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Quote from: goaldigger on October 12, 2022, 04:57:15 PM

That’s right, the performance for Bay Area for this conference will affect many, and if they are able to advance into the finals that could be the start of a big change. PBA is doing their best though to help this organization survive after all the lapses and issues they are facing before, we are a basketball nation and PBA should really ensure a good league the way it is before. Bay Area can just be a future guess again, and staying might not be the option for them.

Having a guest team like Bay Area Dragons is helpful for the improvement of our local team, especially teams in PBA. Since this team is really dominant over almost all teams in the PBA, it's a good challenge and test to compete against this kind of team.

Look at how things went so far. Since Bay Area Dragons are being hyped and known for their strong performance, that might be the reason why Ginebra becomes red hot when they faced this team recently because the big excitement is there. As mentioned above, Bay Area Dragons almost lose on NorthPort and we can see how productive Robert Bolick on that game because defeating this team will be a good recognition.

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Quote from: Shamm on October 11, 2022, 09:45:43 AM

Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2022, 12:32:54 AM

Without Myles Powell, this Dragon will easily be slayed by other team. The game against Ginebra wasn't fair IMO, I mean as a fan I'm not satisfied as I like to see if they can stop the Dragon with Myles Powell. It's a fair playing ground, otherwise, this guest team would not be accepted in the PBA.

Yes you are right that mate without myles Powell this team bay area dragons are not the strongest team it is easily beat by our local team as we all know that during the days when myles Powell is in Bay Area dragon the best teamwork is there and another thing is when myles handle the ball for sure the ball will be passed to the open teammates but now this team without him are easy to lose by our local team's.

I have to disagree with you both. Bay Area Dragons is still a tough team even without Powell. It's just that the Dragons now faced a considered one of the tough teams in the league compared to their early opponents (although NorthPort almost beat them).

And besides, why overhype with the Dragons even with Powell or not? Even prior to the start of the current conference, I never even treat them as an unbeatable team. I even said before that Ginebra might be the one to give the Dragons their first defeat although not considering it a big deal since this guest team is like just any other team in the league on the high-tier level.

At least based on how I looked at them.

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Quote from: goaldigger on October 12, 2022, 04:57:15 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 12, 2022, 04:40:46 PM

Well, we're a basketball nation and they can be dependent on that. The future might be different and the PBA management might try something new like allowing 2 guest teams. It was said before this conference and that's where you have probably read that information.
As we take a closer look, we still need to wait until the finals on how this guest team will affect all teams and the league itself. But if they find success on it, for sure that they won't be stopped to stay and have a closed contract.

That’s right, the performance for Bay Area for this conference will affect many, and if they are able to advance into the finals that could be the start of a big change. PBA is doing their best though to help this organization survive after all the lapses and issues they are facing before, we are a basketball nation and PBA should really ensure a good league the way it is before. Bay Area can just be a future guess again, and staying might not be the option for them.

It's been two years since they stated that and I think that they've recovered enough already and everybody starts to recover. And I'll just insert here about SBP. They're asking for 1.5B pesos from the government for hosting the Fiba world cup.
(https://www.spin.ph/basketball/fiba/sbp-seeks-p1-5b-from-government-for-fiba-world-cup-hosting-a795-20221010)
AFAIK, SBP is owned by MVP, is that right?

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Quote from: blockman on October 12, 2022, 04:40:46 PM

Well, we're a basketball nation and they can be dependent on that. The future might be different and the PBA management might try something new like allowing 2 guest teams. It was said before this conference and that's where you have probably read that information.
As we take a closer look, we still need to wait until the finals on how this guest team will affect all teams and the league itself. But if they find success on it, for sure that they won't be stopped to stay and have a closed contract.

That’s right, the performance for Bay Area for this conference will affect many, and if they are able to advance into the finals that could be the start of a big change. PBA is doing their best though to help this organization survive after all the lapses and issues they are facing before, we are a basketball nation and PBA should really ensure a good league the way it is before. Bay Area can just be a future guess again, and staying might not be the option for them.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 11, 2022, 03:05:46 PM

Quote from: blockman on October 11, 2022, 12:58:27 PM

You're point, if it's about the experience, there can be other better places to join instead of having their team into PBA. I think one factor that they can lean on is that PBA is the oldest league in Asia and that's why they're willing to spend as much as they can.
But from a business perspective, you're telling it correctly. If there's no way for them to profit and get some returns out of their expenses and capital for supporting the team and staying in the league then they're not willing to spend that much.

Indeed, the idea of staying just for the sake of playing the game is not justifiable in terms of money involvement, the fact that they will spend a lot of money during their stay without or only expecting a small amount of return that is something that the visiting team needs to take a closer look, though we don't know what might be the deal between them and PBA.

