cryptonote-based coins (totally different code base than everything else), as Poloniex and Bittrex did. At least not quickly.

If you want it on Mintpal, go tell Mintpal. 1000 users telling Mintpal they want it has more influence on them than we do.

Also, the web site will definitely be revamped. We had to put something functional (to host downloads and tutorials, etc.) up quickly and that's what we got. A better web site is in progress.

Thanks for the reply. I wrote some of these ideas before in this thread but didn't get much of a reply. I understand Mintpal seems to have had a chance to add this coin based on volume but passed. I think if there was a concentrated community effort to petition Mintpal then they might be more proactive. At the very least we should get them to add it to the voting list. It has more volume than almost all the coins on the voting lilst.

It's good to know the website will be worked on as well.

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Quote from: coine_smithe on June 03, 2014, 03:31:49 AM

I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

Says people who want fast cash over innovation and a life behind the coin

smooth

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Quote from: coine_smithe on June 03, 2014, 03:31:49 AM

I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

There is no grand plan to stay off Mintpal. Mintpal just hasn't shown the interest in doing the development work to support cryptonote-based coins (totally different code base than everything else), as Poloniex and Bittrex did. At least not quickly.

If you want it on Mintpal, go tell Mintpal. 1000 users telling Mintpal they want it has more influence on them than we do.

Also, the web site will definitely be revamped. We had to put something functional (to host downloads and tutorials, etc.) up quickly and that's what we got. A better web site is in progress.

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I agree with people who dislike the new logo. Things it reminds me of: a software company, a local skilled tradesman's logo (carpet cleaning, electrician, etc.), an employment agency, a corporation. In no way does it strike me as money. The site also has that very early 2000's vibe. It doesn't have that hip web 2.0 feel. Overall the branding is very poor in my opinion.

I'd also like to note that volume is falling and the price is flatlining while this coin idles away on Poloniex and Bittrex. I really feel that Mintpal should be a goal for this coin. "It's not ready yet" isn't an excuse. Blackcoin and Darkcoin are also not finished yet but they are still on there. When Darkcoin got put on there it was very early development compared to now. I feel there's some sentiment in this thread that people want the price low so people can accumulate the coin. Well if the price falls then the only people accumulating will be the hardcore fans and the idea that staying off Mintpal will improve distribution is faulty in my opinion.

I really like this coin and I'd like it to succeed but at least in the short term things are looking very rough around the edges.

Keyboard-Mash

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Quote from: fluffypony on June 03, 2014, 02:50:21 AM

lol - that's my wife's alma mater, top notch university:)

Ha, pretty small world I guess!

Not sure if I've seen this posted here yet, but there was a pretty good article about Monero and Bytecoin:

http://www.coinssource.com/monero-cryptonote-bytecoin-2nd-generation-anonymity/

There was also an article on bter discussing both currencies (if you can't understand, google translate does a decent enough translation):

https://cn.bter.com/article/655

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Quote from: fluffypony on June 03, 2014, 02:59:20 AM

Monero should always be handled professionally. This is not a libertarian wet dream from our perspective; we are trying to build and create something that will allow for financial transactions that are secure, private, and untraceable. We do not define use-cases for the project, which means that everything should always be kept clean and above-board:)

When it comes to mainstream a lot is still looked over. The level of transparency compared to banks and other market is almost non-existent. So the constant fear that is seen in the thread from the select few seems moot. Adoption will happen and this coin will stray from traditional roots because it works, this is all too unavoidable.

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Quote from: Spekulatius on June 02, 2014, 10:00:20 PM

Sorry guys, but Im not happy with how things are going! The logo is dull and plain as hell and doesnt stick out among 100 generic insurance company logos you can find in any phone book. Thats not even the troubling part. What really grinds my gears is that apparently you tackle the "professional" approach to run this project from the wrong end, submitting to some BS ISO compliance codes and choosing generic company logos for a project like this in a community like this is clearly the wrong way to go. You are supposed to think outside the box and not try to fit in it! This is the Crypto Revolution and not some credit card scheme 2.0. Please take the courage to be original, the community will thank you for it.

I like the Missives post and hope to see more of it regularly to keep us in the loop. Thats where Monero could shine over Bitcoins detached development team. Pls go on!

Monero should always be handled professionally. This is not a libertarian wet dream from our perspective; we are trying to build and create something that will allow for financial transactions that are secure, private, and untraceable. We do not define use-cases for the project, which means that everything should always be kept clean and above-board:)

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Quote from: Keyboard-Mash on June 02, 2014, 07:57:07 PM

This one wasn't bad either, for a precursor to understanding a node simulator: http://www.cs.sun.ac.za/rw778/files/2014/01/2014T1.pdf

lol - that's my wife's alma mater, top notch university:)

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Quote from: johncitizen on June 02, 2014, 11:28:28 PM

Im going to be straight up. That logo is absurd.

Great software, great devs. Cant fault that. Marketing is below standard. That logo needs to go. I would like to know what respectable, profit driven pr/marketing firm would endorse such a thing. That is the furtherest image from professional and trustworthy. Truly, I have seen scamcoins produce better. Great marketing comes with a price tag and doesn't come from a basement. Start a donation thread for marketing campaign/development and award the contract to a first class business- That is something I would support.

We consulted with:

- two independent groups of advertising executives
- a PR firm
- several groups of marketing resources
- UX designers
- graphic designers

Some of them we consulted on a professional (paid) basis, some over business dinners, and some just by tapping into acquaintances. We are a diverse core team, geographically scattered across the globe, and we used our connections and resources to make an informed decision. These domain-level experts all had various opinions about which of the potential logos they liked, and none of their choices were the ones I personally liked. But the common thread among these domain experts, from South Africa to Germany to France to Canada and the United States, was that this logo was in their top 3. It was literally the only logo they all liked enough from the wide selection of paid-for submissions.

