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"Small update on mobile apps: web management / easier set-up close to completion"

By NobleSir / Shen Noether

https://imgur.com/a/Hifdb

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gcl4u/small_update_on_mobile_apps_web_management_easier/

Relevant comments:

Question:

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How does this affect smartphone wallets for Monero?

Answer:

Quote from: NobleSir

So, I had previously created these two mobile wallets for Android / Windows 10 respectively:
https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNeroUniversal & https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNeroDroid

These rely on a server app running with your Monero installation, which is somewhat complicated to set-up (several command line steps). The web-app that this post references will run in conjunction with that server, and will have a web-interface to ease the set-up process). The web app should be able to most of the command line process with simply scanning a qr-code generated in the web-app with your phone app (this is the API-key tab).

Additionally, this version of the server should remove several dependencies which were making installation annoying on certain platforms, and add several alternative server languages (go, ruby, python, perl).

Caveat, that I am writing these in my spare time, and don't have a solid timeline for completion.

TLDR: The MiniNero web will make the setup of the above two phone wallets much easier. Additionally, MiniNero Web can be used as a simple, standalone wallet.

"Monero semi-weekly dev meeting notes - 2016-04-24"

https://hellomonero.com/article/monero-semi-weekly-dev-meeting-notes-2016-04-24

Small rectification:

Quote from: hyc

All the notes you list after 805/806 are actually for 794. Wallet refresh speedups in 806 have no downside.

Logs will be posted as soon as possible as far as I know.

"The Crypto Show: Peter Todd on Chain Anchors, Manfred Karrer, Zhou Tonged and Brian Deery"

Monero mentioned around 25:00:

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/the-crypto-show-with-peter-todd-manfred-karrer-zhou-tonged-and-brian-deery

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Quote from: GingerAle on April 25, 2016, 01:35:54 PM

Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 12:36:17 PM

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SO i have to give out my walletaddress "A" and the viewkey "B" and the third party needs to open wallet "C" to execute this command or do they only beed "A" and "B"?
Why am i asking: I tried this and i was asked for a password. So is this password for wallet "A" or for a new generated wallet "C"?

I hope you guys can improve the viewkey option to show the actual balance of wallet"A" and also the spend ammounts from this wallet "A", then it could be used for bookkeeping against LEAs Roll Eyes

If you find the time, maybe you could update the moneropedia site in question for this matter, so it is understandable for doofies like i am Cheesy

correct. The new password is for the new wallet C. This new wallet is unable to spend your money.

Agreed on the underlined. New improvements to simplewallet allow for individual bookkeeping, but not particularly audibility - i.e., you'd have to give someone your wallet files or something.

Though the point has been raised that bookkeeping doesn't need to be a fundamental property of a currency.

There is room for improvement for sure, but it is debatable whether it should be in the protocol or as a layered-on thing.

Just wanted to add that you can use the key_images for auditing/bookkeeping purposes.

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Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 12:36:17 PM

(snipped)

SO i have to give out my walletaddress "A" and the viewkey "B" and the third party needs to open wallet "C" to execute this command or do they only beed "A" and "B"?
Why am i asking: I tried this and i was asked for a password. So is this password for wallet "A" or for a new generated wallet "C"?

I hope you guys can improve the viewkey option to show the actual balance of wallet"A" and also the spend ammounts from this wallet "A", then it could be used for bookkeeping against LEAs Roll Eyes

If you find the time, maybe you could update the moneropedia site in question for this matter, so it is understandable for doofies like i am Cheesy

correct. The new password is for the new wallet C. This new wallet is unable to spend your money.

Agreed on the underlined. New improvements to simplewallet allow for individual bookkeeping, but not particularly audibility - i.e., you'd have to give someone your wallet files or something.

Though the point has been raised that bookkeeping doesn't need to be a fundamental property of a currency.

There is room for improvement for sure, but it is debatable whether it should be in the protocol or as a layered-on thing.

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 25, 2016, 12:23:57 PM

Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 11:19:16 AM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 25, 2016, 10:57:25 AM

Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: smooth on January 31, 2016, 01:13:44 AM

Quote from: aiwe on January 30, 2016, 11:58:52 AM

Watch-only wallet shows incorrect balance - it shows sum of all incoming transactions, if there were payments from the wallet balance will be wrong.

Yes, that's right. Spends have to be accounted for separately and subtracted. The function of watch wallets is to show incoming payments.

Question #1
Why is it only showing the incomming balance, and not the spended balance also?

Question #2
The usage of the viewkey option is quite, let's say, less good documentated. To clear some things up here a little bit, please advise me in the following schematic description

I have wallet "A" with the corresponding viewkey "B" from wallet "A"

If i want to check the balance of wallet "A" with the viewkey "B" i have to create a wallet "C" and have simplewallet running on wallet "C" with the command?