I'm not sure where I read some articles before in which it's not just one visiting team that might be possible to play inside PBA, we may see other visiting teams that will also participate from the oldest league in Asia.

Maybe it's just a preview of what would be the possibilities when visiting teams played with our locals and their imports.

Well, we're a basketball nation and they can be dependent on that. The future might be different and the PBA management might try something new like allowing 2 guest teams. It was said before this conference and that's where you have probably read that information.
As we take a closer look, we still need to wait until the finals on how this guest team will affect all teams and the league itself. But if they find success on it, for sure that they won't be stopped to stay and have a closed contract.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 12, 2022, 05:39:56 AM

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Maybe on 2nd or in their third game if he still cannot provide what many people expect to him then we can say that Powell is perfect player between these selection.

I expect big changes in their performance on their next game, they'll be up against SMB which also a good team, SMB is probably as good as the SMB, so it will be another big challenge for him, also, I'm thinking maybe bookies will still make them as a favorite due to the "bounce back" thing, well, I hope they'll play more competitive basketball, or just remove Nicholson if we still see the same result on their previous game.

Against the AFC champions, I think the Dragons have the better chance of winning because the system of coach Leo Austria is very much different than that run-and-gun game of Ginebra and one of the scorers of SMB will be guarded by that 7'5 giant which we all that if Fajardo is guarded by a player taller than him, he will have a problem. The only hope of the Beermen here is if Diamond will have another brilliant game, 50-point would help the cause hehe.

For sure the Dragons will be the favorite on this one but if the spread is low then I think I will go for them.

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Quote from: ultrloa on October 12, 2022, 05:22:22 AM

Bad days will always happen on a team and might that time the momentum is not on their hands so its early to tell that Nicholson is not very much effective to his team since he just newly installed on the line up. Maybe on 2nd or in their third game if he still cannot provide what many people expect to him then we can say that Powell is perfect player between these selection.

I agree with you, the first game might not the best thing to base his greatness he just arrive and the chemistries among them is not that established yet, and the locals or his teammates didn't perform well so again it's not good to bring all the burden in his shoulders, the only thing here is the team will be meeting another caliber squad in their next game, Nicholson will be tested here and if in case another loss he might be judge and the management might activate Powell instead of him in their next following games..

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Maybe on 2nd or in their third game if he still cannot provide what many people expect to him then we can say that Powell is perfect player between these selection.

I expect big changes in their performance on their next game, they'll be up against SMB which also a good team, SMB is probably as good as the SMB, so it will be another big challenge for him, also, I'm thinking maybe bookies will still make them as a favorite due to the "bounce back" thing, well, I hope they'll play more competitive basketball, or just remove Nicholson if we still see the same result on their previous game.

After that loss against Ginebra, maybe yes they will be getting a decent odd but the margin is not that far compared to how bookies gave them playing against the Gin kings, though it can be a good trap for bettors, we don't know what adjustments Bay Area will undergo after losing on their last game, we will expect another great game and hopefully just like how Ginebra give everything SMB will feel the pressure in protecting the pride of every Pinoy fans.

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Quote from: ultrloa on October 12, 2022, 05:22:22 AM

Maybe on 2nd or in their third game if he still cannot provide what many people expect to him then we can say that Powell is perfect player between these selection.

I expect big changes in their performance on their next game, they'll be up against SMB which also a good team, SMB is probably as good as the SMB, so it will be another big challenge for him, also, I'm thinking maybe bookies will still make them as a favorite due to the "bounce back" thing, well, I hope they'll play more competitive basketball, or just remove Nicholson if we still see the same result on their previous game.

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 11, 2022, 09:36:15 AM

There is a high chance that Powell will be chosen over Nicholson after the eighth game. He gives more value to the Bay Area than Nicholson. It is evident in his first game. But we will see since the game against Ginebra was Nicholson's first game, it might just be jitters which is why the team did not perform well. They will face a strong team again in their next match. If Nicholson can carry the Dragons past San Miguel, he may still have a chance to stay as their import.

Too early to judge if you will ask me.

We only saw one game where and I guess it's pretty obvious that the chemistry around the team is different if their import is different. Let's say who is the better import after 3 more games. Powell is their main point guard and there aren't any guard out there who can match or at least imitate what he can do. On the other hand, Nicholson is a scorer as well but at the same time, he is also a great defender with a long wingspan.

Overall, let's watch the next 3 games of Nicholson and then after that, we will see who the import Bay Area Dragons will be using for the remainder of the season and possible in the playoffs as well.

