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Quote from: Finestream on February 11, 2020, 06:16:50 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on February 11, 2020, 06:02:59 AM

Clarkson is a great addition for Jazz as before him they had non-existent bench, but there is one big downside of him playing so good: I am not sure that Jazz will be able to resign him next season, he will cost a lot if he continues playing like this. Well downside for Jazz, Not Clarkson of course Grin

. This year he got 13.4 million USD, and his next contract might go over 20 million per year.

If they really want to keep him they can keep him by giving him a good contract.

here's the current payroll https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/UTA.html (not sure if its updated).

based on the payroll we are seeing that Mitchell and Clarkson are still not getting max contract but they will soon as conley will be free agent in 2021.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/mike-conley-2532/

Thank you for that valuable information, I can remember that Conley was one of the biggest contract the during the year he sign it.

this news was published last July 1, 2016 so his contract will expire next year of the same month and I don't think jazz would still sign him with a max contract knowing he is prone to injury and his contribution to the team has lowered down, they'll give that to the young and improving players like Clarkson and Mitchell.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 11, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Another win by the Jazz, once again Clarkson was still their best contributor on the offense side, he tallied 25 points playing 30 minutes... that was really efficient isn't it? After experiencing a long losing streak, they are bound for a new win streak now, and with this Clarkson is no doubt a great contender on the 6th man of the year.

Hope he will continue doing this type of game, its a good compliment if he will win the 6th man of the year. He's starting to make a new hypes for his name and continuing his career to prove his worth.
Back to back win for them and looking forward to continue a much better spot while the second round is approaching.

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Quote from: Rikafip on February 11, 2020, 06:02:59 AM

Clarkson is a great addition for Jazz as before him they had non-existent bench, but there is one big downside of him playing so good: I am not sure that Jazz will be able to resign him next season, he will cost a lot if he continues playing like this. Well downside for Jazz, Not Clarkson of course Grin

. This year he got 13.4 million USD, and his next contract might go over 20 million per year.

If they really want to keep him they can keep him by giving him a good contract.

here's the current payroll https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/UTA.html (not sure if its updated).

based on the payroll we are seeing that Mitchell and Clarkson are still not getting max contract but they will soon as conley will be free agent in 2021.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/mike-conley-2532/

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Quote from: Reid on February 11, 2020, 04:38:11 AM

I never looked at Jazz as a one man team. It had always been like that. This is just an upgrade since they are giving so much minutes even with the new entries of players. It's good. The players gain morale by doing so.

Yep, they are definitely not a one man team, and there is no real leader yet. Mitchell might be one day, but he is not that level yet. For example, in case of Gobert injury, this team goes down easily in first round of playoff.

Quote from: Reid on February 11, 2020, 04:38:11 AM

So they won against the Dallas team.
The heat of Clarkson is still there. When will he cool down? Grin

Bogdanovic also gained a lot of confidence from his winning shot making a 23 point game. Wow.

Clarkson is a great addition for Jazz as before him they had non-existent bench, but there is one big downside of him playing so good: I am not sure that Jazz will be able to resign him next season, he will cost a lot if he continues playing like this. Well downside for Jazz, Not Clarkson of course Grin

. This year he got 13.4 million USD, and his next contract might go over 20 million per year.

Regarding Bogdanovic, 23 pts for him against Dallas is not that special at all, this season he averages approximately 21 pts per game, this is just business as usual for him.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 11, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Another win by the Jazz, once again Clarkson was still their best contributor on the offense side, he tallied 25 points playing 30 minutes... that was really efficient isn't it? After experiencing a long losing streak, they are bound for a new win streak now, and with this Clarkson is no doubt a great contender on the 6th man of the year.

Clarkson really found a home in Jazz, although it is still Donovan Mitchell's team, but you can see that the management is really giving him time in the court again. So he feels comfortable, and as you can see in the Rockets win, we can see the old Jordan Clarkson, just like when he was still in the Lakers uniform.

Let's see if Jazz can continue their winning streak. They almost blew their lead, however, it was really a test on them and they passed with flying colours.

I agree with that, he was good when he was still in Lakers uniform but he was even better in this game.
The Lakers that he played before there was Kobe which we know he always demand the ball, right here in Jazz, they share the ball together and what we are seeing is that his teammates are trusting him with the ball, even their star player Mitchell does.

