It might help. I'm also in no way trying to cast blame on the data representation you provide, as far as I know you are using the correct terms.
I'll take some time to think on it but my initial thoughts are referring to this as a "Persona Feedback Network" "inclusions" and "exclusions" would be fine with almost no negative connotation. What's the 4th category? I'm on mobile at the moment.
Topic: [130 weeks] [Updated Jul 10] LoyceV's Trust list viewer - Create your own! - page 25. (Read 23847 times)
September 29, 2019, 12:22:37 PM
September 29, 2019, 12:02:01 PM
@Steamtyme: would it help if I change the description for all 4 categories? And if so, what should it be?
September 29, 2019, 11:32:39 AM
I always feel like "Trust backstabbers" are the most sincere form of Trust list usage. As an example, these are all "Trust backstabbers" on theymos' Trust list:
~snip~
When evaluating someone's judgement, you should also look at their stance on Flags.
For example:
OgNasty's Personal Trust Flag viewer (to my surprise he's not supporting any Flags)
LFC_Bitcoin's Personal Trust Flag viewer (a very long list
)
Yeah when it comes to Backstabbers you can be assured that at least 1 if not both parties truly understand the meaning behind the terms. Using "Trust" for the name of the list seems to cause problems from people feeling attacked. It makes it personal when it really isn't. I'll have to remember to use Flags as a metric, especially when trying to give advice in the future. ~snip~
When evaluating someone's judgement, you should also look at their stance on Flags.
For example:
OgNasty's Personal Trust Flag viewer (to my surprise he's not supporting any Flags)
LFC_Bitcoin's Personal Trust Flag viewer (a very long list
)I probably trust some people who have ~ him so that’s why he’s done it. My response was absolutely retaliatory, I’ve been on this forum since 2014 & never once scammed anybody or even for one second thought about it. If he doesn’t trust me then I can’t find myself able to trust him.
Not a problem I get it. Moving forward just try looking at it less as him not trusting you, that's just a poor choice of phrasing IMO, as stated above. Having been here so long, breaking the habit of seeing trust lists in that light will not likely come easy. I try to focus more on myself than how others are using the list, so I can't really speak to how OG does things or how often he changes his list or what his reasons are. You might have it correct, people's trust lists do fall under scrutiny especially if they near a DT1 inclusion so some will begin to exclude you if they disagree with your list.For me there are people I would trust with my money who I don't have on my list, because I don't value their feedback. There are also people I excluded that I would send money to first on a trade. Might seem backwards and counter intuitive but for me it makes sense.
September 29, 2019, 10:34:51 AM
It's your list and you are free to do as you see fit. Seeing as you put it out here though I don't follow this line of thinking; it just seems retaliatory. It would have made sense to me if you had thought more on OG's feedback and inclusions to decide if you agreed with it or not. If nothing else reaching out to him and inquiring as to why?
In a purely hypothetical as I have no insight into this. If they were just trying out a new list and the next week you were no longer ~ would you then remove the "favor"?
In a purely hypothetical as I have no insight into this. If they were just trying out a new list and the next week you were no longer ~ would you then remove the "favor"?
I probably trust some people who have ~ him so that’s why he’s done it. My response was absolutely retaliatory, I’ve been on this forum since 2014 & never once scammed anybody or even for one second thought about it. If he doesn’t trust me then I can’t find myself able to trust him.
September 29, 2019, 09:42:08 AM
Seeing as you put it out here though I don't follow this line of thinking; it just seems retaliatory. It would have made sense to me if you had thought more on OG's feedback and inclusions to decide if you agreed with it or not.
Agreed. Trust lists should ideally only be based on how you value the other person's judgement.I always feel like "Trust backstabbers" are the most sincere form of Trust list usage. As an example, these are all "Trust backstabbers" on theymos' Trust list:
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Trust list for: theymos (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (62) 5269 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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theymos Distrusts:
1. ~CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. ~Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (23) 1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~Tomatocage (Trust: +17 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~KWH (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. ~FullLife (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. ~Saint-loup (Trust: neutral) (463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
theymos is Trusted by:
24. CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (DT1 (-4) 22 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
39. Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (23) 1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
45. Tomatocage (Trust: +17 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
77. KWH (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. FullLife (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
306. Saint-loup (Trust: neutral) (463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
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theymos Distrusts:
1. ~CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (
3. ~Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (23) 1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~Tomatocage (Trust: +17 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~KWH (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. ~FullLife (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. ~Saint-loup (Trust: neutral) (463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
theymos is Trusted by:
24. CanaryInTheMine (Trust: +31 / =0 / -0) (
39. Vod (Trust: +29 / =2 / -2) (DT1! (23) 1305 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
45. Tomatocage (Trust: +17 / =2 / -1) (202 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
77. KWH (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (45 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. FullLife (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
306. Saint-loup (Trust: neutral) (463 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
(quote heavily cropped)
When evaluating someone's judgement, you should also look at their stance on Flags.