Based on what I saw in their previous game, they need a good ball facilitator and I will vote for Powell to say over Nicholson. I mean, they have bigs already, they have a giant which was very effective on their game against Ginebra, so why are they not giving him heavy minutes?

Bad days will always happen on a team and might that time the momentum is not on their hands so its early to tell that Nicholson is not very much effective to his team since he just newly installed on the line up. Maybe on 2nd or in their third game if he still cannot provide what many people expect to him then we can say that Powell is perfect player between these selection.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 11, 2022, 09:33:47 PM

Quote from: jakelyson on October 11, 2022, 09:36:15 AM

There is a high chance that Powell will be chosen over Nicholson after the eighth game. He gives more value to the Bay Area than Nicholson. It is evident in his first game. But we will see since the game against Ginebra was Nicholson's first game, it might just be jitters which is why the team did not perform well. They will face a strong team again in their next match. If Nicholson can carry the Dragons past San Miguel, he may still have a chance to stay as their import.

Too early to judge if you will ask me.

We only saw one game where and I guess it's pretty obvious that the chemistry around the team is different if their import is different. Let's say who is the better import after 3 more games. Powell is their main point guard and there aren't any guard out there who can match or at least imitate what he can do. On the other hand, Nicholson is a scorer as well but at the same time, he is also a great defender with a long wingspan.

Overall, let's watch the next 3 games of Nicholson and then after that, we will see who the import Bay Area Dragons will be using for the remainder of the season and possible in the playoffs as well.

Based on what I saw in their previous game, they need a good ball facilitator and I will vote for Powell to say over Nicholson. I mean, they have bigs already, they have a giant which was very effective on their game against Ginebra, so why are they not giving him heavy minutes?

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 11, 2022, 09:36:15 AM

There is a high chance that Powell will be chosen over Nicholson after the eighth game. He gives more value to the Bay Area than Nicholson. It is evident in his first game. But we will see since the game against Ginebra was Nicholson's first game, it might just be jitters which is why the team did not perform well. They will face a strong team again in their next match. If Nicholson can carry the Dragons past San Miguel, he may still have a chance to stay as their import.

Too early to judge if you will ask me.

We only saw one game where and I guess it's pretty obvious that the chemistry around the team is different if their import is different. Let's say who is the better import after 3 more games. Powell is their main point guard and there aren't any guard out there who can match or at least imitate what he can do. On the other hand, Nicholson is a scorer as well but at the same time, he is also a great defender with a long wingspan.

Overall, let's watch the next 3 games of Nicholson and then after that, we will see who the import Bay Area Dragons will be using for the remainder of the season and possible in the playoffs as well.

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 11, 2022, 09:36:15 AM

There is a high chance that Powell will be chosen over Nicholson after the eighth game. He gives more value to the Bay Area than Nicholson. It is evident in his first game. But we will see since the game against Ginebra was Nicholson's first game, it might just be jitters which is why the team did not perform well. They will face a strong team again in their next match. If Nicholson can carry the Dragons past San Miguel, he may still have a chance to stay as their import.

On point, Nicholson first game might not be that good but there’s still few games left for him to prove his worth and stay with Bay Area. SMB will be another tough team to deal with, Bay Area should already have a game plan for this to Maximize Nicholson and the rest of the team. This is just their first loss and that is expected in PBA, let’s see if Bay Area will stay composed.

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Quote from: blockman on October 11, 2022, 12:58:27 PM

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An offshore/guest team can handle the finances as they're known to have a stronger currency than us. They've got a budget and it's a lot for them to have its mainstay in the PBA for so long so, I'm sure that they can really do that.

It is still business though. Let's say for argument's sake that they can finance an extended period of stay here in the Philippines to play for PBA, do you think that the expense will justify the profit they can make from playing here? It is good for a single conference because the experience they get from playing here is invaluable. But for longer periods it is not justifiable anymore. They will be bleeding money with very little return. That is not good for business.

You're point, if it's about the experience, there can be other better places to join instead of having their team into PBA. I think one factor that they can lean on is that PBA is the oldest league in Asia and that's why they're willing to spend as much as they can.
But from a business perspective, you're telling it correctly. If there's no way for them to profit and get some returns out of their expenses and capital for supporting the team and staying in the league then they're not willing to spend that much.

Indeed, the idea of staying just for the sake of playing the game is not justifiable in terms of money involvement, the fact that they will spend a lot of money during their stay without or only expecting a small amount of return that is something that the visiting team needs to take a closer look, though we don't know what might be the deal between them and PBA.

