Topic: Yesminer M20 / M10 - page 4. (Read 46890 times)

Do you have any experience of that or are you just saying that? I have a case with a bank / Visa where they explicitly state that a payment with their card via Paypal is NOT covered by a Visa protection scheme.

I got one from Amex after the 45 days of PayPal expired, but alpha also lied to Amex that I paid I in full on dispute. Actual Amex rep swore on phone at that ( said what an ass under his breath) heh this was fraud dept. Got refund on the spot. It had been denied 1x but I pointed out the lie. Amex was miffed off. Got full refund on the spot.


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The above did happen around June 2015....the policies may have changed....and/or I may have just gotten lucky because of the nature of the documentation they sent
Alpha Tech...Scrypt Miner folk (still get emails from them 2 years later saying soon ...lol )  'implied' I paid full price for a product...when alpha tech only took 30% down.....anyway my experience may have been unique and now that time has gone by....this may not be done anymore...just saying ....dumb luck on my part .....and don't lie with doc's in a dispute to Amex...they were NOT amused.....especially when on the phone with the Fraud Dept (they call you if they think it prudent on a dispute)...(again my 2nd try ..I lost the first dispute) with Amex I guess...and re-reading above had to have a LOT of ducks in a row in 20/20 hindsight to get that instant refund it seems.....

Yeah, Lucky.  So much negativity in this thread.  Had to add at least a glimmer of good news.  Good luck to the rest, seriously  .
And I am researching at high-power GTX cards for Ether mining.

haha awesome! so happy to hear a happy ending for once
might i suggest when u build that pc, if u got a bit to burn, make it also a GPU mining rig
GPU mining has come back and theres money to be made if done right!
best days to you

anybody got his miners 

Everbody told u guys 

Yeah, I was stupid and naive.  The listing was for a code which they delivered and it worked on their website.  The action required by the eBay listing was fulfilled as far as I saw it.  Ditto for the other 23 eBay buyers.  I assumed had I started a case eBay Buyer Protection/PayPal would side with YesMiners because they did as promised by the voucher.  (Stupid, stupid, stupid.)  With all the discounts and cashback, I would have been out about 1160USD.  This is at a time when BTC was around 260USD!  Would have been better off buying five coins and parking them in a BTCPop investor pool for six months.

Now I have a pile of valid eBay gift codes.  Time to finally build a few PC, which is why I get into BTC in the first place.  Saw a Bitcoin Accepted Here banner on a site and thought What's Bitcoin?  That was ten months ago and still haven't built that PC.

Also not true in the EU

Not true, at least not in the US. I've been on both ends of this and CC chargebacks on PayPal payments go through just fine.

Card issuers usually won't offer protection on Paypal payments citing Paypal as a payment processor, so their transaction is just with Paypal and the customer's dispute is between Paypal and the seller.

I believe you could have started and easily won a PayPal or eBay case yourself. And if you had paid with a credit card instead of gift cards you'd have another layer of protection.

Not an endorsement to spend recklessly on scams. In the end we all share the cost of those PayPal disputes and CC chargebacks if they can't recover from the actual perpetrator.

giving positiv feedback because you got a working code *LOL* seriously? WTF!
I always thought that are fake ratings because nobody can be that stupid

Not exactly.  The eBay listing was #161785116168 being sold by YesMiners themselves.  No middleman.  I communicated directly with "Mark" from day 1.

The YesMiners eBay profile is was http://www.ebay.com/usr/yesminers.  Check the feedback and you'll find I was the first to give them positive marks; didn't praise the product, only the voucher which did work.  The voucher was used to "buy" the miner and several accessories including the "Overclock" upgrade a few months later.  What confused me the whole time was why they bothered to respond to inquires months after the auction ended and days before the operation went silent.  That kept my hopes up... Falsely.

Don't know how or who got the reversal started but damn, I was freakin' lucky.  Hopefully contact information in the screenshots is useful to others.

I'm a bit confused on this...but does this mean WHOEVER sold you the voucher via paypal on ebay.....was taken on such by yesminers themselves..thus when yesminers went poof and the vouchers etc became worthless...a complaint was made and paypal forced the folk 1 step above you in this yesminers scam who were likely taken for 'big bucks' to refund the vouchers?

is that how this played out?

Report it to your local police, they will liaise with German police via interpol.

Hello, You People.  I have been following (lurking) this thread for months as an unregistered guest.

My YesMiners story:
I saw a YesMiners auction listing on the US-eBay site and bit.  I was new to BTC, greedy, and naive.  I was third highest bidder in the last seconds at $1235 of $1750-ish for a $2750 voucher on YesMiners.de.  You can imagine my shock when I received a second-chance offer.  I figured they were new and eager for start-up cash.  CardCash had a 5% fire sale on eBay gift cards at the same moment so I took the offer.  Support (Mark) was very communicative and helpful at the time as he was until the supposed release day.  Even applying excess voucher funds to accessories on request with receipts and all.  You can imagine my dread when the YesMiners site went silent, then offline.  Surprise - It was a scam.  I never complained because they followed the rules set by eBay, performing as the listing dictated.  I bought a voucher code that did work on their site.  They even mailed me a letter (printed on A4 paper - link below).  I chalked it up to an expensive life lesson.

Edit - I don't have the envelope.

Well, now imagine my shock when I checked my PayPal balance recently and saw the entire amount was refunded!  The gift cards were restored and cash amount was returned to my PayPal account!  (See redacted screenshot below.)  Resolution Center listed the gift codes, thankfully.  I called PayPal customer support to get more information and a gentleman with a strong Indian accent named Nathan says Pylon Consulting was forced to refund the amount.  Or maybe Nathan didn't understand my question and was just agreeing with me.  Either way, THANK YOU whoever opened an case against PYC.  I had already given up.  Thank you.

YesLetter -
YesRefund -

TD;DR: I got my cash back and learned a lesson!

Im running a case against them at German Police. I know for a fact that it is more than 1 guy. I spoke in the telephone with 3 different persons before they vanished. E-mails are written in different and perfect english. 1 guy is American called Mike Write. So in my digging its Volker Studier, Mr. Schultz and Mike Write. According to Fidor bank the account is without any money and was drained as soon as money came in A LOT OF MONEY.
The German police takes it very serious and I more or less in dayli contact with them.

All i can say is FUCK off! Dont encourage this poor people, dont give them false hope!

KFC hold my money for years, and I got my miner finally, eve through not profitable, but later better than never.

What about that fake set and pretty lighting. That is not the way these companies look. If it was a real startup it probably would have rough edges and wires sticking out the back and bad spray paint. No startup that is bringing something new to the market would spend money or time on that. You would see a messy lab or a warehouse floor and perhaps after selling hundreds and thousands they will start making it look like a retail product with a commercial. This fictitious company jumped right to the retail product/ tv commercial stage without showing us the R&D first and first version.

And this is reason from page 1 people warned about it and even more heavily in page 2.  If you are seeking money from them might backup videos 2 are already deleted on youtube.

The thing I found crazy watching video... no network cable plugged in yet LCD shows hashing.  People should have questioned the crap out of that and not invested.  You are right a LCD could easily be programmed to say that.  I honestly am surprised people bought  these.  It does appear to be scam from beginning not a failed venture... so that is going to make it even harder to get any money back.