As far as the grandma's back yard solution, that sounds like I might as well download a vanity Monero address generator, install it on a clean OS install, and then send coins to that offline cold computer. From there I can choose to record the private keys on paper, or just keep the laptop itself off limits (encrypted, just like the CD backup)
Is there a reliable vanity address generator? Or should I just run the Monero client and make a random?
Topic: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - page 828. (Read 4671660 times)
August 03, 2015, 08:27:48 PM
August 03, 2015, 08:26:48 PM
bury those in tin cans in my grandmas back yard.
you must spread them to the 4 corners of the earth! And then go on an epic quest filled with fire and elvish women!
August 03, 2015, 08:23:03 PM
Why not MyMonero as a secure online service instead of Poloniex?
That's not a bad idea. Perhaps quarters, with 25% on Poloniex and 25% on MyMonero. I feel pretty safe from the user end considering that Polo has 2 factor authentication and is KYC compliant, but precautions are always a good thing.
August 03, 2015, 07:26:09 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
I haven't built monero or synched from scratch with the DB personally but this is certainly encouraging news. Impressive, very impressive.
With the reduced memory requirements is it time for me to set up my dedicated full node?
I saw a brand new HP Intel Celeron laptop with 2GB of memory on sale at Best Buy last night for $179. It was too good of a deal so I bought it. I've been planning to create a Monero "pretty-secure" wallet station for a while so I'm not holding all my coins on Poloniex.
The ultimate plan for the savings is to hold a third in a secure online service (currently Poloniex), a third on a full node running on a laptop only used to run that full node (with an encrypted backup), and a third in cold storage.
Thoughts? Also, this little thing came with Windows 8. I've never used a Linux distro before, but I was thinking about trying it for this project.
(also, I would obviously only play around with test amounts of coins until I am very confident in my abilities to send/receive Monero on a direct level)
Imho you should definitely generously run the full node, but not use that wallet for storing coins, nor really anywhere other than the most secure place you can manage. Using virtual machine (which is free and lets you run an instance of any os, linux it this case) in windows is really pain free once you get it set up. Pretty much any question you have about newb linux stuff has a hundred other people asking the same question in google search so learning goes fast. I think as far as micorosoft goes windows 8 seems okish, i wouldnt upgrade to 10 though. Bury that wallet behind crazy hash passwords on the virtual machine itself as well as *(a different one)* on the monero wallet then basically never touch it. I then sometimes would create a zip file out of the entire VM instance, chop it up into paswoord encoded zip files and bury those in tin cans in my grandmas back yard.
Edit: You can still send coins to your address successfully even if the only existing copy of the wallet has been sitting all chopped up in grandmas cold dirt for 7 months
August 03, 2015, 07:01:32 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
I haven't built monero or synched from scratch with the DB personally but this is certainly encouraging news. Impressive, very impressive.
With the reduced memory requirements is it time for me to set up my dedicated full node?
I saw a brand new HP Intel Celeron laptop with 2GB of memory on sale at Best Buy last night for $179. It was too good of a deal so I bought it. I've been planning to create a Monero "pretty-secure" wallet station for a while so I'm not holding all my coins on Poloniex.
The ultimate plan for the savings is to hold a third in a secure online service (currently Poloniex), a third on a full node running on a laptop only used to run that full node (with an encrypted backup), and a third in cold storage.
Thoughts? Also, this little thing came with Windows 8. I've never used a Linux distro before, but I was thinking about trying it for this project.
(also, I would obviously only play around with test amounts of coins until I am very confident in my abilities to send/receive Monero on a direct level)
Why not MyMonero as a secure online service instead of Poloniex?
August 03, 2015, 07:00:37 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
I haven't built monero or synched from scratch with the DB personally but this is certainly encouraging news. Impressive, very impressive.
With the reduced memory requirements is it time for me to set up my dedicated full node?
I saw a brand new HP Intel Celeron laptop with 2GB of memory on sale at Best Buy last night for $179. It was too good of a deal so I bought it. I've been planning to create a Monero "pretty-secure" wallet station for a while so I'm not holding all my coins on Poloniex.
The ultimate plan for the savings is to hold a third in a secure online service (currently Poloniex), a third on a full node running on a laptop only used to run that full node (with an encrypted backup), and a third in cold storage.