I'm not sure where I read some articles before in which it's not just one visiting team that might be possible to play inside PBA, we may see other visiting teams that will also participate from the oldest league in Asia.

Maybe it's just a preview of what would be the possibilities when visiting teams played with our locals and their imports.

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Quote from: jakelyson on October 11, 2022, 09:36:15 AM

Quote from: blockman on October 10, 2022, 04:18:25 PM

An offshore/guest team can handle the finances as they're known to have a stronger currency than us. They've got a budget and it's a lot for them to have its mainstay in the PBA for so long so, I'm sure that they can really do that.

It is still business though. Let's say for argument's sake that they can finance an extended period of stay here in the Philippines to play for PBA, do you think that the expense will justify the profit they can make from playing here? It is good for a single conference because the experience they get from playing here is invaluable. But for longer periods it is not justifiable anymore. They will be bleeding money with very little return. That is not good for business.

You're point, if it's about the experience, there can be other better places to join instead of having their team into PBA. I think one factor that they can lean on is that PBA is the oldest league in Asia and that's why they're willing to spend as much as they can.
But from a business perspective, you're telling it correctly. If there's no way for them to profit and get some returns out of their expenses and capital for supporting the team and staying in the league then they're not willing to spend that much.

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Quote from: Questat on October 11, 2022, 12:32:54 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on October 10, 2022, 06:52:22 PM

I hope that the Dragons' defeat will now change the mindset of others that this team is unstoppable. Ginebra critics become silent when in pre-game, they are already throwing words to Ginebra that it's now another win for the Dragons.

The game is fairly done, with not many wrong calls and controversies. Good job Ginebra for shutting down those people who don't like the team.

Without Myles Powell, this Dragon will easily be slayed by other team. The game against Ginebra wasn't fair IMO, I mean as a fan I'm not satisfied as I like to see if they can stop the Dragon with Myles Powell. It's a fair playing ground, otherwise, this guest team would not be accepted in the PBA.

Yes you are right that mate without myles Powell this team bay area dragons are not the strongest team it is easily beat by our local team as we all know that during the days when myles Powell is in Bay Area dragon the best teamwork is there and another thing is when myles handle the ball for sure the ball will be passed to the open teammates but now this team without him are easy to lose by our local team's.

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it's said that they're staying in a luxury hotel. So, we can imagine the budget for this team if their lodging is in a luxury hotel and the contract that they have is very long.

Maybe not a whole year but a single conference for 10 years. Like they will be joining PBA every Commissioner's cup only. That is feasible. It is already expensive to maintain a local ball club, I guess, it will be triple the expense if you are housing your team in a luxury hotel. They also have to rent gyms for practices and the meals of the players. Imagine the expense they will incur if it will be for a whole year.

An offshore/guest team can handle the finances as they're known to have a stronger currency than us. They've got a budget and it's a lot for them to have its mainstay in the PBA for so long so, I'm sure that they can really do that.

It is still business though. Let's say for argument's sake that they can finance an extended period of stay here in the Philippines to play for PBA, do you think that the expense will justify the profit they can make from playing here? It is good for a single conference because the experience they get from playing here is invaluable. But for longer periods it is not justifiable anymore. They will be bleeding money with very little return. That is not good for business.

Quote from: Natalim on October 11, 2022, 05:02:14 AM

For those who are missing Myles Powell, don't worry, there's still a chance that he will be back if the current import of Bay Area Dragons will not perform as expected, here's the article for that.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/powell-sees-bay-areas-switch-to-nicholson-as-chance-for-other-guards-to-prove-worth/251767

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After utilizing the high-scoring guard in its first four games, the squad will now go with the 6-foot-10 center until its eighth match of the mid-season conference before choosing who to stick with for the rest of the campaign.

There is a high chance that Powell will be chosen over Nicholson after the eighth game. He gives more value to the Bay Area than Nicholson. It is evident in his first game. But we will see since the game against Ginebra was Nicholson's first game, it might just be jitters which is why the team did not perform well. They will face a strong team again in their next match. If Nicholson can carry the Dragons past San Miguel, he may still have a chance to stay as their import.

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Quote from: samcrypto on October 10, 2022, 05:52:01 PM

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Yes, a rumor and waiting for it to be officially announced if it's real but if not then at least we have heard it if it's actual or not.

We will see if this rumor is true or not once Bay Area team able to enter the Finals, but I'm sure PBA will always enter into a contract that will in favor the system and with this, we area welcome for this progress. Any rumor for other foreign team to participate in the next conference?
Anyway, Bay Area should focus more for their next game it will be another hard game for sure and they have to activate all their players this time or else they will taste another loss again.

Everyone is welcome for this progress so that the management won't just stick to the system that they used to have for years. Most fans are already not satisfied with every time the PBA goes on the finals because we know what will be the outcome of it.
And having Bay Area Dragons changed everything and is making most of the teams to be more competitive as ever. But I think that the farm teams will remain on their focus to be a farm team but we will see such changes that shall motivate each team and for the management to be better.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 11, 2022, 01:23:20 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on October 10, 2022, 06:52:22 PM

I hope that the Dragons' defeat will now change the mindset of others that this team is unstoppable. Ginebra critics become silent when in pre-game, they are already throwing words to Ginebra that it's now another win for the Dragons.

The game is fairly done, with not many wrong calls and controversies. Good job Ginebra for shutting down those people who don't like the team.

In an interview with the Dragons' Coach, he said that Coach Tim Cone is a very respectable coach, and that loss is also a learning to the team as well so...maybe expect a better Dragons in their next game. That game especially in the first half was a fast-paced game with many fastbreaks. I still think that the Dragons didn't expect how better the Ginebra was compared to their last 4 games, and they didn't have time to adjust thus, they lost.

Their next game will be the SMB who is in a 2-game winning streak, and they got a really good point guard as well in Stone. A team who is hungry for revenge after having their first loss versus a team who is in a winning streak.

SMB will be adding more pressure to the visiting team, though for sure they are now expecting heavy competitions against the last season champ. I would like to see the locals to perform well. Just like how the Gin kings did, locals are very important both defense and offense, though Brownlee lead Gin kings with offense, but the teamwork is the factor that will win the game.

Looking for more coming from both SMB and Bay Area, let see who'll going to win with the adjustments. For sure SMB watches the game between the Gin kings and the Dragon, so they are now preparing while with the visiting team. Adjustment is very important.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on October 11, 2022, 01:35:36 AM

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Quote from: agustina2 on October 10, 2022, 06:52:22 PM

I hope that the Dragons' defeat will now change the mindset of others that this team is unstoppable. Ginebra critics become silent when in pre-game, they are already throwing words to Ginebra that it's now another win for the Dragons.

The game is fairly done, with not many wrong calls and controversies. Good job Ginebra for shutting down those people who don't like the team.

In an interview with the Dragons' Coach, he said that Coach Tim Cone is a very respectable coach, and that loss is also a learning to the team as well so...maybe expect a better Dragons in their next game. That game especially in the first half was a fast-paced game with many fastbreaks. I still think that the Dragons didn't expect how better the Ginebra was compared to their last 4 games, and they didn't have time to adjust thus, they lost.

Their next game will be the SMB who is in a 2-game winning streak, and they got a really good point guard as well in Stone. A team who is hungry for revenge after having their first loss versus a team who is in a winning streak.

The Dragon did not get a good production from their import unlike what Myles Powell did in the past few games. That was a big factor that resulted to a loss, if they will not make an adjustment, most likely SMB will still dominate then like what Ginebra did to them, so we should not be surprise if that will happen again.

For those who are missing Myles Powell, don't worry, there's still a chance that he will be back if the current import of Bay Area Dragons will not perform as expected, here's the article for that.

https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/powell-sees-bay-areas-switch-to-nicholson-as-chance-for-other-guards-to-prove-worth/251767

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After utilizing the high-scoring guard in its first four games, the squad will now go with the 6-foot-10 center until its eighth match of the mid-season conference before choosing who to stick with for the rest of the campaign.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on October 11, 2022, 01:23:20 AM

Quote from: agustina2 on October 10, 2022, 06:52:22 PM

I hope that the Dragons' defeat will now change the mindset of others that this team is unstoppable. Ginebra critics become silent when in pre-game, they are already throwing words to Ginebra that it's now another win for the Dragons.

The game is fairly done, with not many wrong calls and controversies. Good job Ginebra for shutting down those people who don't like the team.

In an interview with the Dragons' Coach, he said that Coach Tim Cone is a very respectable coach, and that loss is also a learning to the team as well so...maybe expect a better Dragons in their next game. That game especially in the first half was a fast-paced game with many fastbreaks. I still think that the Dragons didn't expect how better the Ginebra was compared to their last 4 games, and they didn't have time to adjust thus, they lost.

Their next game will be the SMB who is in a 2-game winning streak, and they got a really good point guard as well in Stone. A team who is hungry for revenge after having their first loss versus a team who is in a winning streak.

The Dragon did not get a good production from their import unlike what Myles Powell did in the past few games. That was a big factor that resulted to a loss, if they will not make an adjustment, most likely SMB will still dominate then like what Ginebra did to them, so we should not be surprise if that will happen again.

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