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Quote from: Reid on May 11, 2020, 12:55:10 AM

An example of a super team is this.
2004 Lakers team. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton with Coach Phil on their back.
Yet, Pistons win. Grin

That's unfortunate, maybe we can call them super players in a team because in order for a team to win they need to have a good chemistry.
That was way back 2004, things have really change a lot today, the game is less physical and the team that wins now are those who are good in 3 point shooting.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 11, 2020, 12:12:49 AM

I noticed that too, sometimes they explode, KCP and Bradley at the same time are both good 3 point shooters, but of course if they can get a consistent shooters, that would help the team a lot. This two should remain.

I'd still pick KCP rather than Danny Green. As said, their offense is already good with AD and LBJ, but they will need stops to gain the momentum.

I don't know what's your basis, but the way I see it, it seems like Danny green is a better defender, and this guy has a lot of championship experience and has become a champion many times. He came from the Spurs, and I just like how the spurs trained their players in terms of defense.

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Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.

Lebron controlling the pace of each plays with the help of his teammates creating spaces and good rotations it will be much easier for him to convert.
In terms of defense, having McGee, Howard and Davis who protects the inner side it's already threatening the opposing team to try driving as for sure the presence of this inner core are their to prevent them to score the basket.
Lakers already have good players if not the best but enough to win the title, the key is a good chemistry and supporting mindset to work with the king.

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Quote from: Viscore on May 11, 2020, 12:12:49 AM

I noticed that too, sometimes they explode, KCP and Bradley at the same time are both good 3 point shooters, but of course if they can get a consistent shooters, that would help the team a lot. This two should remain.

I'd still pick KCP rather than Danny Green. As said, their offense is already good with AD and LBJ, but they will need stops to gain the momentum.

Quote from: Viscore on May 11, 2020, 12:12:49 AM

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with that they will be unbeatable just like the super team warriors before.

I will have to disagree with this.
GSW is not a super team. That is hard work and the perfect implementation of every play.
If ever Lakers win this 2020 championship, will we also call them as a super team?
It ain't fair right?
I don't even recognize the names of Draymond, Thompson and Curry before.
I just did when suddenly they became champions. Grin

It ain't a super team but a team with the same goal. To be champions.

An example of a super team is this.
2004 Lakers team. Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton with Coach Phil on their back.
Yet, Pistons win. Grin

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 11, 2020, 12:40:11 AM

Yeah, they're not a hall of famer yet since most of them were still young. Look at how the Raptors are doing this season. They're still a championship caliber team even without their best player.
I ain't arguing about Leonard as a best player here, I know he is, I'm just giving out some points as to why he's underrated.

Well, TBH, I was surprise that the Raptors are doing well this season, all I can say that it's not the players, it's the coach because they have a good coach that help the their young players to show their full potential, but honestly, I don't think they will advance in the Finals this season.

Quote from: Oasisman on May 11, 2020, 12:40:11 AM

Definitely not an excuse, but it's part of the game.
You have to understand how Durant and Thompson is a very important piece of the organization.
And lastly, this isn't about Leonard's injury and the possibility to defeat the warriors when he was still with Spurs.

I just don't want to talk about that my team loss because they some of the players are injured because if I think like that, I would not give the respect to the winning team that they deserve.

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His teammates with the Raptors are not hall of famer, so he prove that he can win a championship without a superstar teammates.
Well, during his time with the Spurs, Manu, Duncan and parker are hall of famers but he lead the team because he won the Finals MVP that time, and he was still very young at that time, don't know if he is the youngest NBA player who won an NBA finals award.

Yeah, they're not a hall of famer yet since most of them were still young. Look at how the Raptors are doing this season. They're still a championship caliber team even without their best player.
I ain't arguing about Leonard as a best player here, I know he is, I'm just giving out some points as to why he's underrated.