For example:
OgNasty's Personal Trust Flag viewer (to my surprise he's not supporting any Flags)
LFC_Bitcoin's Personal Trust Flag viewer (a very long list
) September 29, 2019, 09:15:31 AM
It's your list and you are free to do as you see fit. Seeing as you put it out here though I don't follow this line of thinking; it just seems retaliatory. It would have made sense to me if you had thought more on OG's feedback and inclusions to decide if you agreed with it or not. If nothing else reaching out to him and inquiring as to why?
In a purely hypothetical as I have no insight into this. If they were just trying out a new list and the next week you were no longer ~ would you then remove the "favor"?
In a purely hypothetical as I have no insight into this. If they were just trying out a new list and the next week you were no longer ~ would you then remove the "favor"?
September 29, 2019, 07:48:53 AM
**LFC_Bitcoin checks Loyce’s thread for changes in his trust list viewer & notices OgNasty has ~ him**
**LFC_Bitcoin tries to think of anything he could have done to deserve this, draws a blank & returns the favour**
**LFC_Bitcoin tries to think of anything he could have done to deserve this, draws a blank & returns the favour**
September 28, 2019, 03:18:46 AM
You can try the blue or royalblue color for NEW
Blue looks okay, I'll use it next week 
September 28, 2019, 02:53:32 AM
<...> If someone has a better color scheme for NEW/Removed/Banned, please post.
You can try the blue or royalblue color for NEW
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Trust list for: whyrqa (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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whyrqa Trusts:
1.PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
<...>
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
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whyrqa Trusts:
1.
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
<...>
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
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Trust list for: whyrqa (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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whyrqa Trusts:
1.PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
<...>
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
Back to index
whyrqa Trusts:
1.
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
<...>
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
September 28, 2019, 02:22:06 AM
Update:
It's uploaded already, so go read your Saturday Morning Newspaper I'll update the top-navigation-bar tomorrow.
If someone has a better color scheme for NEW/Removed/Banned, please post.
Sample:
It's uploaded already, so go read your Saturday Morning Newspaper
I'll update the top-navigation-bar tomorrow.As you can tell I have not really thought this through, lol. Whatever you think works will be fine with me 
I went for orange. I'm not entirely happy with it, but what do I know about colors.If someone has a better color scheme for NEW/Removed/Banned, please post.
Sample:
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Trust list for: whyrqa (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-28_Sat_06.17h)
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whyrqa Trusts:
1.PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
whyrqa Distrusts:
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whyrqa is Trusted by:
1.PancherBitCoin Banned! (Trust: neutral) (67 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~whyrqa is Distrusted by:
1. whyrqa-1 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
(I'll fix the missing space after NEW in BBCode in next week's update) Back to index
whyrqa Trusts:
1.
2. NEWHhampuz (Trust: +68 / =2 / -0) (1211 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEWLassie (Trust: neutral) (132 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. Ratimov (Trust: neutral) (107 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
whyrqa Distrusts:
-
whyrqa is Trusted by:
1.
~whyrqa is Distrusted by:
1. whyrqa-1 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
September 22, 2019, 02:14:27 AM
What happened here? 
This is the reason:Quote
Foxpup Distrusts:
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154. Removed~CryptoBinaryOptions (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
I checked to see if I removed him by accident, and I definitely have not. Is it because he just got nuked?...
154. Removed
trust.txt.xz only includes relationships where both the truster and trustee have non-zero post counts.
September 21, 2019, 11:15:55 AM
perhaps "New" being in Green or some other positive color?
That would make excluding someone a positive green act too? It's going to be confusing if including is green and excluding is red, unless it's removing, then removing an inclusion gets red while removing an exclusion gets green? Lol I'll think about it this week. Changing a color isn't that much work.
As you can tell I have not really thought this through, lol. Whatever you think works will be fine with me
September 21, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
perhaps "New" being in Green or some other positive color?
That would make excluding someone a positive green act too? It's going to be confusing if including is green and excluding is red, unless it's removing, then removing an inclusion gets red while removing an exclusion gets green? Lol I'll think about it this week. Changing a color isn't that much work.
September 21, 2019, 11:00:38 AM
Banned users can't get into DT1, but they can help still vote other members into DT1 (assuming they have enough Merit).
Ah yes, I meant if any banned user helped someone get into DT1 through voting with the merit earned.. would be interesting to see.
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~I'm used to red being a new addition or removal but nope, just Maicol still being banned.
That's been bugging me for a while indeed. I think I first added red NEW/Removed notifications, and later on added red Banned statuses. It's all red, and that's the problem I can just change one of them into another color. Choose a color, and I'll change it next week
You are correct! It's mainly the color, hah. What if Banned would be in black? Or some other dark color, with "Removed" staying in Red and perhaps "New" being in Green or some other positive color? Haha don't want to give you unnecessary work though so just do what you think is best (and thanks again for doing any of this, you are a star!).
September 21, 2019, 10:56:00 AM
to see if anyone that was banned got into the DT1 round of that particular month).
Banned users can't get into DT1, but they can help still vote other members into DT1 (assuming they have enough Merit).Quote
~I'm used to red being a new addition or removal but nope, just Maicol still being banned.
That's been bugging me for a while indeed. I think I first added red NEW/Removed notifications, and later on added red Banned statuses. It's all red, and that's the problem I can just change one of them into another color. Choose a color, and I'll change it next week
September 21, 2019, 10:36:26 AM
Is it possible to remove the banned accounts from showing up after a while?
