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Quote from: Yamifoud on October 01, 2022, 08:03:36 AM

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PBA, where amazing rigging happens . Grin

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Another day another 6min no score 0:17 run after controlling the game for 18min.

Lol, basketball is a game of runs and momentums, we should know that, and that 0:17 run happens almost in every league around the world not just in the PBA. I'm not convinced that PBA is rigged as there are no solid proofs of this accusation, all they have are hearsays.

47 to 51 is the score at the moment in favor of the guest team Bay Area Dragons, I think this will be close until the end so I'm going to take this option of Phoenix Fuel Masters +14.5 @1.8 now.

They do happen in every league, but in PBA they happen in almost every game, thats the difference.

PBA is where amazing happens, you should not be surprised, and you should not complain.. hehe.. just accept the fact that basketball is a game of run, and manipulation could happen anytime. As a bettor, our purpose is just to win our bet, so be smart in choosing which team will win.

No longer surprise, mostly if the bet lost gamblers needs to find reason and the most common one is manipulation, I also one of those who believes that manipulation is still ongoing the sad thing is we can't prove them or if ever that there's some noise about it, nothing will happen or it will just be forgotten, better to move and try your luck when betting with the next games.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 01, 2022, 08:43:34 AM

I guess Magnolia will win this game. Stockton made a bad move with a poor foul on Paul Lee although there's still enough time left, and with that, it resulted in a two-possession ball game, it could have been an interesting game, but converge is not a clutch team, too bad.

They won the game, 105-109 was the score.

Converge import is good, but without good support from the locals, he cannot win for the team.
He scored 38 points but most of the locals are struggling in the game, unlike the Magnolia who has big contributions from the locals, so the import is not carrying a heavy burden.

Here are the locals who contributed big to this win.

Jalalon 15 pts
Barroca 19 pts
Lee 20 pts
Sanggalang 10 pts
Abueva 10 pts.

Solid productions from the entire core of Mags, adding to that is also a good support game from their import, though he didn't make that huge productions like Converge import but 21 points and 24 rebs and 3 blocks seem decent,.

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Quote from: Sanitough on October 01, 2022, 08:43:34 AM

I guess Magnolia will win this game. Stockton made a bad move with a poor foul on Paul Lee although there's still enough time left, and with that, it resulted in a two-possession ball game, it could have been an interesting game, but converge is not a clutch team, too bad.

They won the game, 105-109 was the score.

Converge import is good, but without good support from the locals, he cannot win for the team.
He scored 38 points but most of the locals are struggling in the game, unlike the Magnolia who has big contributions from the locals, so the import is not carrying a heavy burden.

Here are the locals who contributed big to this win.

Jalalon 15 pts
Barroca 19 pts
Lee 20 pts
Sanggalang 10 pts
Abueva 10 pts.

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I guess Magnolia will win this game. Stockton made a bad move with a poor foul on Paul Lee although there's still enough time left, and with that, it resulted in a two-possession ball game, it could have been an interesting game, but converge is not a clutch team, too bad.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on October 01, 2022, 05:01:47 AM

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PBA, where amazing rigging happens . Grin

~snip~
Another day another 6min no score 0:17 run after controlling the game for 18min.

Lol, basketball is a game of runs and momentums, we should know that, and that 0:17 run happens almost in every league around the world not just in the PBA. I'm not convinced that PBA is rigged as there are no solid proofs of this accusation, all they have are hearsays.

47 to 51 is the score at the moment in favor of the guest team Bay Area Dragons, I think this will be close until the end so I'm going to take this option of Phoenix Fuel Masters +14.5 @1.8 now.

They do happen in every league, but in PBA they happen in almost every game, thats the difference.

PBA is where amazing happens, you should not be surprised, and you should not complain.. hehe.. just accept the fact that basketball is a game of run, and manipulation could happen anytime. As a bettor, our purpose is just to win our bet, so be smart in choosing which team will win.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

PBA, where amazing rigging happens . Grin

~snip~
Another day another 6min no score 0:17 run after controlling the game for 18min.