Code:

./simplewallet --generate-from-view-key "A":"B":viewonly

Am i getting something wrong here? I am sorry, but the documentation is not very expressive...

I think this sufficiently answers your question(s):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gakjp/maam_13_monero_ask_anything_monday/d2fyseb

If not, just ask again.

Thank's for the link, that's an awful lot to read for a simple question, i tried to read it out of there but unfortunately not managed to do so...
Would you be so kind to explain it in a way, as i tried to in the above example, simplified so i can understand this too? (Maybe update that point at moneropedia too)

Thanks in advance Shocked

Sure, [1] The viewkey only shows which outputs belong to your address. However, it doesn't show if these outputs are subsequently spent. You need the spendkey/key_images for that. This allows, for instance, simplewallet to show you a balance, but not for a view wallet, since it only knows your viewkey.

[2] I know, but this goes back a long time. That is, in the beginning even the core-team members didn't properly understand the viewkey and what it was capable of. This was mostly caused due to the current core-team taking over the project.

The scheme you propose will only show the incoming transactions for wallet A. Thus, not a balance. For now, you would've to actually "open" wallet A to see the balance and outgoing transactions. In the foreseeable future though there will likely be some "hacks" around this. Also, Trezor will greatly mitigate this issue, see my original reddit comment:

Quote

Correct. However, (i) Trezor will greatly mitigate these issues because it is able to show you a balance whilst remaining safe (i.e. it's impossible for, for instance, malware to steal your funds) and (ii) there are some options to show outgoing transactions and thus a balance too, which were discussed in this thread:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4dly99/lack_of_feature_to_easily_monitor_current_balance/
I'd also suggest to read this:

http://weuse.cash/2016/03/07/trezor-for-monero-first-impressions/

P.S. The protocol allows the audibility of a company via key images. That is, company A could hand over their key images and their viewkey for a given year and an audit company would perfectly be able to audit all the transactions and balances for that given year.

Hope this was sufficiently understandable.

Thank's
SO i have to give out my walletaddress "A" and the viewkey "B" and the third party needs to open wallet "C" to execute this command or do they only beed "A" and "B"?
Why am i asking: I tried this and i was asked for a password. So is this password for wallet "A" or for a new generated wallet "C"?

I hope you guys can improve the viewkey option to show the actual balance of wallet"A" and also the spend ammounts from this wallet "A", then it could be used for bookkeeping against LEAs Roll Eyes

If you find the time, maybe you could update the moneropedia site in question for this matter, so it is understandable for doofies like i am Cheesy

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Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 11:19:16 AM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 25, 2016, 10:57:25 AM

Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: smooth on January 31, 2016, 01:13:44 AM

Quote from: aiwe on January 30, 2016, 11:58:52 AM

Watch-only wallet shows incorrect balance - it shows sum of all incoming transactions, if there were payments from the wallet balance will be wrong.

Yes, that's right. Spends have to be accounted for separately and subtracted. The function of watch wallets is to show incoming payments.

Question #1
Why is it only showing the incomming balance, and not the spended balance also?

Question #2
The usage of the viewkey option is quite, let's say, less good documentated. To clear some things up here a little bit, please advise me in the following schematic description

I have wallet "A" with the corresponding viewkey "B" from wallet "A"

If i want to check the balance of wallet "A" with the viewkey "B" i have to create a wallet "C" and have simplewallet running on wallet "C" with the command?

Code:

./simplewallet --generate-from-view-key "A":"B":viewonly

Am i getting something wrong here? I am sorry, but the documentation is not very expressive...

I think this sufficiently answers your question(s):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gakjp/maam_13_monero_ask_anything_monday/d2fyseb

If not, just ask again.

Thank's for the link, that's an awful lot to read for a simple question, i tried to read it out of there but unfortunately not managed to do so...
Would you be so kind to explain it in a way, as i tried to in the above example, simplified so i can understand this too? (Maybe update that point at moneropedia too)

Thanks in advance Shocked

Sure, [1] The viewkey only shows which outputs belong to your address. However, it doesn't show if these outputs are subsequently spent. You need the spendkey/key_images for that. This allows, for instance, simplewallet to show you a balance, but not for a view wallet, since it only knows your viewkey.

[2] I know, but this goes back a long time. That is, in the beginning even the core-team members didn't properly understand the viewkey and what it was capable of. This was mostly caused due to the current core-team taking over the project.