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It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse, but it's part of the game.
You have to understand how Durant and Thompson is a very important piece of the organization.
And lastly, this isn't about Leonard's injury and the possibility to defeat the warriors when he was still with Spurs.

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Quote from: Reid on May 10, 2020, 10:03:01 PM

KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I noticed that too, sometimes they explode, KCP and Bradley at the same time are both good 3 point shooters, but of course if they can get a consistent shooters, that would help the team a lot. This two should remain.

Quote from: Reid on May 10, 2020, 10:03:01 PM

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.

They are the favorites to win the Championship this season, so people really seeing them already complete, but if they can improve, then why not get someone who can help for them to become a better team, with that they will be unbeatable just like the super team warriors before.

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Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

KCP and Avery Bradley are good defenders outside the paint so I think they are sufficient enough when Lebron is resting.
The paint is protected by big men like McGee, Howard and Davis. Those are already monsters.
Offense, there is Green and Kuzma.

I think they are already complete. Chemistry is what is lacking but because Lebron is focusing on being the playmaker they don't need much of it.
It became like the Magic Johnson team of the 80's. Big man as ball handler which can see the whole floor.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 10, 2020, 01:54:00 PM

Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

Whose that player we are going to see in exchanges for Kuzma, in terms of defense, well, you are right they have improve, Lebron and Davis alone are good defenders, and not only that, they have a big line up so they also control the rebound most of the team. I think they need someone who can consistently shoot from the 3 point range, what do you think?

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Kuzma was probably kept because he was the only player on that group that would probably both worth something in a trade for a role player and not a star, while also still being good. You couldn't change Ingram and Kuzma and still make the same trade, or change Ball and Kuzma and make the trade. Kuzma could snatch someone that could potentially help lakers a ton, specially on defensive end would be pretty important because that team has played better defense than anyone expected of them to ever play, their offense will be fine as long as they have LBJ and he would lead the offense properly anyways but defense is a lot more important and they will be one year older so they need fire power on defense to keep the fire going.

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I don't understand how you could say a player who was FMVP on two different teams on two different conferences could be not important part of the team. Definitely Toronto is still good after he left but they were a young team mostly that still had the talent, Cavs basically only have K.Love right now who is quite old, Lebron was taking them to finals but even Lebron can't do that if he goes back right now, which he kinda failed on his first Lakers season as well.

Kawhi beat the heatles to win championship, thats Lebron and Wade and Bosh on their best years, and then dude beat the Warriors who was seen as one of the best teams ever and has the bestest record on league history. So, Kawhi is quite great, top 3 without a doubt in my book with Lebron/Durant/Kawhi (would put curry right there with them as well).

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That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

Good point.
Although there will be teams that would like Kuzma.
Yeah, I might take him in exchange of a role player.
He is young and can still be forged to a better player. Even a star someday. He have the height and good shooting percentage. Just lacking in strength and experience.

Look at Clarkson, thrown into different teams but still growing. Hard work pays off.

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

I think Clarkson's contract will expire this year, and with the way he played with the Jazz, I think a lot of team will be going for him, one of them might be the Lakers as they really need a good 2nd unit and Clarkson can lead that 2nd unit and give some explosion while James and Davis are resting.

Yes, Clarkson's contract will end this year, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/Jordan-Clarkson-15398/

And I agree that he is really a perfect fit for the Jazz. Initially though, there were a lot of questions whether he can blend well for the Utah team. But we already see that he adjusted very well and the coach has given him time to play. So I think the Jazz will offer him a good deal after his contract expires.

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Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse.
They are the worst this year.
Injuries from splash brothers, then Green also went to an injury. Iggy finished his contract then Livingston retiring.
That's a lot.
An overhaul is needed and it became a team which I don't really recognize players. Grin

Leonard is something else.
He is being paid that high because he can do it all.
He can make plays, shoot threes, penetrate and also doing hardcore defense. Leaving Raptors might be a bad look for the crowd specially the Canadian fans but he just want to play at his hometown.
Luckily, Nick Nurse can adjust the plays even without Leonard which is cool.