Lol, basketball is a game of runs and momentums, we should know that, and that 0:17 run happens almost in every league around the world not just in the PBA. I'm not convinced that PBA is rigged as there are no solid proofs of this accusation, all they have are hearsays.

47 to 51 is the score at the moment in favor of the guest team Bay Area Dragons, I think this will be close until the end so I'm going to take this option of Phoenix Fuel Masters +14.5 @1.8 now.

edit:

The final score is 101-91, the Dragons won the game but I also won my bet. That was not an easy one though because at one time the Dragons lead by 18 points which I think will balloon to 20+ points but fortunately, it didn't.

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Northport is really making noise. Robert Bolick is on fire. If only their import is dominant, I can tell that Northport can beat Bay Area Dragons for their rematch.

But anyways, no rematch as the elimination is a single round-robin. I hope to see them meeting at the post-eliminations.

Just wait until Northport's import Prince Ibeh will be ripe and I see this team might be one of the competitors of SMC and MVP teams in the playoffs.

Correct me but when Ibeh played in the same teams years ago, he got injured thus, NorthPort get another import in exchange of him.
Last night against the Meralco, Ibeh got injured again just after his dunk in the 4th quarter and in the Overtime. If Bollick isn't playing like that last night, they surely lost the game because the Bolts are up double digits in the 2nd half, but him and his teammates came back, made a run and got the victory in Overtime.

I guess Ibeh lacked in conditioning coming into this game but let's see how he will play in their next games. He is very dominating inside TBH. Getting rebounds and he also got 5 or 6 blocks IIRC. The only downside to him that I see is he isn't an offensive minded import unlike most of the imports that are coming to the PBA where they are offensive first player.

Most of the bigs are not offensive, they mostly focus on their strength which is the rebounding and the defense and for Ibeh, I think he is doing a great job providing good defense to the team as we cannot deny this team is surrounded with great offensive local players.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 30, 2022, 07:38:27 AM

Northport is really making noise. Robert Bolick is on fire. If only their import is dominant, I can tell that Northport can beat Bay Area Dragons for their rematch.

But anyways, no rematch as the elimination is a single round-robin. I hope to see them meeting at the post-eliminations.

Just wait until Northport's import Prince Ibeh will be ripe and I see this team might be one of the competitors of SMC and MVP teams in the playoffs.

Correct me but when Ibeh played in the same teams years ago, he got injured thus, NorthPort get another import in exchange of him.
Last night against the Meralco, Ibeh got injured again just after his dunk in the 4th quarter and in the Overtime. If Bollick isn't playing like that last night, they surely lost the game because the Bolts are up double digits in the 2nd half, but him and his teammates came back, made a run and got the victory in Overtime.

I guess Ibeh lacked in conditioning coming into this game but let's see how he will play in their next games. He is very dominating inside TBH. Getting rebounds and he also got 5 or 6 blocks IIRC. The only downside to him that I see is he isn't an offensive minded import unlike most of the imports that are coming to the PBA where they are offensive first player.

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Well, that type of criticism is everywhere and in other countries, when they see the Pinoys out there. They're making fun of us, it's no longer a secret that there are more racists than our kababayans that have never changed. Although, this norm is changing and the good thing about it when someone has proven his worth and he's playing better than the rest, he'll get the respect of the others. Well, it's sad that there's a need to prove himself but that's how it goes I guess.

Wow i got excited after reading post here and started to search with this guy, first impression might be the factor in judging people and we are not exempted with that, we pinoys also have that kind of mentalities, not generalizing but we do have that kind of impressions, moving on, the import of Magnolia is a NBA undrafted a 6'11 white serbian at his age of 24 the guy still on his prime.

I can say that his debut impresses the crowd scoring and rebounding wise. He really helps lift the team.

Will see if competing with the sister companies he will continue to have that same dominance, still early though.

Well, fans that have seen and impressed by him will now have an expectation towards him. We know that first impression lasts and that's why for the next matches of Magnolia.
If, he didn't perform well, you'll see the bashing again and instead of criticism, they'll make fun again of the guy. People, fans and almost everyone have that thinking when it's come to disappointments.
We rather see those than what we're expecting and hoping for the best to a person like that guy.

