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Topic: [XPM] Working on a GPU miner for Primecoin, new thread :) - page 5. (Read 166583 times)

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the premise everyone has about this GPU miner is flawed... even from the get-go (in Sonny's original launch thread), no one was sure if a GPU miner would work. Just because SHA and Scrypt have been able to excel on GPU's has no bearing on whether or not GPU's would be at all useful for Primefactoring. But people who didn't believe that were willing to pay $10,000 to find out.

Will GPU's make prime coin miners rich? I don't think so. Conversely to bitcoin, the higher the difficulty of the prime coin network, the lower the actual rewards will be.  So, if someone creates a GPU miner that gets widely deployed, all that will mean is less coins are getting generated for everyone to share. Not even like Bitcoin, where the award stays stable for years at a time and then halved, and hashrate increases change the way the pie is sliced up; the rewards for primecoin actually diminish. Convert the whole network to GPU's that offer a huge performance increase and the block reward will tumble.

So no. GPU's offer no panacea, and would be hugely detrimental (i think). The only thing driving it is greed, where people (assumedly who have GPU's that are idled from the Bitcoin network) think they can get a leg up in primecoin land...

Someone talking sense at last! The whole GPU for Primecoin thing has been a disaster, no-one has been willing to develop anything for the coin because of this background idea that a GPU miner will turn up soon and instantly make us all millionaires/make the coin worthless. Isn't going to happen, people, Primecoin will remain a CPU only coin for a long time, mining at roughly the current rate. So let's get out there and build a useful environment around it.
legendary
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i think i might start to look into this Cheesy $10,000 im sure i can come up with something
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the premise everyone has about this GPU miner is flawed... even from the get-go (in Sonny's original launch thread), no one was sure if a GPU miner would work. Just because SHA and Scrypt have been able to excel on GPU's has no bearing on whether or not GPU's would be at all useful for Primefactoring. But people who didn't believe that were willing to pay $10,000 to find out.

Will GPU's make prime coin miners rich? I don't think so. Conversely to bitcoin, the higher the difficulty of the prime coin network, the lower the actual rewards will be.  So, if someone creates a GPU miner that gets widely deployed, all that will mean is less coins are getting generated for everyone to share. Not even like Bitcoin, where the award stays stable for years at a time and then halved, and hashrate increases change the way the pie is sliced up; the rewards for primecoin actually diminish. Convert the whole network to GPU's that offer a huge performance increase and the block reward will tumble.

So no. GPU's offer no panacea, and would be hugely detrimental (i think). The only thing driving it is greed, where people (assumedly who have GPU's that are idled from the Bitcoin network) think they can get a leg up in primecoin land...
legendary
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
the men who can create a good GPU miner for Prime will be rich

If only that is true, there would be several good XPM GPU miners.
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the men who can create a good GPU miner for Prime will be rich
sr. member
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its such a dissapointment though.

maybe that's why primecoin as a whole kinda died too.

the pessimists are always right Tongue
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i think this is ded

a bit sad that the community's 10 grand went to nothing. Sad

It died long ago man, you gotta let it go.
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i think this is ded

a bit sad that the community's 10 grand went to nothing. Sad
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Is there an android cpu miner for XPM? I was thinking about using Android mini PC with quad-core RK3188 A9 , they sell for $60-80 on the net.

 Not sure what kind of speeds they would get but i got free power here and they should stack up pretty well, any idea if this is possible?

I thought about doing this before with those android TV sticks, some of them have tegra 9 processors.  I don't think they would be very fast though, possibly about 10-20 of them would be one really fast i7.
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Is there an android cpu miner for XPM? I was thinking about using Android mini PC with quad-core RK3188 A9 , they sell for $60-80 on the net.

 Not sure what kind of speeds they would get but i got free power here and they should stack up pretty well, any idea if this is possible?
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Fully agree with CoinHoarder.

The peoples with pay for VPS and mine PrimeCoin it's botnet's or serious miner's? My opinion - they serious miners.
IMO botnet's can't take control of PrimeCoint network until serious miner's with VPS mines PrimeCoin, because diff is to high and computers which controlled by botnet's in 80% cases it's a regular home users computers without much CPU power.
rdebourbon is working on a primecoin miner for the parallella (parallella.org).  It is a $99 computer (essentially just cpu and cache on an ARM architecture) that can be infinitely parrallized.  I think this may be the ideal primecoin miner by a $/XPM mined basis
Interesting news - I have a parallella board coming sometime, as a Kickstarter invester. But I'm puzzled, if primecoin mining couldn't be made to work on a GPU with massive parallization, why should it work on a parallella board? Do you have any more details, link etc?



There's many different kinds of specialized high performance software. GPU's are one of them. I think it's got to do with the size/complexity of each core, and how many there are.
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Fully agree with CoinHoarder.

The peoples with pay for VPS and mine PrimeCoin it's botnet's or serious miner's? My opinion - they serious miners.
IMO botnet's can't take control of PrimeCoint network until serious miner's with VPS mines PrimeCoin, because diff is to high and computers which controlled by botnet's in 80% cases it's a regular home users computers without much CPU power.
rdebourbon is working on a primecoin miner for the parallella (parallella.org).  It is a $99 computer (essentially just cpu and cache on an ARM architecture) that can be infinitely parrallized.  I think this may be the ideal primecoin miner by a $/XPM mined basis
Interesting news - I have a parallella board coming sometime, as a Kickstarter invester. But I'm puzzled, if primecoin mining couldn't be made to work on a GPU with massive parallization, why should it work on a parallella board? Do you have any more details, link etc?



Hey keep us posted on the arrival of your parallela board!
sr. member
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The performance of the ARM core is insignificant, as it serves only to function as a controller of the Ephipany cores. It's like a pentium 4 with a radeon 7950. I still mined at regular speeds. Tongue
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I did some back of the envelope calculations that suggest parallella can't compete against just going out and buying a new i5/i7 and sticking it in a milk crate.

Dream away at finding a niche primecoin mining platform that no one else has up and running yet  Cheesy It's good to dream!
Even if true, the parallella does not require a MB, ram, an enclosure, cooling (other than maybe a single fan blowing across the entire assembly)  - and it is infinitely parallizable without any additional cost.  You cannot say the same for an i5/i7 which each require at the minimum a MB, ethernet, ram modules and cooling with some sort of enclosure and also it takes up 20X more space per unit.

I don't think the parallella is infinitely parallizable. On the board is "a dual-core ARM A9 CPU, a field programmable gate array (FPGA), and Adapteva's unique 16-core Epiphany coprocessor". Sure you can connect them into a cluster, or wait (for how long?) for the 64-core coprocessor, but modern GPUs have hundreds if not thousands of "cores", depending how you define them. So the parallella may be capable of running some version of primecoin, but it will be much slower than running the current client on a up-to-date i7.
well rbdbourbon thinks differently. We will see...
ARM CPUs are not the quickest but I think trying this out has potential and it is great to do something new and unique. Even if it does not work for primecoin, other uses may materialise.

Keep us updated on progress.
legendary
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Are there any Win64 builds out there of the most recent source?
sr. member
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This is coin excites me but I totally dont get it, all I get is its awesome as hell and I just keep buying cause i see it bottomed out.

Keep up good work, I for some strange reason have a really good feeling about this one lol
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I did some back of the envelope calculations that suggest parallella can't compete against just going out and buying a new i5/i7 and sticking it in a milk crate.

Dream away at finding a niche primecoin mining platform that no one else has up and running yet  Cheesy It's good to dream!
Even if true, the parallella does not require a MB, ram, an enclosure, cooling (other than maybe a single fan blowing across the entire assembly)  - and it is infinitely parallizable without any additional cost.  You cannot say the same for an i5/i7 which each require at the minimum a MB, ethernet, ram modules and cooling with some sort of enclosure and also it takes up 20X more space per unit.

I don't think the parallella is infinitely parallizable. On the board is "a dual-core ARM A9 CPU, a field programmable gate array (FPGA), and Adapteva's unique 16-core Epiphany coprocessor". Sure you can connect them into a cluster, or wait (for how long?) for the 64-core coprocessor, but modern GPUs have hundreds if not thousands of "cores", depending how you define them. So the parallella may be capable of running some version of primecoin, but it will be much slower than running the current client on a up-to-date i7.
well rbdbourbon thinks differently. We will see...
hero member
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I did some back of the envelope calculations that suggest parallella can't compete against just going out and buying a new i5/i7 and sticking it in a milk crate.

Dream away at finding a niche primecoin mining platform that no one else has up and running yet  Cheesy It's good to dream!
Even if true, the parallella does not require a MB, ram, an enclosure, cooling (other than maybe a single fan blowing across the entire assembly)  - and it is infinitely parallizable without any additional cost.  You cannot say the same for an i5/i7 which each require at the minimum a MB, ethernet, ram modules and cooling with some sort of enclosure and also it takes up 20X more space per unit.

I don't think the parallella is infinitely parallizable. On the board is "a dual-core ARM A9 CPU, a field programmable gate array (FPGA), and Adapteva's unique 16-core Epiphany coprocessor". Sure you can connect them into a cluster, or wait (for how long?) for the 64-core coprocessor, but modern GPUs have hundreds if not thousands of "cores", depending how you define them. So the parallella may be capable of running some version of primecoin, but it will be much slower than running the current client on a up-to-date i7.
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I know scrypt is not fpga friendly but how about primecoin?

We're not even hashing anymore. Hell. I don't think anyone even UNDERSTANDS what we're doing here. XD
legendary
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Has anybody solved any block with a GPU?
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