Now, I'm not saying the decision making process is perfect, but both casually acquainted with and paid-for experts in this field agreed on the logo. We are thus confident that it is the right choice, and that the logo is interpretive enough that it can be adapted to suite any environment.

Keyboard-Mash

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Quote from: btc38.com on June 03, 2014, 02:13:44 AM

Quote from: aminorex on June 03, 2014, 01:56:58 AM

Plx order flow is slowing to nothing. Looks like China has yet to discover Monero.

Whales from China are coming.

Maybe we should consider updating the translated page, and posting the monero missives in that page as well? I don't want them to feel left out ..

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Quote from: btc38.com on June 03, 2014, 02:13:44 AM

Quote from: aminorex on June 03, 2014, 01:56:58 AM

Plx order flow is slowing to nothing. Looks like China has yet to discover Monero.

Whales from China are coming.

Do you speak whale?

btc38.com

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Quote from: aminorex on June 03, 2014, 01:56:58 AM

Plx order flow is slowing to nothing. Looks like China has yet to discover Monero.

Whales from China are coming.

aminorex

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Sine secretum non libertas

Plx order flow is slowing to nothing. Looks like China has yet to discover Monero.

aminorex

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Quote from: Zer0Sum on June 03, 2014, 12:36:31 AM

Quote from: aminorex

Lest it is non-obvious, I see much of pro-social morality as an iterated prisoner's dilemma. Defectors are to be shot. The goal is a win-win scenario. Winning the competition for monopoly is a question of fitness and survival. Yes, it is beneficial for forks to form, and selection to occur. It sucks to be among those culled. In fact, being culled is not an option, in my book.

I'll bet you've never missed a meal in your life.

Curious. Why?

In fact I have missed many. Some from privation, in childhood. Some as an exercise of self-discipline, in adulthood. Lately I skip them from time to time because I am too busy, and have fat to burn.

Anyhow, it is off topic.

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Quote from: aminorex on June 03, 2014, 12:12:29 AM

Quote from: smooth on June 02, 2014, 11:15:35 PM

Quote from: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 10:35:34 PM

Currency is a natural monopoly. Forking is a form of defection. Thus I consider it immoral unless there is a compelling justification which outweighs the defection.

This isn't specifically detected at you but I think people get somewhat confused about concepts like natural monopolies and network effect. These are largely descriptive concepts rather than prescriptive. If it is a natural monopoly then in practice one will drive out all others, but the one that does survive has to do a lot right to make it in a (temporarily at least) fiercely competitive environment. I don't discourage or resent forks -- even worthless ones -- the way many of the bitcoin uber alles crowd tend to do. Only by surviving the hits do you demonstrate your fitness.

Lest it is non-obvious, I see much of pro-social morality as an iterated prisoner's dilemma. Defectors are to be shot. The goal is a win-win scenario. Winning the competition for monopoly is a question of fitness and survival. Yes, it is beneficial for forks to form, and selection to occur. It sucks to be among those culled. In fact, being culled is not an option, in my book.

I'll bet you've never missed a meal in your life.

aminorex

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Quote from: smooth on June 02, 2014, 05:50:56 PM

Quote from: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 04:52:55 PM

It's almost always better to buy coins than to mine, but mining is essential, so I hope that every MRO user and holder will mine, if only to protect themselves, and decentralize the network.

That that is your goal (and I wholeheartedly support this goal) then solo mine from the wallet:

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[wallet XXX]: start_mining number-of-threads

Maybe you get lucky and score a block but even if you don't you are helping to protect the network.

It is, and I do, except when testing things.

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Quote from: smooth on June 02, 2014, 11:15:35 PM

Quote from: aminorex on June 02, 2014, 10:35:34 PM

Currency is a natural monopoly. Forking is a form of defection. Thus I consider it immoral unless there is a compelling justification which outweighs the defection.

This isn't specifically detected at you but I think people get somewhat confused about concepts like natural monopolies and network effect. These are largely descriptive concepts rather than prescriptive. If it is a natural monopoly then in practice one will drive out all others, but the one that does survive has to do a lot right to make it in a (temporarily at least) fiercely competitive environment. I don't discourage or resent forks -- even worthless ones -- the way many of the bitcoin uber alles crowd tend to do. Only by surviving the hits do you demonstrate your fitness.

Lest it is non-obvious, I see much of pro-social morality as an iterated prisoner's dilemma. Defectors are to be shot. The goal is a win-win scenario. Winning the competition for monopoly is a question of fitness and survival. Yes, it is beneficial for forks to form, and selection to occur. It sucks to be among those culled. In fact, being culled is not an option, in my book.

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Quote from: eizh on June 02, 2014, 08:10:31 PM

Bingo. We talked to actual advertising/marketing professionals independently about which to pick. This was consistently in the top so we deferred to their judgement. 90% of cryptocurrency logos are garbage that solely appeals to 15-25 year-old Western males. This is money, which is something to be used by everybody. Maybe that's not the current state of crypto, but it is the goal in the long run. This is also why this coin is named Monero, not Quazarcoin or something like that. Wink

I think you're taking a professional and forward-thinking approach. And you picked the right logo, regardless of what the rabble here thinks.

The "Monero" text could use some work (aliasing & perhaps a different font choice), and the pallete could be tweaked. But no rush -- that kind of polishing can happen in time, perhaps when you can consult with / employ branding experts.

Also it's worth pointing out: there's a certain level of trolling on these forums in which trolls trash-talk positive developments in the hope of instilling doubt and perhaps even getting those positive changes reversed. Take care when you listen to the community. Consult experts where possible.

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