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August 05, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
August 05, 2015, 06:49:09 AM
warptangent said this on irc last night, I just stumbled upon it:
about this issue, skunk could try removing the existing poolstate.bin file. most people running a client from last year onwards, without having cleared that file, probably have dangling key images (left over from txs no longer in the pool) https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12055171
daemon I mean... bitmonerod
thank you, after removing poolstate.bin, it's slowly going on...Also, you could try and state your question in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monero-support-652305
ops, i didn't notice there was a support thread, i'll post there next time... 
August 05, 2015, 06:43:38 AM
I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?
I think trying to do penny transactions on any blockchain is a bad idea. Offchain systems using payment channels or shards or something else are the way to go on that. Monero doesn't have those, but neither does anyone else, so the real question is what development on those techniques tied to Monero are done in the future. It's all (including what TPTB is talking about) vaporware at this point.
You consider sidechains and Lightning vaporware? Or just the versions of those which are compatible with Monero?
I guess. What's in between vapor and real? Heavy fog?
Certainly they're not deployed solutions, or even ready to be deployed solutions, especially Lightning.
August 05, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
Code:
2015-Aug-05 12:28:22.322839 [P2P8][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]Sync data returned unknown top block: 202622 -> 681852 [479230 blocks (332 days) behind]
SYNCHRONIZATION started
2015-Aug-05 12:28:26.961903 [P2P9][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.195987 [P2P8][109.10.159.165:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.204492 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 41/80 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.211067 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 45/45 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.223177 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 79/51 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.246164 [P2P8]Height: 202623 blob: 286 cumm: 46946 p/t: 14 (4/0/0/0/0/0/9/0/0/0/7)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.252709 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 55/54 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.256634 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 1/55 H: 0 chcktx: 0
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.264167 [P2P8]Height: 202624 blob: 285 cumm: 14468 p/t: 4 (0/1/0/0/0/0/2/0/0/0/2)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.270787 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279580 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 53/52 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279954 [P2P8]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:35.640622 [P2P4][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:37.736564 [P2P8][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.500006 [P2P6][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.520971 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 25/78 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.521279 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.526165 [P2P5][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.549773 [P2P5]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:46.933277 [P2P9][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.512626 [P2P6][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.522660 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 71/46 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.523018 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
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202624
i give up, will come back in some months...
warptangent said this on irc last night, I just stumbled upon it:
Also, you could try and state your question in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/monero-support-652305
Hope that works!
August 05, 2015, 06:37:47 AM
I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?
Theoretically:
Speaking of block size...what's Monero's capacity in terms of txs per second?
Monero has a very scalable block size solution. It is "adaptive" as it changes with the amount of information going through the Monero network.
Okay, thanks. I'd prefer a number, but what you wrote will do.
What he said was right. There is no hard limit in the protocol. Noodle Doodle's recent benchmarks on an i7-2600K show 2.5 ms average tx verification time (per core) so that would max out at 1600 tx/second.
Usage at that level would require a lot of bandwidth and CPUs slower than a 2011 quad core desktop would not be able to keep up and would need to drop off.
August 05, 2015, 06:34:00 AM
Code:
2015-Aug-05 12:28:22.322839 [P2P8][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]Sync data returned unknown top block: 202622 -> 681852 [479230 blocks (332 days) behind]
SYNCHRONIZATION started
2015-Aug-05 12:28:26.961903 [P2P9][188.134.79.203:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.195987 [P2P8][109.10.159.165:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.204492 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 41/80 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.211067 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 45/45 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.223177 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 79/51 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.246164 [P2P8]Height: 202623 blob: 286 cumm: 46946 p/t: 14 (4/0/0/0/0/0/9/0/0/0/7)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.252709 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 55/54 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.256634 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 1/55 H: 0 chcktx: 0
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.264167 [P2P8]Height: 202624 blob: 285 cumm: 14468 p/t: 4 (0/1/0/0/0/0/2/0/0/0/2)ms
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.270787 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 1
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279580 [P2P8]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 53/52 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:28.279954 [P2P8]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:35.640622 [P2P4][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:37.736564 [P2P8][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.500006 [P2P6][176.9.89.217:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.520971 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 25/78 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:42.521279 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.526165 [P2P5][80.82.78.38:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:44.549773 [P2P5]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 24/69 H: 0 chcktx: 2
2015-Aug-05 12:28:46.933277 [P2P9][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]-->>NOTIFY_REQUEST_GET_OBJECTS: blocks.size()=200, txs.size()=0requested blocks count=200 / 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.512626 [P2P6][31.128.159.34:18080 OUT]Got NEW BLOCKS inside of handle_response_get_objects: size: 200
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.522660 [P2P6]HASH: - VIN/VOUT: 71/46 H: 0 chcktx: 3
2015-Aug-05 12:28:51.523018 [P2P6]ERROR /home/skunk/bitcoin/bitmonero/src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:189 internal error: try to insert duplicate iterator in key_image set
print_height
202624
i give up, will come back in some months...