Yes, there are lots of different opinions and impression about Magnolia's import. He gains interest during his debut, but if he will not perform well in their next game for sure, there is criticism that will come up. He needs to continue doing his best and be competitive whoever they are playing against with. Remember that there are competitive teams who have deeper line up. He should be consistent with how he showcase his skills.

Big expectation now from him, the fans who love this will start following him. One thing to notice Abueva is not playing yet, looking on the positive side. If both he and Ian will play and support this import, they are really having a slot in chasing the finals.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 30, 2022, 08:41:40 AM

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What a game by Robert Bolick, scoring a new career high of 44 points and leading NorthPort to a come from behind win.

Personally i thought that it was money in the bag for the boys of coach Norman Black as they lead all the way and they still lead by 8 points in the last 3 minutes and NorthPort's import was having a cramps but Berto rises to the occasion, scoring at will and brought the game into overtime.

I just wonder what was the odds when the Bolts was up by 11 points early in the fourth quarter.

We missed that opportunity, it was Meralco who is controlling the game but Bollick is really clutch, he is a real definition of a superstar, I'm just afraid that he might not stay longer with the North port as for sure SMB management are already aiming to acquire him.

Yeah, Bolick was clutch in that game and not afraid to take shot even if it was in a not good position to do so and as i observed, seems that he was hogging the ball too much that Arwind Santos almost lost his patience lol. Anyway, a win is a win and it's a good thing that Robert Bolick led them with that convincing passion.

I would not be surprised if one day he will be donning a SMC uniform because he is in the radar of boss Alfrancis Chua for a long time now and who needs a legit point guard in the SMC teams, i think it is Ginebra if LA retires so most likely Berto will be going there hehe.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 29, 2022, 10:26:39 AM

Quote from: blockman on September 29, 2022, 09:30:51 AM

Well, that type of criticism is everywhere and in other countries, when they see the Pinoys out there. They're making fun of us, it's no longer a secret that there are more racists than our kababayans that have never changed. Although, this norm is changing and the good thing about it when someone has proven his worth and he's playing better than the rest, he'll get the respect of the others. Well, it's sad that there's a need to prove himself but that's how it goes I guess.

Wow i got excited after reading post here and started to search with this guy, first impression might be the factor in judging people and we are not exempted with that, we pinoys also have that kind of mentalities, not generalizing but we do have that kind of impressions, moving on, the import of Magnolia is a NBA undrafted a 6'11 white serbian at his age of 24 the guy still on his prime.

I can say that his debut impresses the crowd scoring and rebounding wise. He really helps lift the team.

Will see if competing with the sister companies he will continue to have that same dominance, still early though.

Well, fans that have seen and impressed by him will now have an expectation towards him. We know that first impression lasts and that's why for the next matches of Magnolia.
If, he didn't perform well, you'll see the bashing again and instead of criticism, they'll make fun again of the guy. People, fans and almost everyone have that thinking when it's come to disappointments.
We rather see those than what we're expecting and hoping for the best to a person like that guy.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 30, 2022, 08:41:40 AM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 30, 2022, 07:17:36 AM

What a game by Robert Bolick, scoring a new career high of 44 points and leading NorthPort to a come from behind win.

Personally i thought that it was money in the bag for the boys of coach Norman Black as they lead all the way and they still lead by 8 points in the last 3 minutes and NorthPort's import was having a cramps but Berto rises to the occasion, scoring at will and brought the game into overtime.

I just wonder what was the odds when the Bolts was up by 11 points early in the fourth quarter.

We missed that opportunity, it was Meralco who is controlling the game but Bollick is really clutch, he is a real definition of a superstar, I'm just afraid that he might not stay longer with the North port as for sure SMB management are already aiming to acquire him.

Too early to talk about the trade with Bolick but there’s no doubt about his skills and talent, such an extra ordinary player where he is willing to go all out for the team, what more if their import will become more active and contribute as well. There’s a huge chance for Northporth to be on a better place this tome. Let’s see if they can sustain this momentum towards the rest of the season.

