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Quote from: harizen on September 26, 2022, 06:31:01 PM

Aside from that award-related issues regarding guest teams, there are speculations that PBA intentionally modified the schedule of the Bay Area Dragons to face first those teams that are not on the top tier. In that way, top-tier teams like SMB, Ginebra, or TNT can scout first the skills and talents of this guest team to fully prepare once they will now faced-off against the Dragons.

What's your take on that speculation guys? It does make sense or not?

Well, it might be true, or it might be not because if you will look at the schedule of the Dragons, their first 4 games really are against those independent teams.

It's their league so they can do what they want to do because after all, we have a puppet commissioner. A puppet to these 2 big companies so he will follow what these 2 companies will say just to have advantage over the other team.

It will make sense for these top tier teams but for me as a watcher, it doesn't make any sense. I mean they can prepare but the other team can still prepare to them as well because for sure, they watched some of their games and know how to adjust to their playstyle. The thing is that Powell who is dominating the league offensively will not play against these 2 big companies, and this might the chemistry of the Dragons because he will only play in the first 4 games and that is against those independent teams.

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Aside from that award-related issues regarding guest teams, there are speculations that PBA intentionally modified the schedule of the Bay Area Dragons to face first those teams that are not on the top tier. In that way, top-tier teams like SMB, Ginebra, or TNT can scout first the skills and talents of this guest team to fully prepare once they will now faced-off against the Dragons.

What's your take on that speculation guys? It does make sense or not?

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 26, 2022, 05:43:50 PM

I made a light reading on this and found out that historically, guest teams are not considered for individual awards. So this is not the first time it happened and already a norm in PBA.

I guess the Bay Area Dragons are aware of this before they committed in joining the conference as guest team. It should be in their contract. I just felt sad for players like Powell who is giving it all and performing absolutely the best because they will not be recognised even if the Dragons won the championship.

PBA should look at this and listen to the reactions of the fans about this. I think most of the fans would like to honor the competitiveness of individual players whether they are in a guest team or not.

They can revise that rule if it's already in history. But this would really discourage the other potential guest teams that are throwing their hats for the next conference. That's not simple to these players and for sure the management of these guest teams could be aware of it but that can be a factor that many would just go away and ignore if they're invited soon.
Most fans now are open minded and we're not bias if the management and the league is honest. But, we all know that the league is becoming a joke anymore and it's sad to see that whenever I go in the comments section of pages related to PBA, most comments are making fun of the league and its officials.

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I made a light reading on this and found out that historically, guest teams are not considered for individual awards. So this is not the first time it happened and already a norm in PBA.

I guess the Bay Area Dragons are aware of this before they committed in joining the conference as guest team. It should be in their contract. I just felt sad for players like Powell who is giving it all and performing absolutely the best because they will not be recognised even if the Dragons won the championship.

PBA should look at this and listen to the reactions of the fans about this. I think most of the fans would like to honor the competitiveness of individual players whether they are in a guest team or not.

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Quote from: crzy on September 26, 2022, 04:56:10 PM

Quote from: blockman on September 26, 2022, 04:52:27 PM

I've seen now another shitty rule from the PBA that a guest team is only eligible to be awarded for the championship.
But the players, are not eligible for any individual awards. Well, what's with this rule from them. Aren't they going to recognize how good Powell is or if Liu is going to be part of it?
They really are out of this world, they're already expecting Dragons to be champs and they're stopping the awards that the players of it could be eligible for. Okay, Kume is even already talking about the next conference even this conference has just started.

This is not a good way to invite foreign team and yet we will not recognize how good they are, well this might be on their contract which I still is out of our control. Though in PVL last conference they awarded the guest team with an individual award probably to give respect and thanks for their exceptional talent. PBA should review this one if they want to get more foreign teams in the future, this is a competition and the guess team should also be rewarded for what they deserve.

The team will be recognized as they'll be getting the championship title if they win that. But not recognizing those individual talents, this is really something crazy that these commissioners are thinking.
They're part of the league, even they're just a guest, they should be recognized for their talent. If an MVP is from the guest team, why they're not going to give it to him? What's something hard on that? Because of pride? That because of the teams are being exposed that they've become a farm team? Come on, Kume, they can do something better or else, other local leagues like MPBL, Filbasket and the others will cover those negligence they do.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 26, 2022, 05:13:32 PM

Quote from: crzy on September 26, 2022, 04:56:10 PM

Quote from: blockman on September 26, 2022, 04:52:27 PM

I've seen now another shitty rule from the PBA that a guest team is only eligible to be awarded for the championship.
But the players, are not eligible for any individual awards. Well, what's with this rule from them. Aren't they going to recognize how good Powell is or if Liu is going to be part of it?
They really are out of this world, they're already expecting Dragons to be champs and they're stopping the awards that the players of it could be eligible for. Okay, Kume is even already talking about the next conference even this conference has just started.

This is not a good way to invite foreign team and yet we will not recognize how good they are, well this might be on their contract which I still is out of our control. Though in PVL last conference they awarded the guest team with an individual award probably to give respect and thanks for their exceptional talent. PBA should review this one if they want to get more foreign teams in the future, this is a competition and the guess team should also be rewarded for what they deserve.

I don't get it too! they are playing for the whole conference so they should be rewarded/awarded to the effort that they've done, it will be a big challenge to our locals to perform well as the individual awards can be taken by the visiting team, I don't know why PBA dictate that only the team award can be taken but not the individual, maybe it's better for the league facilitators especially the commissioner to review this rules and be appreciative with how the foreign team dedicate their time to join the league.