Thoughts? Also, this little thing came with Windows 8. I've never used a Linux distro before, but I was thinking about trying it for this project.
(also, I would obviously only play around with test amounts of coins until I am very confident in my abilities to send/receive Monero on a direct level)
I don't know if anything is proven but given the possibility of backdoors in Windows is presumably greater than open source, running Linux would probably be a very prudent move. Besides, the earlier you start building familiarity with Linux the better.
August 03, 2015, 06:59:10 PM
ssssshhhhhhhhhh, monero is slow and bloated.
hello people!
I can confirm that Monero is slow and bloated
August 03, 2015, 06:42:30 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
I haven't built monero or synched from scratch with the DB personally but this is certainly encouraging news. Impressive, very impressive.
With the reduced memory requirements is it time for me to set up my dedicated full node?
I saw a brand new HP Intel Celeron laptop with 2GB of memory on sale at Best Buy last night for $179. It was too good of a deal so I bought it. I've been planning to create a Monero "pretty-secure" wallet station for a while so I'm not holding all my coins on Poloniex.
The ultimate plan for the savings is to hold a third in a secure online service (currently Poloniex), a third on a full node running on a laptop only used to run that full node (with an encrypted backup), and a third in cold storage.
Thoughts? Also, this little thing came with Windows 8. I've never used a Linux distro before, but I was thinking about trying it for this project.
(also, I would obviously only play around with test amounts of coins until I am very confident in my abilities to send/receive Monero on a direct level)
August 03, 2015, 05:29:05 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
I haven't built monero or synched from scratch with the DB personally but this is certainly encouraging news. Impressive, very impressive.
August 03, 2015, 03:18:40 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
ssssshhhhhhhhhh, monero is slow and bloated.
August 03, 2015, 02:54:47 PM
LMDB sync from scratch in just over 3 hours, and daemon using only 60MB to 100MB RAM. DB is so small I can't find it. What a difference!
August 03, 2015, 02:06:14 PM
@GingerAle: you can simplify a bit and replace
Code:
libboost1.55-dev libboost-system1.55-dev libboost-filesystem1.55-dev libboost-thread1.55-dev libboost-date_time1.55-dev libboost-chrono1.55-dev libboost-regex1.55-dev libboost-serialization1.55-dev libboost-program_options1.55-dev
byCode:
libboost1.55-all-dev
it install some additional unused lib but it's easier.Code:
sudo apt-get install git gcc-4.9 cmake libunbound2 libevent-2.0-5 libgtest-dev libboost1.55-all-dev libunbound-dev build-essential libssl-dev libdb++-dev
August 03, 2015, 11:52:21 AM
I've compiled Monero successfully on two different Linux Mint 17.1 boxes. These instructions look correct. I'm on a Mac right now, so I can't delve into this deeper at the moment. Just know that it does work. I can try and help later today or tomorrow. Also, the monero IRC channel is usually very helpful.
If you could it would be appreciated. I should specify, it's Mint Mate 17.2 I have installed. I'll try and get some time in the Monero IRC channel later today too.
Code:
sudo apt-get install git gcc-4.9 cmake libunbound2 libevent-2.0-5 libgtest-dev libboost1.55-dev libboost-system1.55-dev libboost-filesystem1.55-dev libboost-thread1.55-dev libboost-date_time1.55-dev libboost-chrono1.55-dev libboost-regex1.55-dev libboost-serialization1.55-dev libboost-program_options1.55-dev libunbound-dev build-essential libssl-dev libdb++-dev
Code:
git clone https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero.git
Code:
cd bitmonero
make
make
Let me know how you make out.
edit: forgot libdb++-dev
Worked a treat. Thank you very much
thanks for posting. I've added it to my post on the monero support thread.
August 03, 2015, 11:31:57 AM
I've compiled Monero successfully on two different Linux Mint 17.1 boxes. These instructions look correct. I'm on a Mac right now, so I can't delve into this deeper at the moment. Just know that it does work. I can try and help later today or tomorrow. Also, the monero IRC channel is usually very helpful.
If you could it would be appreciated. I should specify, it's Mint Mate 17.2 I have installed. I'll try and get some time in the Monero IRC channel later today too.