August 05, 2015, 06:03:22 AM
I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?
I think trying to do penny transactions on any blockchain is a bad idea. Offchain systems using payment channels or shards or something else are the way to go on that. Monero doesn't have those, but neither does anyone else, so the real question is what development on those techniques tied to Monero are done in the future. It's all (including what TPTB is talking about) vaporware at this point.
You consider sidechains and Lightning vaporware? Or just the versions of those which are compatible with Monero?
August 05, 2015, 05:54:06 AM
I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?
I think trying to do penny transactions on any blockchain is a bad idea. Offchain systems using payment channels or shards or something else are the way to go on that. Monero doesn't have those, but neither does anyone else, so the real question is what development on those techniques tied to Monero are done in the future. It's all (including what TPTB is talking about) vaporware at this point.
August 05, 2015, 05:50:28 AM
I believe I am the progenitor of the concept and term Knowledge Age in this context.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
I have argued to rpietila that the technological struts (e.g. anonymous internet and anonymous money for trading and including micropayments scaling which Monero can't do) have to be in place before the change will occur and that his religious activism is counter-productive.
This provoked a thought, can Monero scale for high volume penny transactions?
August 05, 2015, 03:02:04 AM
FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
Just search for "privacy" on Google news and one gets a flood of articles on the subject of how Windows 10 does the above and much more.
Try searching with https://www.duckduckgo.com/, https://www.qwant.com/, or if you really want to use google do it via https://search.disconnect.me/.
Googling anything to do with privacy is an oxymoron
August 05, 2015, 02:21:06 AM
FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
Thank good, someone officially writes about it
I really don't understand people who are conserned about their privacy, using crypto and that on a MS device
Not all is lost: https://fix10.isleaked.com/
but yeah, none of my crypto will ever touch windows.
If i have to secure an unsecure OS first, and i even can't be sure if this works, you should consider yourself braindead...
Use anything other than MS and you are pretty fine
August 05, 2015, 02:13:01 AM
FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
Thank good, someone officially writes about it
I really don't understand people who are conserned about their privacy, using crypto and that on a MS device
Not all is lost: https://fix10.isleaked.com/
but yeah, none of my crypto will ever touch windows.
August 05, 2015, 01:50:38 AM
FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
Thank good, someone officially writes about it
I really don't understand people who are conserned about their privacy, using crypto and that on a MS device
August 05, 2015, 01:36:11 AM
See reply on Support thread
August 05, 2015, 01:35:01 AM
I've compiled Monero successfully on two different Linux Mint 17.1 boxes. These instructions look correct. I'm on a Mac right now, so I can't delve into this deeper at the moment. Just know that it does work. I can try and help later today or tomorrow. Also, the monero IRC channel is usually very helpful.
If you could it would be appreciated. I should specify, it's Mint Mate 17.2 I have installed. I'll try and get some time in the Monero IRC channel later today too.
Code:
sudo apt-get install git gcc-4.9 cmake libunbound2 libevent-2.0-5 libgtest-dev libboost1.55-dev libboost-system1.55-dev libboost-filesystem1.55-dev libboost-thread1.55-dev libboost-date_time1.55-dev libboost-chrono1.55-dev libboost-regex1.55-dev libboost-serialization1.55-dev libboost-program_options1.55-dev libunbound-dev build-essential libssl-dev libdb++-dev
Code:
git clone https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero.git
Code:
cd bitmonero
make
Let me know how you make out.
edit: forgot libdb++-dev
I've followed all the instructions and this is what I'm getting. Anyone have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Running Linux Mint 17.2, a fresh install. I followed all the commands to install all the packages previously.
August 04, 2015, 11:02:46 PM
Keep in mind I'm not a dev.
I've read otherwise.
GingerAle super dev powers activate!
August 04, 2015, 10:45:32 PM
and also, fluffypony can probably give a better response... but he won't wake up for another many hours.
August 04, 2015, 10:43:31 PM
Keep in mind I'm not a dev. I'm just a dude that follows the project and makes podcasts and is really enthusiastic.
ooh, thats in a missive somewhere....
https://getmonero.org/2015/03/02/monero-missive-for-the-week-of-2015-03-02.html
if I understand correctly (but im no dev), RPC is designed for remote things... hence, the name of it (remote procedure call perhaps?), whereas zeroMQ is better for stuff within the same box... because monero architecture is different than bitcoin (wallet and daemon are separate), it makes sense to have the code optimized to talk within the same box.