I never looked at Jazz as a one man team. It had always been like that. This is just an upgrade since they are giving so much minutes even with the new entries of players. It's good. The players gain morale by doing so.

So they won against the Dallas team.
The heat of Clarkson is still there. When will he cool down? Grin

Bogdanovic also gained a lot of confidence from his winning shot making a 23 point game. Wow.

Don't expect that he'll cool down anytime soon because as long as Clarkson are given an opportunity to shoot, he will always do.
Actually if you look at his stats with the Cavaliers, he also had a good shooting attempt, the only problem is sometimes the play does not fit on his style so he is less accurate.

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Quote from: freedomgo on February 11, 2020, 04:03:55 AM

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Quote from: Botnake on February 11, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Another win by the Jazz, once again Clarkson was still their best contributor on the offense side, he tallied 25 points playing 30 minutes... that was really efficient isn't it? After experiencing a long losing streak, they are bound for a new win streak now, and with this Clarkson is no doubt a great contender on the 6th man of the year.

Clarkson really found a home in Jazz, although it is still Donovan Mitchell's team, but you can see that the management is really giving him time in the court again. So he feels comfortable, and as you can see in the Rockets win, we can see the old Jordan Clarkson, just like when he was still in the Lakers uniform.

Let's see if Jazz can continue their winning streak. They almost blew their lead, however, it was really a test on them and they passed with flying colours.

I agree with that, he was good when he was still in Lakers uniform but he was even better in this game.
The Lakers that he played before there was Kobe which we know he always demand the ball, right here in Jazz, they share the ball together and what we are seeing is that his teammates are trusting him with the ball, even their star player Mitchell does.

I never looked at Jazz as a one man team. It had always been like that. This is just an upgrade since they are giving so much minutes even with the new entries of players. It's good. The players gain morale by doing so.

So they won against the Dallas team.
The heat of Clarkson is still there. When will he cool down? Grin

Bogdanovic also gained a lot of confidence from his winning shot making a 23 point game. Wow.

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Quote from: Jating on February 11, 2020, 03:21:55 AM

Quote from: Botnake on February 11, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Another win by the Jazz, once again Clarkson was still their best contributor on the offense side, he tallied 25 points playing 30 minutes... that was really efficient isn't it? After experiencing a long losing streak, they are bound for a new win streak now, and with this Clarkson is no doubt a great contender on the 6th man of the year.

Clarkson really found a home in Jazz, although it is still Donovan Mitchell's team, but you can see that the management is really giving him time in the court again. So he feels comfortable, and as you can see in the Rockets win, we can see the old Jordan Clarkson, just like when he was still in the Lakers uniform.

Let's see if Jazz can continue their winning streak. They almost blew their lead, however, it was really a test on them and they passed with flying colours.

I agree with that, he was good when he was still in Lakers uniform but he was even better in this game.
The Lakers that he played before there was Kobe which we know he always demand the ball, right here in Jazz, they share the ball together and what we are seeing is that his teammates are trusting him with the ball, even their star player Mitchell does.

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Quote from: Botnake on February 11, 2020, 02:19:06 AM

Another win by the Jazz, once again Clarkson was still their best contributor on the offense side, he tallied 25 points playing 30 minutes... that was really efficient isn't it? After experiencing a long losing streak, they are bound for a new win streak now, and with this Clarkson is no doubt a great contender on the 6th man of the year.

Clarkson really found a home in Jazz, although it is still Donovan Mitchell's team, but you can see that the management is really giving him time in the court again. So he feels comfortable, and as you can see in the Rockets win, we can see the old Jordan Clarkson, just like when he was still in the Lakers uniform.

Let's see if Jazz can continue their winning streak. They almost blew their lead, however, it was really a test on them and they passed with flying colours.

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Another win by the Jazz, once again Clarkson was still their best contributor on the offense side, he tallied 25 points playing 30 minutes... that was really efficient isn't it? After experiencing a long losing streak, they are bound for a new win streak now, and with this Clarkson is no doubt a great contender on the 6th man of the year.

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Quote from: Questat on February 10, 2020, 06:52:05 AM

In this game, the Rockets shoot 46% FG, and that's a good percentage, they just lost in the rebounding department where they out-rebounded by the Jazz by 12 rebounds. (Jazz total rebound 48, Rockets total rebounds 36).