The scheme you propose will only show the incoming transactions for wallet A. Thus, not a balance. For now, you would've to actually "open" wallet A to see the balance and outgoing transactions. In the foreseeable future though there will likely be some "hacks" around this. Also, Trezor will greatly mitigate this issue, see my original reddit comment:

Quote

Correct. However, (i) Trezor will greatly mitigate these issues because it is able to show you a balance whilst remaining safe (i.e. it's impossible for, for instance, malware to steal your funds) and (ii) there are some options to show outgoing transactions and thus a balance too, which were discussed in this thread:

https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4dly99/lack_of_feature_to_easily_monitor_current_balance/
I'd also suggest to read this:

http://weuse.cash/2016/03/07/trezor-for-monero-first-impressions/

P.S. The protocol allows the audibility of a company via key images. That is, company A could hand over their key images and their viewkey for a given year and an audit company would perfectly be able to audit all the transactions and balances for that given year.

Hope this was sufficiently understandable.

elrippo

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 25, 2016, 10:57:25 AM

Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: smooth on January 31, 2016, 01:13:44 AM

Quote from: aiwe on January 30, 2016, 11:58:52 AM

Watch-only wallet shows incorrect balance - it shows sum of all incoming transactions, if there were payments from the wallet balance will be wrong.

Yes, that's right. Spends have to be accounted for separately and subtracted. The function of watch wallets is to show incoming payments.

Question #1
Why is it only showing the incomming balance, and not the spended balance also?

Question #2
The usage of the viewkey option is quite, let's say, less good documentated. To clear some things up here a little bit, please advise me in the following schematic description

I have wallet "A" with the corresponding viewkey "B" from wallet "A"

If i want to check the balance of wallet "A" with the viewkey "B" i have to create a wallet "C" and have simplewallet running on wallet "C" with the command?

Code:

./simplewallet --generate-from-view-key "A":"B":viewonly

Am i getting something wrong here? I am sorry, but the documentation is not very expressive...

I think this sufficiently answers your question(s):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gakjp/maam_13_monero_ask_anything_monday/d2fyseb

If not, just ask again.

Thank's for the link, that's an awful lot to read for a simple question, i tried to read it out of there but unfortunately not managed to do so...
Would you be so kind to explain it in a way, as i tried to in the above example, simplified so i can understand this too? (Maybe update that point at moneropedia too)

Thanks in advance Shocked

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Quote from: elrippo on April 25, 2016, 05:30:19 AM

Quote from: smooth on January 31, 2016, 01:13:44 AM

Quote from: aiwe on January 30, 2016, 11:58:52 AM

Watch-only wallet shows incorrect balance - it shows sum of all incoming transactions, if there were payments from the wallet balance will be wrong.

Yes, that's right. Spends have to be accounted for separately and subtracted. The function of watch wallets is to show incoming payments.

Question #1
Why is it only showing the incomming balance, and not the spended balance also?

Question #2
The usage of the viewkey option is quite, let's say, less good documentated. To clear some things up here a little bit, please advise me in the following schematic description

I have wallet "A" with the corresponding viewkey "B" from wallet "A"

If i want to check the balance of wallet "A" with the viewkey "B" i have to create a wallet "C" and have simplewallet running on wallet "C" with the command?

Code:

./simplewallet --generate-from-view-key "A":"B":viewonly

Am i getting something wrong here? I am sorry, but the documentation is not very expressive...

I think this sufficiently answers your question(s):

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gakjp/maam_13_monero_ask_anything_monday/d2fyseb

If not, just ask again.

elrippo

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Quote from: smooth on January 31, 2016, 01:13:44 AM

Quote from: aiwe on January 30, 2016, 11:58:52 AM

Watch-only wallet shows incorrect balance - it shows sum of all incoming transactions, if there were payments from the wallet balance will be wrong.

Yes, that's right. Spends have to be accounted for separately and subtracted. The function of watch wallets is to show incoming payments.

Question #1
Why is it only showing the incomming balance, and not the spended balance also?

Question #2
The usage of the viewkey option is quite, let's say, less good documentated. To clear some things up here a little bit, please advise me in the following schematic description

I have wallet "A" with the corresponding viewkey "B" from wallet "A"

If i want to check the balance of wallet "A" with the viewkey "B" i have to create a wallet "C" and have simplewallet running on wallet "C" with the command?

Code:

./simplewallet --generate-from-view-key "A":"B":viewonly

Am i getting something wrong here? I am sorry, but the documentation is not very expressive...

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Quote from: owlcatz on April 24, 2016, 09:00:01 PM

Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 24, 2016, 10:22:38 AM

Fifth dev meeting in approximately 2 hours (16:00 UTC). Dev meeting will be held at #monero-dev on freenode.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20160424T16&p1=0&p2=16&p3=166&p4=37&p5=136&p6=240&p7=179&p8=137&p9=102&p10=111&p11=250&p12=195

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If you have an IRC client, just make sure you are on the freenode server and you can subsequently join #monero-dev

If you don't have an IRC client, you can follow the dev meeting using:

http://webchat.freenode.net/

Set the channel to -> #monero-dev

And pick a nickname you like. Everyone is welcome to follow the dev meeting!