Blood, sweat and tears. Personal investments of the core team (because they're crazy). And donations. And crowdfunding.
https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/334/fund-a-developer-moneromoo-will-work-part-time-on-monero-for-260-hours-over-approx-6-months
Core team. No idea about the particulars on the process. A new missive kinda discusses this, if I ever get around to editing it instead of playing with my mining hardware.
4) Should a need arise to change the POW algo because, for example, someone introduces a CryptoNight FPGA or ASIC device, what process would the monero community and/or the development team use to pick a new algorithm and schedule its introduction ?
This would be done with a hardfork, and this is also detailed in a missive coming up if we ever get around to publishing them.
How to pick a new algorithm? Unknown. I think a self adapting 10 year algorithm would be cool, but I have no idea how to create that. I tend to believe that the current core team would implement a different POW due to the commitment to decentralization, but core teams can change. The coin lives on.
Yes. Soon (tm). Sooner can be sooner if you donate to development or can development. This is open source. It doesn't happen unless we make it happen. And hodling != investing. Unless, of course, you know, you're going to buy ALL the monero. But don't do that. Because then you'll control too many outputs.
A few short questions about the project:
1) Looking at the design and development goals for monero at https://getmonero.org/design-goals/, what is the rationale for using zeroMQ for RPC ?
1) Looking at the design and development goals for monero at https://getmonero.org/design-goals/, what is the rationale for using zeroMQ for RPC ?
ooh, thats in a missive somewhere....
https://getmonero.org/2015/03/02/monero-missive-for-the-week-of-2015-03-02.html
if I understand correctly (but im no dev), RPC is designed for remote things... hence, the name of it (remote procedure call perhaps?), whereas zeroMQ is better for stuff within the same box... because monero architecture is different than bitcoin (wallet and daemon are separate), it makes sense to have the code optimized to talk within the same box.
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2) How is ongoing development financed ?
Blood, sweat and tears. Personal investments of the core team (because they're crazy). And donations. And crowdfunding.
https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress/334/fund-a-developer-moneromoo-will-work-part-time-on-monero-for-260-hours-over-approx-6-months
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3) What processes are used to define the design goals and prioritize them ?
Core team. No idea about the particulars on the process. A new missive kinda discusses this, if I ever get around to editing it instead of playing with my mining hardware.
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4) Should a need arise to change the POW algo because, for example, someone introduces a CryptoNight FPGA or ASIC device, what process would the monero community and/or the development team use to pick a new algorithm and schedule its introduction ?
This would be done with a hardfork, and this is also detailed in a missive coming up if we ever get around to publishing them.
How to pick a new algorithm? Unknown. I think a self adapting 10 year algorithm would be cool, but I have no idea how to create that. I tend to believe that the current core team would implement a different POW due to the commitment to decentralization, but core teams can change. The coin lives on.
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5) Are there estimated dates for the completion of these goals ?
Yes. Soon (tm). Sooner can be sooner if you donate to development or can development. This is open source. It doesn't happen unless we make it happen. And hodling != investing. Unless, of course, you know, you're going to buy ALL the monero. But don't do that. Because then you'll control too many outputs.
August 04, 2015, 10:39:55 PM
A few short questions about the project:
1) Looking at the design and development goals for monero at https://getmonero.org/design-goals/, what is the rationale for using zeroMQ for RPC ?
2) How is ongoing development financed ?
3) What processes are used to define the design goals and prioritize them ?
4) Should a need arise to change the POW algo because, for example, someone introduces a CryptoNight FPGA or ASIC device, what process would the monero community and/or the development team use to pick a new algorithm and schedule its introduction ?
5) Are there estimated dates for the completion of these goals ?
1) Looking at the design and development goals for monero at https://getmonero.org/design-goals/, what is the rationale for using zeroMQ for RPC ?
2) How is ongoing development financed ?
3) What processes are used to define the design goals and prioritize them ?
4) Should a need arise to change the POW algo because, for example, someone introduces a CryptoNight FPGA or ASIC device, what process would the monero community and/or the development team use to pick a new algorithm and schedule its introduction ?
5) Are there estimated dates for the completion of these goals ?
August 04, 2015, 08:20:48 PM
FYI: Windows 10 is basically intentional spyware logging everything you type along with much more.
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
http://rare.us/story/windows-10-is-stealing-and-recording-your-personal-information/
Just search for "privacy" on Google news and one gets a flood of articles on the subject of how Windows 10 does the above and much more.
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