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Quote from: goinmerry on September 30, 2022, 09:16:06 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on September 30, 2022, 09:11:08 AM

I think Meralco's import is unreliable. In OT, when the import of Northport is out because of cramps, he did not take advantage of his height inside the paint. No one should be able to stop him there, but he keeps on missing his shots and not even getting the rebound.

Not just the import but I have noticed that Meralco's overall performance during the second half is not that good. After they limit NorthPort's offense in the 2nd quarter by only 9 points, they didn't able to repeat that in the second half and NP takes advantage of it. Crucial game, looks like Meralco is more pressured.

And in overtime, Meralco seems not aggressive at every play, unlike NP where we can see that their energy is still on the highest level after the end of the regulations. Robert Bolick is really hot even others say that he is ball hogging. A win is a win though.

It's okay if there are some who calling him a ball-hog but being the main man if the team, he has the license to take those shots. I also believe that he really takes matter on his own hands whenever the team needed him. Though what is good for this team now is they've got additional scorers who can really play well along with him. Players like Tolentino, Santos, Sumang and the rest of the team are showing more competitive. Like what you just said, a win is a win and whatever happens today will be another good memory for this team.

They just needed to continue chasing for more wins, and who knows? They might be in the next round or higher.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 30, 2022, 09:11:08 AM

I think Meralco's import is unreliable. In OT, when the import of Northport is out because of cramps, he did not take advantage of his height inside the paint. No one should be able to stop him there, but he keeps on missing his shots and not even getting the rebound.

Not just the import but I have noticed that Meralco's overall performance during the second half is not that good. After they limit NorthPort's offense in the 2nd quarter by only 9 points, they didn't able to repeat that in the second half and NP takes advantage of it. Crucial game, looks like Meralco is more pressured.

And in overtime, Meralco seems not aggressive at every play, unlike NP where we can see that their energy is still on the highest level after the end of the regulations. Robert Bolick is really hot even others say that he is ball hogging. A win is a win though.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 30, 2022, 07:17:36 AM

What a game by Robert Bolick, scoring a new career high of 44 points and leading NorthPort to a come from behind win.

Personally i thought that it was money in the bag for the boys of coach Norman Black as they lead all the way and they still lead by 8 points in the last 3 minutes and NorthPort's import was having a cramps but Berto rises to the occasion, scoring at will and brought the game into overtime.

I just wonder what was the odds when the Bolts was up by 11 points early in the fourth quarter.

Yes Robert bolick achieve his new career high with a 44 points which is pretty good for him. As we saw their match against meralco they north port manage their lead in the first quarter but in the 2nd and 3rd quarter meralco control the game, but when the forth and final quarter Robert bolick did not give up try his best to carry his team and result into a over time and when OT has come Robert bolick did not stop and that's the reason why he achieve his career high.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 30, 2022, 07:17:36 AM

What a game by Robert Bolick, scoring a new career high of 44 points and leading NorthPort to a come from behind win.

Personally i thought that it was money in the bag for the boys of coach Norman Black as they lead all the way and they still lead by 8 points in the last 3 minutes and NorthPort's import was having a cramps but Berto rises to the occasion, scoring at will and brought the game into overtime.

I just wonder what was the odds when the Bolts was up by 11 points early in the fourth quarter.

Bolick refused to give up even when he was suffering cramps in the dying minutes of the fourth quarter. He was even able to put in crucial baskets and the trust of the coach to not rest him even when he has cramps.

I think Meralco's import is unreliable. In OT, when the import of Northport is out because of cramps, he did not take advantage of his height inside the paint. No one should be able to stop him there, but he keeps on missing his shots and not even getting the rebound.

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But unfortunately they got all bashing from their supposed to be fans and people are losing interest to watch every game. We can feel it actually by their attendees also they are not gaining any sympathy towards the action they do because we all know that what's happening there is pure politics and only those big companies are benefiting while the independent ones are suffering. If they cannot change their system maybe for sure we can see the full collapsed of PBA and fans is starting to move on since there is MPBL which is I think the fans favorite at the moment since it represent the city not the company as what I read in the comments in social media.