I don't really want to do that, as it feels like censoring data. The banned users' Trust lists still exist, and as long as they don't get wiped, they can still use their DT1-voting-power. I think banned users can still add or remove users from their Trust list, but I'm not sure.Ah, I was not aware they still held such powers. If they do, that seems a bit silly though and perhaps something theymos should look into (or someone else, perhaps someone that likes to scrape data to see if anyone that was banned got into the DT1 round of that particular month).
It's just this one user "Maicol72" or something that got banned 4-5 months ago and every week when I check my trust list I'm used to red being a new addition or removal but nope, just Maicol still being banned.
I hear you though, and understand the decision.
September 21, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
Is it possible to remove the banned accounts from showing up after a while?
I don't really want to do that, as it feels like censoring data. The banned users' Trust lists still exist, and as long as they don't get wiped, they can still use their DT1-voting-power. I think banned users can still add or remove users from their Trust list, but I'm not sure.Quote
I have a few that trust me and it looks strange when it just says "Banned" in bold red (I assume these are perma-bans anyways).
Modlog only shows permabans indeed. A few users have been unbanned, and if they make a post, I take them off my banned list.There are also users who exclude many banned users.
Example:
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Trust list for: JollyGood (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (101 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-21_Sat_06.17h)
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JollyGood Distrusts:
1. ~HostFat (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (DT1 (-2) 91 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. ~Decksperiment (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW>~anth36jian Banned! (Trust: awaiting update) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. ~paci (Trust: !!!: +1 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~daly896 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. ~Ohana Barter Banned! (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. ~n_vd Banned! (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. ~Freddy63 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. ~eliale (Trust: !!!: +1 / =0 / -4) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~pogi23 Banned! (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
11. ~mcneLubB Banned! (Trust: neutral) (2 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
12. ~dapp1 Banned! (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
13. ~tabbac Banned! (Trust: neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
14. ~italia (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. ~whitetoo Banned! (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~snip~
320. NEW>~kryper (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
321. NEW>~COINSBIT.EXCHANGE (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
I try to provide as much information as I can, including the account status. Back to index
JollyGood Distrusts:
1. ~HostFat (Trust: +2 / =0 / -1) (
2. ~Decksperiment (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW>~
4. ~paci (Trust: !!!: +1 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
5. ~daly896 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. ~
7. ~
8. ~Freddy63 (Trust: neutral) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. ~eliale (Trust: !!!: +1 / =0 / -4) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. ~
11. ~
12. ~
13. ~
14. ~italia (Trust: neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
15. ~
~snip~
320. NEW>~kryper (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
321. NEW>~COINSBIT.EXCHANGE (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
September 21, 2019, 07:02:18 AM
Is it possible to remove the banned accounts from showing up after a while? I have a few that trust me and it looks strange when it just says "Banned" in bold red (I assume these are perma-bans anyways).
September 21, 2019, 06:53:55 AM
Update:
It's done uploading, so enjoy!
The top-navigation-bar will be updated tomorrow.
It's done uploading, so enjoy!
The top-navigation-bar will be updated tomorrow.
I've excluded him too as a test:
It's still a mystery, see theymos: what's the policy on Nuked accounts and Trust lists?Code:
~CryptoBinaryOptions
We'll see next week.(Also, in an apparently unrelated bug, it seems removed entries are absent from BBcode pages, forcing me to mark up this post myself.)
Fixed:Quote
Trust list for: Foxpup (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 581 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-09-21_Sat_06.17h)
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Foxpup is Trusted by:
1. Flying Hellfish (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 697 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. TMAN (Trust: +27 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 1054 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW>Nestade (Trust: neutral) (308 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~snip~
Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
I'll remove the redundant ">" starting next week. Back to index
Foxpup is Trusted by:
1. Flying Hellfish (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 697 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
2. TMAN (Trust: +27 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (24) 1054 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
3. NEW>Nestade (Trust: neutral) (308 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
~snip~
Trust list: backscratchers: users agree, they trust or distrust each other.
Trust list: backstabbers: users disagree, one user trust the other, while the other distrust him.
Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.
September 14, 2019, 04:00:12 AM
What happened here?
I don't know Quote
Foxpup Distrusts:
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154. Removed~CryptoBinaryOptions (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
I checked to see if I removed him by accident, and I definitely have not. Is it because he just got nuked?...
154. Removed
CryptoBinaryOptions doesn't show up in theymos' Trust data dump (txt version), which gives me the impression you removed him. You should probably ask theymos how Trust lists for nuked users are handled, his Trust feedback was not removed.The Trust-update crossed my Banned-update, so he's not marked as banned yet.
I've excluded him too as a test:
Code:
~CryptoBinaryOptions
We'll see next week.Quote
(Also, in an apparently unrelated bug, it seems removed entries are absent from BBcode pages, forcing me to mark up this post myself.)
That was intentional. I mean laziness But indeed, I've seen several screenshots recently to show the NEW or Removed status, so starting next week, I'll add it to the BBCode. Jump to: