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Pmalek, I am very impressed with you. We have communicated in some posts, and I have also received your kind suggestions. I believe you have also read some of my articles. Do we believe others' slander because of some data piled up by others?
This is my response to Ratimov's defamation of me that I just finished writing. I hope that each of us should have the ability to think and judge independently, instead of directly listening to other people's slander.

Ratimov, do not get deluded by pride or hatred

I have noticed several of RainbowKun's threads in Bitcoin Discussions. He seemed like a very philosophical type of member, but he posted huge threads and walls of text where you simply lost focus after a while. I started reading his content more deeply after someone (maybe an alt of his) created a thread in Meta in which he was hailed for his discussions and research. I remember asking him in one of his threads whether everything he writes is the fruit of his own imagination and knowledge or if he is using some sources and articles while creating content. In that case, he needs to post references to the original material he used to construct his threads. He said he didn't, and that it's all his. Since I couldn't find plagiarized content, I believed what he said was true.

I am guilty of meriting some of his threads. I guess I was made to look like a fool like so many of us here. I noticed that he wasn't part of any signature campaign and neither are some of the other users that Ratimov mentioned in this thread. Maybe that was supposed to come later. Shame really if all this is true. He looked like a unique type of member. I guess not...      

Hello, Mr. Ratimov,
I just saw your post,I saw my name in this thread with a lot of text, a lot of screenshots, and a lot of data.

I want to temporarily suppress my own anger, Although I know that this is bad for my health,If I vent my anger in your thread like you, I will definitely be able to vent, but I think at least you are in this forum. It is a person worthy of my respect, but your words above are too gaffe, at least you have always given me the impression that you are calm and unselfish helping others, and I even doubt whether you have been hacked.

I saw my name in your thread, I don't understand, I have to figure it out, I saw that you said in the above content that it may be because of Merit, below I will post my Merit screenshots, everyone will come over take a look

Mainly because I didn't see any problems by myself,Is it because Mr. Kun gave me merit?But I checked the post that day, and anyone who responded there was given the merits.See screenshot:



Seeing the advantages gained here, even if you don’t, I think you still admire people with writing ability,Everyone is reading the article carefully,Only you will pay attention to whom Rainbow Kun gave me a Merit, which is very boring! I really can't think of any reason for him to have a huge army.
Now let’s not talk about the merits that Mr. Kun gave to others,Let’s talk about the merits he got,The merits he got should be the merits given by many predecessors,I believe you are familiar with the names inside, and I especially hate you for using " The term "cheating" is used to insult others because it is too arbitrary.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2852519
Every Merit I give is carrying value. I think the replies can help me and make me feel valuable,I will naturally give me feedback, The Merit I receive is also the same. Don’t you think so? ?

Are you giving Merit with your eyes closed?
If you think it is valuable, you give it to Merit. If you think it is worthless, you don't give it.
The ones who gave me Merit are Welsh DdmrDdmr OgNasty lovesmayfamilis Pmalek fillippone. These people are the predecessors of the forum and are worthy of my respect. They give Merit to me. I believe it must be done out of inner approval. Then you say Where does the deception come from?


I see that you treat Kaggie and KingsDen as suspect accounts,Are your heads caught in the door? Those are two of the best newcomers,I hope your eyes and brains are in place soon.
I think you should pay more attention to the content. Merit is an expression of excellent content.
Finally, I want to say to you loudly, please put your ears up, I was drawn to your farm in a muddle, I want to sue you, just on the forum, you must apologize to me, you have violated me Your reputation, you have lost my previous admiration for you, you must apologize to me, you must apologize to me!

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By the way, I saw HaleyOccam on your list, he also gave it to me, but others also gave it to me the same day, the kind-hearted brother fillippone and the kind-hearted aoluain brother also supported me, I will release the screenshot below for you Open your eyes and see clearly, am I posting valuable content on the forum,

I don't think you are a content-oriented person. I feel that you rarely read other people's articles. I feel that you are addicted to self-appreciation.

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Please immediately, immediately, remove my name from your list.


[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

I support. Almost all the violas you presented also use lists similar to this design.




 At first, I was somewhat surprised that many newbies appeared who use this. But later, if you pay attention to their transfer of merits, the same accounts always appear.
Just as an extra "coincidence"

I have seen some of your questions about me here, please wait for the reply of my independent article.

This is a genius discovery I must confess. If I have to dispute everything on this thread, not this one. Personally, @RainbowKun's articles appears complex to me, I do not actually read nor reply. But, one day I patiently went through two of his articles. I dropped a counter reply to what his article proposed, I was waiting for a technical or complex reply. But was disappointed when he replied in agreement with me despite that I opposed him. The second reply was just like "thank you for your reply, but what I am saying is..."seeming like an automated reply .

@Ratimov you dropped some screenshots showing the number of posts and activity to be same. How was that achieved, because activity delays 14days before reflecting, obviously posts should be greater than activities. And also how is it related in the investigations. Thank you!

Oh yeah, the moment I saw that topic
Check out RainbowKun's article to see if forums really need depth knowledge.
I knew it, this is going to be another "the-devil" and his 50 merits popcorn-worthy drama.
The amount and intensity of own ass licking in that topic....damn..

I had interacted with him just a few times and mainly because he was clearly trying to spin something to make it longer while losing completely logic on the way but I had a really bad feeling about his topics and one of them was the striking weird number of newbies posting not the usual shitposting but still posts that we're definitely not meant as a conversation and probably were used also to bump his topics again to attract attention and more merit.

My only dilemma left is who spent more time in this, Ratimov with this research or Rainbow-sama and his followers with the copy-spin-paste.  

The profuse thank-you's and similar posting style wouldn't have my radar up, but that part of his merit history is concerning.  Then again, I was duped into meriting some of them myself before they were sniffed out.  

I'll have to re-read the entirety of this thread, because off the top of my head I don't recall KingsDen being involved in the alt account ring.  Assuming he wasn't mentioned previously, I'd be interested to know if there's any evidence he was, because I've been giving him a pretty fair amount of merits.  He started this thread today, and it immediately struck me as a merit-grab attempt because there's no purpose to such a thread and it's not likely any of the Meta regulars would care about the suggestions he made, since they've been made before.

Well, he probably got reported by multiple members.  I know I reported him for plagiarism today or yesterday, and it'd be pretty hard for the mods to ignore such obvious proof of it even if they were inclined to do so, which I'm hoping they're not.

Sweet. There is still some justice left in this shithole amazing melting pot of ideas.

Hear hear.

kxwhalexk is now banned BTW.


Probably gonna get reported for plagiarism now.

Oh well, good work everybody. Let's do it again tomorrow.

And as promised I have removed my neg from kxwhalexk.

Lol, after I posted this question to kxwhalexk, he locked the thread.  Well, actually it was after Kingsden's post, but still--it was his thread, and the title is asking for the community to "judge this matter".  I think he doesn't like how he's being judged and knows he's busted at this point.

I'd say that this is a pattern among a lot of members who don't speak English that well, but those "coincidences" are hard to ignore.  Yet more nails have been driven into his bitcointalk coffin.  Good catch, Ratimov.

We shouldn't give up, no matter how much it might seem that the battle is lost.  It's discouraging, yes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be raining holy hell down on these account farmers and shitposters when possible.

Edit:

Sweet.  Thanks for that bit of intel, and glad you agree that the fight is worth it.

I rarely posted in the thread and would report posts even when I did, so it's not about that. I don't mind reporting a few posts per user, since "I did it only once" was a very common excuse but I don't think it should take dozens of plagiarised posts to get a ban, or hundreds of spam posts to get a tempban, etc.

Makes me rethink my position towards trust ratings for forum rule violations, despite what "official" guidance might be. I really dislike this forum turning into affirmative action for spammers. If moderation doesn't cut it maybe an ignore system similar to trust system needs to be set up so that you can have posts hidden based on what users in your network consider low value garbage.


I've had a lot of "Good" reports without bans so perhaps the posts got deleted for low value but deemed insufficient proof of plagiarism, not sure.

If the evidence in a report is very clear and easy to process then the mods do generally ban members for plagiarism on the spot, but if its the slightest bit complicated then it remains forever in the Unhandled bin.

Regardless of whether or not these accounts are copy/pasting 7 or more words in a row (the loosest definition of "plagiarism"), they are still taking the spirit of somebody else's work and claiming it as their own.

That's dishonest and certainly not trustworthy. They cheapen the forum for others who bother to come up with "original content", aka normal conversation like a normal human being.


This makes sense as they are not in sig campaigns and haven't been applying AFAIK.

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To the end of simplifying plagiarism accusations, let's see if this nudges any budges:


Google translation:


Also found here:



Translated:


So this is a direct word-for-word, untranslated copy/paste which would definitely result in a ban if written in English.

All accounts that I inform the moderators in your topic are always processed, and users are banned. But for this, I also send the report directly, with a link to the post.
But lately, some posts with obvious plagiarism have remained unprocessed. Although, if you compare all my reports to the accounts that I described above, they were banned instantly.
The moderators probably have a lot of work to do.

From my experience, my plagiarism topic isn't often checked by Mods to ban them. But if I report a plagiarising post directly, they're banned much quicker.

Not really sure. At one point I saw accounts with 5+ reported plagiarized posts still hanging around so I just gave up on it. When it takes more effort to find and report plagiarism to get them banned than it does for the plagiarist to spin up (no pun intended) a new account to a revenue-earning level (signatures etc), the battle is lost. I don't think it was trivial for nutildah to find this translated copypasta and if that doesn't result in a ban then we'll know.

There's no need to, IMO.  With that one post you hopefully ensured that he'll be banned for good, with no excuses this time.  Did you report that post to the mods, by any chance?

And people wonder why I'm so careful when meriting newbies, to the point where it seems like I'm biased against them.  Well, all of the evidence presented in this thread should serve as vindication of that cautiousness, because I've seen crap like this happen before.  

Um....why are they not?  Is that not a thing anymore?

Eh, then Theymos can ban these idiots.  In the meantime, the community should take matters into their own hands, just like they do with scammers, which Theymos allows to thrive on bitcointalk.  Know what I mean?

Yes you do.  And even if you aren't involved in the alt account ring, you sure as hell plagiarized your way to some serious merit earnings, which you then used to merit multiple members of the ring, thereby contributing to it.  Hopefully a permaban will be forthcoming, and sooner rather than later.

I’ve been wary of @RainbowKun for a while. There are some things that looked a bit off, and I did check for plagiarism quite a few times without rendering any results. Nevertheless, I still has the cross-language + spin possibility on a conceptual sticky note at the back of my mind.

There’s the fact that some of the OP type posts, present a vocabulary that is way more complex in construction than that used when replying to quoted fragments of other people’s posts. On a complete different scale at times.

I noticed a certain groupie effect on some of his threads (all included in OP’s list of suspects). My hypothesis is that they are all friends and such, working towards a common objective of creating a name on the forum, to launch his (Rainbow) DAO project shortly. The strategy is fine if playing by the book, but this thread is questioning whether the play is legit or foul (i.e. meriting alt accounts, or friend accounts for the sake of being friends and working towards a common goal), and whether content was partially built through intended cross-language + spinning techniques. @nutildah’s post above seems to exemplify the latter clearly in a sample case.

This is easy to fix - mods should start banning for plagiarism again.

You shouldn't do that:

Mods won't do that, but you can wipe any post by yourself as long as you're not banned.

When he posted dates and events in his (long) posts, I tried to find plagiarism (but couldn't find it). It makes sense he used different references for his long detailed posts.