Then I guess they need to shoot better than 46% because they will going to be easily out rebounded by any teams in the NBA right now.
Come playoffs it will never going to be easy for them to win a series. I dont know how they will going to acquire a piece that will fill the center position, or they will stick with playing small ball.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 10, 2020, 05:37:35 PM

Do people really think the absence of Capela is the reason why Rockets lose? They are only downed by 1 and almost a win if there's no buzzer-beater happened.

Considering how close the game was and how the trade that happened is still in the minds of fans, the "what if they still had Capela" argument is to be expected. Had Capela played, the result could have been different like the Rockets winning or getting blown out by the Jazz. But the truth is, those are just speculations.

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~ They didn't review the play because there was no call, and that'as very unfair for not listening to the players concern. I don't blame how Lillard was so upset and frustrated from the outcome of the game. I think those officiating refs needs re-evaluation, because that was a clear goaltending.

Yeah, it's unfortunate that it can't be reviewed because of that rule. Maybe another change needs to be made to address incidents like that.

For sure those refs have to be evaluated if they haven't been yet.

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Quote from: RealMalatesta on February 10, 2020, 10:20:35 AM

I still think even if they want to keep the starting five this way, they could simply just get one tall center for bench purposes, they can't trade for it now but they could get one from free agency if there is any left, just for a bench help.

They do have Tyson Chandler on the sidelines cheering.
But their coach just really want that fast paced game. He will not be stopped with his new gameplay for his new roster.
He is an offensive type of coach. I believe he doesn't rely much on defense.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 10, 2020, 05:37:35 PM

Do people really think the absence of Capela is the reason why Rockets lose?

Some people do, including me, lol... I don't know but they need to prove something more like beating good teams.

Yeah, I second the motion. Grin

They have been the talk at First Take and other basketball analysts shows.
One win against the Lakers cannot prove it yet. I want to see more with this Houston team. I like how they are doing it but maybe it needs a little bit more of a chemistry for it to be fruitful.

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Quote from: goinmerry on February 10, 2020, 05:37:35 PM

Do people really think the absence of Capela is the reason why Rockets lose?

Some people do, including me, lol... I don't know but they need to prove something more like beating good teams.

Quote from: goinmerry on February 10, 2020, 05:37:35 PM

They are only downed by 1 and almost a win if there's no buzzer-beater happened. Let's give credit to both teams. They are doing good. There is no reason why the other team won and lost. That buzzer-beater is also contested. No question about the defense.

That was really a close game, but what will be put in the minds of the people are just a win or a loss, in that game Rockets lose so they'll think that they really miss Capela, and with Capela they could have beat the Jazz EASY.

Quote from: goinmerry on February 10, 2020, 05:37:35 PM

And you guys forget that Houston Rockets won against the Utah Jazz just last Jan. 27 @ 126 - 117.

No Capela, No Harden, No Westbrook against the same Utah Jazz lineup that played last night but still they won.

But with harden and Westbrook the young guns won't have more opportunity to show their talent since it's been Harden and WB who are the focal point of their attack, we can check their minutes and their shot attempts, no room for the teammates to grow in offence.

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Do people really think the absence of Capela is the reason why Rockets lose? They are only downed by 1 and almost a win if there's no buzzer-beater happened. Let's give credit to both teams. They are doing good. There is no reason why the other team won and lost. That buzzer-beater is also contested. No question about the defense.

And you guys forget that Houston Rockets won against the Utah Jazz just last Jan. 27 @ 126 - 117.

No Capela, No Harden, No Westbrook against the same Utah Jazz lineup that played last night but still they won.

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Quote from: harizen on February 10, 2020, 02:48:06 PM

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And with or without Rudy Gay, Spurs are struggling.

But at least without Rudy Gay he could help the Spurs because he is the starting 5 IIRC.
Spurs rank at no. 10 right now, with 22-30 w/l record but the number 8 spot which is Memphis Grizzlies only has 26/26 record so it's not too far away.

Of course, he can help lol. And there is no connection from being a starting 5. Even bench can help. Everyone is contributing.

What I'm saying is general, Spurs are struggling even with an on-off night performance of Rudy Gay and honestly, even with a good average from Demar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge. That's how difficult the competition in the Western Conference. You can check their season stats by yourself.

And don't look at the difference of the 8th Spot with 26 wins and 10th spot with 22 wins. Look at those teams around them instead. That 4 wins gap is already a big deal when you are at the bottom of the Western Conference. That's not how it should be measured. It's not easy to climb 4 wins consecutively or within a few games when you are at the bottom. Other teams above are gathering wins too making it more difficult to climb.