He leaved because it is what he wants, there is a rumors before that one of his major fans offer him a free penthouse just to stay with the Toronto but he did not accept the offer and he chose to play in another team and that is why he is now in Clippers. Yes he is good that is why the Lakers are having a hard time to beat the Clippers because of what Leonard can do but the only problem is the not good relationship between Leonard and Paul George because it affects the overall strength,plays and power of the team.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 10, 2020, 05:38:29 AM

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Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse.
They are the worst this year.
Injuries from splash brothers, then Green also went to an injury. Iggy finished his contract then Livingston retiring.
That's a lot.
An overhaul is needed and it became a team which I don't really recognize players. Grin

Leonard is something else.
He is being paid that high because he can do it all.
He can make plays, shoot threes, penetrate and also doing hardcore defense. Leaving Raptors might be a bad look for the crowd specially the Canadian fans but he just want to play at his hometown.
Luckily, Nick Nurse can adjust the plays even without Leonard which is cool.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 10, 2020, 05:33:43 AM

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Despite's of Leonard success of bringing the team into championship and win the title, I can say that he is still an underrated player.
If people will be ask now who is their best player in the NBA, the names like Harden, Curry, James, and Westbrook will usually be the answer.

Maybe it's time for Leonard to prove again that he can win championship with his new team now.

What makes him underrated is the fact that when he won championship with the Spurs he had Duncan, Parker, and Manu. All of them were a hall of famer. Then, when he got in Toronto he won a championship again, not only because of him, It's because his teammates stepped up. Vanvleet, Siakam, and most of their teammates contributed to their success.

His teammates with the Raptors are not hall of famer, so he prove that he can win a championship without a superstar teammates.
Well, during his time with the Spurs, Manu, Duncan and parker are hall of famers but he lead the team because he won the Finals MVP that time, and he was still very young at that time, don't know if he is the youngest NBA player who won an NBA finals award.

Quote from: Oasisman on May 10, 2020, 05:33:43 AM

Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 10, 2020, 01:20:05 AM

Despite's of Leonard success of bringing the team into championship and win the title, I can say that he is still an underrated player.
If people will be ask now who is their best player in the NBA, the names like Harden, Curry, James, and Westbrook will usually be the answer.

Maybe it's time for Leonard to prove again that he can win championship with his new team now.

What makes him underrated is the fact that when he won championship with the Spurs he had Duncan, Parker, and Manu. All of them were a hall of famer. Then, when he got in Toronto he won a championship again, not only because of him, It's because his teammates stepped up. Vanvleet, Siakam, and most of their teammates contributed to their success. Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

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Quote from: Rosilito on May 10, 2020, 02:11:44 AM

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

Oh yeah! that happens and the media will try to make it look like a big deal. The drama. Grin

But before Kuzma will be kicked out there, I hope he will show some tenacity showcasing his skills.
That way, he could get better offer. Money is still important and that boosts a lot of confidence for young players if they know they are paid well. Grin

Quote from: Rikafip on May 10, 2020, 04:13:32 AM

Bogdanovic is in Utah now, Pacers let him go last year as they didn't offer him contract

It may be because they think Oladipo will be in great shape after coming back.
Or, are they just not really in the goal of a championship?

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Pacers hasn't been an exciting team anymore, the last time I remember they were really competing was during the time of PG, David West, Hibbert, George Hill, and Lance Stephenson.

That was good team indeed, that reached conference finals 2 times, and semifinals once, all those losses were against Miami, who were crazy good back then, with LeBron and Wade. Last few years they went out in the first round, and without Oladipo playing at previous level, this might happen this season as well.