Any log or anything? thanks, i missed it again as always.

I was out for the meeting itself, but it was in my IRC log history.

It seems this meeting was very Monero dev-centric. Nearly all of it was discussion of pull request #'s without much substance of what those issues represented.

I did a bit of research on a couple of them and wrote some notes - they're very light, though. It sounds like there may be some better stuff (0mq, RingCT) discussed in the next dev meeting.

https://hellomonero.com/article/monero-semi-weekly-dev-meeting-notes-2016-04-24

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Quote from: dEBRUYNE on April 24, 2016, 10:22:38 AM

Fifth dev meeting in approximately 2 hours (16:00 UTC). Dev meeting will be held at #monero-dev on freenode.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20160424T16&p1=0&p2=16&p3=166&p4=37&p5=136&p6=240&p7=179&p8=137&p9=102&p10=111&p11=250&p12=195

Quote

If you have an IRC client, just make sure you are on the freenode server and you can subsequently join #monero-dev

If you don't have an IRC client, you can follow the dev meeting using:

http://webchat.freenode.net/

Set the channel to -> #monero-dev

And pick a nickname you like. Everyone is welcome to follow the dev meeting!

Any log or anything? thanks, i missed it again as always.

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Quote from: fluffypony on April 23, 2016, 11:24:01 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Is Monero a fork of a scamcoin?

John Connor (VCASH def) said that Monero stole his code, is that right?

Hello and welcome to Bitcointalk!

Since you're so new, and thus lack a historical understanding, you may want to familiarise yourself with this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vxc-vcash-was-vnl-vanillacoin-a-quiet-word-of-warning-920344

And this one if you want to understand why john-connor the plagiarist and one of the few people in the history of open source to ever violate the MIT license has an agenda against Monero: Because I called him out on his scamming. Note, by the way, that most of the people quoted in that post documenting his ripping off of Bitcoin's code are not affiliated with Monero nor me in any way, I just quoted them.

If you have any questions about Monero and would like to learn about it from a credible, non-scammer, source, please stick around.

dEBRUYNE

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MAAM #13 Monero Ask Anything Monday

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4gakjp/maam_13_monero_ask_anything_monday/

dEBRUYNE

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Fifth dev meeting in approximately 2 hours (16:00 UTC). Dev meeting will be held at #monero-dev on freenode.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20160424T16&p1=0&p2=16&p3=166&p4=37&p5=136&p6=240&p7=179&p8=137&p9=102&p10=111&p11=250&p12=195

Quote

If you have an IRC client, just make sure you are on the freenode server and you can subsequently join #monero-dev

If you don't have an IRC client, you can follow the dev meeting using:

http://webchat.freenode.net/

Set the channel to -> #monero-dev

And pick a nickname you like. Everyone is welcome to follow the dev meeting!

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One of the more expensive actual purchases using XMR: The Palace of Versailles for 4,900 XMR.

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Flippin' burgers since 1163.

Quote from: c789 on April 18, 2016, 11:36:57 PM

Which exchange are you basing $4 US worth of BTC from? Post back and I'll send that exhange's $4 US in BTC to 1B3cZEg1oGnXpgjhkTJGpP9G4LNPWTXk1D

EDIT: Sent: https://blockchain.info/address/1AF1nr2dg2SgCg1CLHThhKvefoH9Fwn84p

Missed your post but great, thanks! I think the node got ddos'ed since within a few hours all bandwidth (250gb) got suddenly used. So I have to wait till the first of May for a bandwidth reset.

I will however double your contribution and have it run during May and June.
Thanks to Hueristic as well who is now in the process of taking over the node, yay!

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GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com

Quote from: ?? on ??

Is Monero a fork of a scamcoin?

John Connor (VCASH def) said that Monero stole his code, is that right?

Hello and welcome to Bitcointalk!

Since you're so new, and thus lack a historical understanding, you may want to familiarise yourself with this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/vxc-vcash-was-vnl-vanillacoin-a-quiet-word-of-warning-920344

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Is Monero a fork of a scamcoin?

John Connor (VCASH def) said that Monero stole his code, is that right?

No. Monero is a fork of Bytecoin but deviated a lot from the original source (code) over the past 2 years. Furthermore, Monero has nothing to do with Vcash whatsoever.

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Free spirit

http://www.instructables.com/id/Paper-Wallet/

Cheesy

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Quote from: weaknesswaran on April 22, 2016, 10:05:57 AM

How do i create a paperwallet?

Found nothing in OP.

Thanks.

Extensive guide for the more paranoids:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/48cgmd/an_extensive_guide_for_securely_generating_an/

Alternatively, use:

https://moneroaddress.org

It's simply a port of this branch on Github:

https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator

You can download the .ZIP, extract it and use it offline.

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How do i create a paperwallet?

Found nothing in OP.

Thanks.

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