Rudy Gay is still not playing right, and maybe that's the reason why the Spurs are struggling because they miss a peace of him.
It's the information I can found here : https://www.rotoworld.com/basketball/nba/player/29187/rudy-gay

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The Spurs are reportedly willing to move Rudy Gay for the right price.

When there is a player that is gonna be traded his interest in playing in a team will be different or let's see he is not playing inspired basketball.
Gay has been part of the Spurs success, so spurs needs to acquire a player that equals to his skills or better than him in a trade.

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Quote from: Sanitough on February 09, 2020, 05:52:58 PM

Quote from: harizen on February 09, 2020, 05:40:29 PM

And with or without Rudy Gay, Spurs are struggling.

But at least without Rudy Gay he could help the Spurs because he is the starting 5 IIRC.
Spurs rank at no. 10 right now, with 22-30 w/l record but the number 8 spot which is Memphis Grizzlies only has 26/26 record so it's not too far away.

Of course, he can help lol. And there is no connection from being a starting 5. Even bench can help. Everyone is contributing.

What I'm saying is general, Spurs are struggling even with an on-off night performance of Rudy Gay and honestly, even with a good average from Demar DeRozan and LaMarcus Aldridge. That's how difficult the competition in the Western Conference. You can check their season stats by yourself.

And don't look at the difference of the 8th Spot with 26 wins and 10th spot with 22 wins. Look at those teams around them instead. That 4 wins gap is already a big deal when you are at the bottom of the Western Conference. That's not how it should be measured. It's not easy to climb 4 wins consecutively or within a few games when you are at the bottom. Other teams above are gathering wins too making it more difficult to climb.

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He was seriously as guarded as possible. I mean look at PJ Tucker and Harden, they were literally on him when he was shooting, even moving him mid air when they collided but it went in so I guess it wasn't really a foul. The only minor thing was maybe PJ Tucker shouldn't have swiped near but just stand in front but it was still an amazing defense, he just scored without really caring about defense since he had to either shoot or lose so he shot without caring about defense.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on February 10, 2020, 10:55:42 AM

I agree that the biggest handicap of not having Capela is not rebounding but the shot blocking. Capela wasn't a terrific shot blocker like Gobert maybe but he was a presence inside to say the least, without him and only a 6'6 PJ Tucker inside, players were capable of going in and doing whatever the hell they wanted. Thats not really a good defensive scheme even if you are capable of rebounding the ball in case a miss. They still reached to a last second shot situation which is really all they could ask for really, they didn't had to beat by 20+, a 1 point win would be a win anyway. Plus they almost certainly guaranteed playoffs so I can sort of understand why they are not playing %100 anymore and just taking it slowly, during playoffs they will hopefully play better.

Yeah right, second round would be a different stories to every team inside the league. They all will do the best in order to get the semi-finals bet
and if it's possible to reached the conference finals and move to the world champion.
Rockets move trading their big men still a puzzle to every fans and viewers of this league.

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I agree that the biggest handicap of not having Capela is not rebounding but the shot blocking. Capela wasn't a terrific shot blocker like Gobert maybe but he was a presence inside to say the least, without him and only a 6'6 PJ Tucker inside, players were capable of going in and doing whatever the hell they wanted. Thats not really a good defensive scheme even if you are capable of rebounding the ball in case a miss. They still reached to a last second shot situation which is really all they could ask for really, they didn't had to beat by 20+, a 1 point win would be a win anyway. Plus they almost certainly guaranteed playoffs so I can sort of understand why they are not playing %100 anymore and just taking it slowly, during playoffs they will hopefully play better.

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Rockets didn't just lose to any team, I get that losing to Suns was a bit bad but they were lacking Westbrook there, now they lost to Jazz which is actually a good playoff team that may even pass the first round if they are lucky, so losing to jazz is not really a big deal. However, they were outrebounded was again, I understand that they are shorter than any team they face, however with harden and Westbrook being able to grab boards that well, I was assuming they would have high flyers going above the rim instead of tall guys waiting for a ball to reach them.

I still think even if they want to keep the starting five this way, they could simply just get one tall center for bench purposes, they can't trade for it now but they could get one from free agency if there is any left, just for a bench help.

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