If its Pacers, then it would be the Miller time or the East Finals team brawlers composed of Artest, Jackson, Jermaine. Grin

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 10, 2020, 03:17:34 AM

legendary NBA center Shaquille O'Neal says league leadership should cancel current nba season and prepare new nby season.
He believes that player safety is the most important.
Also, the disruption of the competition has disrupted everything and many players have fallen out of the competitive rhythm so the continuation of the competition could result in unexpected results.
Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/shaq-treba-otkazati-nba-sezonu-sto-ako-pobijedi-netko-tko-nije-trebao/2181759.aspx

With around 17-20 games remainig to finish the season, and for the playoffs to start may conclude over a couple of weeks/months. They can still have breaks after, till new season starts. So resetting it, would be a total waste of an effort for those teams, players and the entire organization on attaining their current spot. It ain't a problem to reset such season if the league haven't reach the half of total games a season has but this? Is kind of a thing that should not be approved, not even considering, IMO.

Talk about rhythm and so whatever it is. They can get it back with the remaining games plus an extensive practice but to lose their current record specially those in top list, and closest to clinching the playoffs is kind of a big deal.

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I think Clarkson's contract will expire this year, and with the way he played with the Jazz, I think a lot of team will be going for him, one of them might be the Lakers as they really need a good 2nd unit and Clarkson can lead that 2nd unit and give some explosion while James and Davis are resting.

He might be going nowhere except Jazz. He did better in his start though so I don't think Jazz with let that man go easily. Clarkson is kind of a player who's reliable off the bench. He is an asset, and with Conley playing rough a lot lately, he might switch off to Clarkson as a bench player, who knows he might get the spot for a starting line up. In addition, AFAIK, Clarkson is a candidate back then for NBA Sixth Man Of The Year.

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Quote from: Reid on May 08, 2020, 11:49:42 PM

I mean, they know they are strong in the defensive end but it needs to be balanced.
They want offense and Bogdanovic is the answer which caught a lot of attention.

Bogdanovic is in Utah now, Pacers let him go last year as they didn't offer him contract (rumour was that he would stay if Pacers matched offers from other teams, as he really liked the team) Probably they couldn't pay him and bring Brogdon, that was their priority, so Jazz got very good player for cheap price, and 18 million per year for 20 ppg (he had similar numbers in Pacers as well after Oladipo got injured)player is very good price in this inflated market. Salary cup might go down though, due all this corona mess.

Quote from: Japinat on May 09, 2020, 03:46:42 AM

If they'll be able to get Bogdanović that would be a great decision by the team, I think the Lakers are also interested with him, so let's see who will get him first, but the Lakers are already a good team so I hope Pacers will be able to improve if they can get Bogdanović.

I don't think that Pacers will go again for Bogdanovic, it wouldn't make sense to trade for him now since they let him go. First time i hear this Lakers - Bogdanovic thing, I had no idea that they are interested in him. Who would they give anyway as Jazz won't let him go easily, considering how good he is there.

Quote from: Japinat on May 09, 2020, 03:46:42 AM

Pacers hasn't been an exciting team anymore, the last time I remember they were really competing was during the time of PG, David West, Hibbert, George Hill, and Lance Stephenson.

That was good team indeed, that reached conference finals 2 times, and semifinals once, all those losses were against Miami, who were crazy good back then, with LeBron and Wade. Last few years they went out in the first round, and without Oladipo playing at previous level, this might happen this season as well.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 10, 2020, 03:17:34 AM

legendary NBA center Shaquille O'Neal says league leadership should cancel current nba season and prepare new nby season.
He believes that player safety is the most important.
Also, the disruption of the competition has disrupted everything and many players have fallen out of the competitive rhythm so the continuation of the competition could result in unexpected results.
Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/shaq-treba-otkazati-nba-sezonu-sto-ako-pobijedi-netko-tko-nije-trebao/2181759.aspx

Easier to said that actually, but in the part of the owner, they are now thinking to survive or to at least get their loses. If the Vaccine will not be produce for at least a year, then is it safe to assume that there's no NBA for a year? I mean, Shaquille O'Neal is already talking about the next season, how sure he is that the vaccine will be available by that time?

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