Let's not let it happen that leads to the collapse of the PBA, it has been popular in the field of basketball here in our country for decades. I really hope that the system going on in the PBA will be fixed early, because sometimes the high-ranking ones get involved in money-for-money.

the quality of each team's game if I compare it back in the 90's is very different from today.

It's not us, it's them, they need to find a way to make this PBA great again. With the numbers of basketball league in the Philippines, I doubt they will stay as king forever if they will not change their old system, no team or team owners should dictate a certain league, and IMO that's what happened with the PBA.

I'm sure they are already alarmed with what is happening, slowly the star players of the PBA are getting recruited outside, so if they will not act, they will be short of star players that would make the league exciting and that would help to represent the country in international games.

Their actions are preventing the players from going abroad to play, that's soo greedy and it does not send a good message to our basketball superstars. Preventing them to grow is a sign of dictatorship, no way they'll listen to that.

Quote from: agustina2 on September 30, 2022, 07:38:27 AM

Northport is really making noise. Robert Bolick is on fire. If only their import is dominant, I can tell that Northport can beat Bay Area Dragons for their rematch.

But anyways, no rematch as the elimination is a single round-robin. I hope to see them meeting at the post-eliminations.

Just wait until Northport's import Prince Ibeh will be ripe and I see this team might be one of the competitors of SMC and MVP teams in the playoffs.

I'm happy that Bollick is healthy again, he missed plenty of games in the past but he come back strong playing like a real MVP contender.

The quality of Bollick as a player could fit on the demand in the B Leauge, hopefully he will not leave like what Matthew Wright did.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 30, 2022, 07:17:36 AM

What a game by Robert Bolick, scoring a new career high of 44 points and leading NorthPort to a come from behind win.

Personally i thought that it was money in the bag for the boys of coach Norman Black as they lead all the way and they still lead by 8 points in the last 3 minutes and NorthPort's import was having a cramps but Berto rises to the occasion, scoring at will and brought the game into overtime.

I just wonder what was the odds when the Bolts was up by 11 points early in the fourth quarter.

We missed that opportunity, it was Meralco who is controlling the game but Bollick is really clutch, he is a real definition of a superstar, I'm just afraid that he might not stay longer with the North port as for sure SMB management are already aiming to acquire him.

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Northport is really making noise. Robert Bolick is on fire. If only their import is dominant, I can tell that Northport can beat Bay Area Dragons for their rematch.

But anyways, no rematch as the elimination is a single round-robin. I hope to see them meeting at the post-eliminations.

Just wait until Northport's import Prince Ibeh will be ripe and I see this team might be one of the competitors of SMC and MVP teams in the playoffs.

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What a game by Robert Bolick, scoring a new career high of 44 points and leading NorthPort to a come from behind win.

Personally i thought that it was money in the bag for the boys of coach Norman Black as they lead all the way and they still lead by 8 points in the last 3 minutes and NorthPort's import was having a cramps but Berto rises to the occasion, scoring at will and brought the game into overtime.

I just wonder what was the odds when the Bolts was up by 11 points early in the fourth quarter.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 30, 2022, 06:34:55 AM

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I'm sure they are already alarmed with what is happening, slowly the star players of the PBA are getting recruited outside, so if they will not act, they will be short of star players that would make the league exciting and that would help to represent the country in international games.

They are alarmed but they lack action to solve the problem they are facing. They are complaining that their players are being poached by other leagues, but they still continue the biased trading and favoring SMC or MVP teams.

Maybe they are not really afraid because PBA is still the most famous league in our country, and they do not have real competition yet. Maybe, when viewership of other leagues get stronger, then they will act on this problem. But by then, it might be too late for PBA.

What they are doing is the recipe for disaster, it's very obvious that these big team owners are controlling the league but the commissioner is not doing anything to stop it, why? because the commissioner is probably just a puppet of the big team owners.

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