Code:
sudo apt-get install git gcc-4.9 cmake libunbound2 libevent-2.0-5 libgtest-dev libboost1.55-dev libboost-system1.55-dev libboost-filesystem1.55-dev libboost-thread1.55-dev libboost-date_time1.55-dev libboost-chrono1.55-dev libboost-regex1.55-dev libboost-serialization1.55-dev libboost-program_options1.55-dev libunbound-dev build-essential libssl-dev libdb++-dev
Code:
git clone https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero.git
Code:
cd bitmonero
make
make
Let me know how you make out.
edit: forgot libdb++-dev
Worked a treat. Thank you very much
August 03, 2015, 11:20:05 AM
August 03, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
Heh heh... 12th Monero Missive, point 6.
That's a good read, think i'll have work through the MRLSs
If you're interested in the cryptography (and like python) then you may be interested in some of the work the MRL have been doing:
https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero
https://github.com/ShenNoether/LMDBExplorer
https://github.com/ShenNoether/MiniNero
https://github.com/ShenNoether/LMDBExplorer
This is really really cool, thanks for the link. A lot of the functions in limited context i can see what they do, but will definitely spend a lot of time there trying to work out whats going on in bigger picture. This is great, will help with progressing my python and digging into monero guts
August 03, 2015, 10:12:07 AM
This was a very helpful graph in understanding bitcoin address basics. Does anyone know of anything like this for Monero addresses?
OT: Note that this is for uncompressed pub keys. Compressed ones start with 0x02 or 0x03 instead of 0x04, and are 32 bytes long instead of 64.
Well they're 33 and 65 bytes if you include the prefix.
August 03, 2015, 09:37:54 AM
This was a very helpful graph in understanding bitcoin address basics. Does anyone know of anything like this for Monero addresses?
OT: Note that this is for uncompressed pub keys. Compressed ones start with 0x02 or 0x03 instead of 0x04, and are 32 bytes long instead of 64.
August 03, 2015, 09:23:17 AM
Isn't a private key way longer than an address?
This is probably wrong, but my though process:
No of bitcoin addresses = X^length
length = 32
x is no of characters. Since you have alphabet + capitals + numbers i would say X = 62.
It has to start with either a 1 or a 3 though, so 2 * 62^31, right?
This is probably wrong, but my though process:
No of bitcoin addresses = X^length
length = 32
x is no of characters. Since you have alphabet + capitals + numbers i would say X = 62.
It has to start with either a 1 or a 3 though, so 2 * 62^31, right?
The reason bitcoin addresses are short is they are hash of an ECC public key. In order to sign a transaction you have to provide with your signature, the full (longer) public key, which is first checked to hash to the address, before being used for verification.
But Monero address aren't directly comparable to Bitcoin addresses in another way. There is an extra step in the handling of stealth addresses that uses the address (public key) to create a new one-time key pair each time it is used. Only the one-time public key goes on the blockchain, not the address itself. That's why it is said that payments are unlinkable: no one can tell by looking at the blockchain the address that was used.
One-time keypairs essentially means there's something like 2^256 possible "addresses", irrespective of how many spend/view key combinations there are (though there'd be loads of collisions long before that).
I know this is a repeat question, but it is frustrating that I can't find an easy Google answer to it.
How many Monero addresses are possible vs. bitcoin? Bitcoin has 2^160 possible private keys, right? How many does Monero have (I would assume more because the Monero addresses I see are much longer). 2^???
How many Monero addresses are possible vs. bitcoin? Bitcoin has 2^160 possible private keys, right? How many does Monero have (I would assume more because the Monero addresses I see are much longer). 2^???
There's something like 2^256 private keys (almost all integers are valid), but only 2^160 public addresses.
Edit: well I guess 2^160 more p2sh addresses, so 2^161 total?
August 03, 2015, 09:21:21 AM
The full keys (spend + view) are 512 bits long. With a deterministic wallet the view key is a hash of the spend key so only the spend key is undetermined -- 256 bits. The short mnemonic versions use a 128 bits seed.
Any of these is sufficiently secure for practical purposes.
This was a very helpful graph in understanding bitcoin address basics. Does anyone know of anything like this for Monero addresses?
Hmm, I can create one of these easily. If only I liked creating graphics...
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