It looks like PBA is not acknowledging the talent of those individual players who are showing great sportsmanship right not. PBA is a real mess here, even on other countries they appreciate foreign teams for being here, I wonder why PBA is not doing it. Dragon Bay Area should continue to play well and prove that they are good, this is not an individual game though but still there is something wrong with the rules and the system.

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Quote from: crzy on September 26, 2022, 04:56:10 PM

Quote from: blockman on September 26, 2022, 04:52:27 PM

I've seen now another shitty rule from the PBA that a guest team is only eligible to be awarded for the championship.
But the players, are not eligible for any individual awards. Well, what's with this rule from them. Aren't they going to recognize how good Powell is or if Liu is going to be part of it?
They really are out of this world, they're already expecting Dragons to be champs and they're stopping the awards that the players of it could be eligible for. Okay, Kume is even already talking about the next conference even this conference has just started.

This is not a good way to invite foreign team and yet we will not recognize how good they are, well this might be on their contract which I still is out of our control. Though in PVL last conference they awarded the guest team with an individual award probably to give respect and thanks for their exceptional talent. PBA should review this one if they want to get more foreign teams in the future, this is a competition and the guess team should also be rewarded for what they deserve.

I don't get it too! they are playing for the whole conference so they should be rewarded/awarded to the effort that they've done, it will be a big challenge to our locals to perform well as the individual awards can be taken by the visiting team, I don't know why PBA dictate that only the team award can be taken but not the individual, maybe it's better for the league facilitators especially the commissioner to review this rules and be appreciative with how the foreign team dedicate their time to join the league.

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Quote from: blockman on September 26, 2022, 04:52:27 PM

I've seen now another shitty rule from the PBA that a guest team is only eligible to be awarded for the championship.
But the players, are not eligible for any individual awards. Well, what's with this rule from them. Aren't they going to recognize how good Powell is or if Liu is going to be part of it?
They really are out of this world, they're already expecting Dragons to be champs and they're stopping the awards that the players of it could be eligible for. Okay, Kume is even already talking about the next conference even this conference has just started.

This is not a good way to invite foreign team and yet we will not recognize how good they are, well this might be on their contract which I still is out of our control. Though in PVL last conference they awarded the guest team with an individual award probably to give respect and thanks for their exceptional talent. PBA should review this one if they want to get more foreign teams in the future, this is a competition and the guess team should also be rewarded for what they deserve.

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I've seen now another shitty rule from the PBA that a guest team is only eligible to be awarded for the championship.
But the players, are not eligible for any individual awards. Well, what's with this rule from them. Aren't they going to recognize how good Powell is or if Liu is going to be part of it?
They really are out of this world, they're already expecting Dragons to be champs and they're stopping the awards that the players of it could be eligible for. Okay, Kume is even already talking about the next conference even this conference has just started.

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Quote from: Natalim on September 26, 2022, 06:36:29 AM

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On the other hand, it looks like Tolentino going to the NorthPort is really a good move because he and Bollick are the top scorers of team right now. If he will continue, Tolentino will be the one who help Bollick offensively and after a few years, SMC and MVP will try to get him "again". Ooops!! Tongue

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I think this team is not a farm team but they cannot just match the offer of big teams.

Well, they need to play harder, they have a good line up now, good import, and a good coach that has a play that would allow everyone to play. Tolentino is just a talented player, but since he is now with the Northport, he now has more opportunities to help his team win.

Unfortunately they are since they just wait for the player to ripe before they can harvest those young stars. Also I will not get surprised if Bollick will be out on North Porth and go to either on SMC or MVP group because this is what mostly happen to their stars recently. If PBA management will change their current structure maybe they can get back the interest of their fans since if they continue to make this actions and will not care the fans sentiment then provably the interest might shift to other league and for sure this will be the start of their fall down.

Lots of superstars from this team before that was taken by SMB, some good example are.

1- Cabagnot
2- Romeo
3- Pringle.

They also won a championship already on their respective teams after North port, so you are right, we should not be surprise to see Bollick out in this team and will be playing in the best team in the PBA, either SMB or Ginebra, I guess.

If I recall it right, Romeo was traded to TNT first before moving to SMB, I was in the impression that after Alapag retired Romeo will be a good replacement since TNT was known to a dribble and drive system and Romeo is really fit to that gameplay, but when the time Romeo already catching up and making his resume for the TNT, it was a surprise trade between TNT and SMB not sure what happen behind but it was a lucky trade for Romeo because after that he won a title plus a final's MVP.

Moving back to that topic, do you read the latest post of Slaughter? Not sure if I get it right, but he's mentioning that NP is not a winning team, not directly as controlled by another big name aside from the owner and coaches. There are some behind influence.

I don't know since Gregg is really upset with how NP work with his career, not giving him his expected contract.

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Quote from: arwin100 on September 26, 2022, 06:29:49 AM

Quote from: Yamifoud on September 26, 2022, 03:35:57 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 26, 2022, 02:01:26 AM

On the other hand, it looks like Tolentino going to the NorthPort is really a good move because he and Bollick are the top scorers of team right now. If he will continue, Tolentino will be the one who help Bollick offensively and after a few years, SMC and MVP will try to get him "again". Ooops!! Tongue

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I think this team is not a farm team but they cannot just match the offer of big teams.

Well, they need to play harder, they have a good line up now, good import, and a good coach that has a play that would allow everyone to play. Tolentino is just a talented player, but since he is now with the Northport, he now has more opportunities to help his team win.

Unfortunately they are since they just wait for the player to ripe before they can harvest those young stars. Also I will not get surprised if Bollick will be out on North Porth and go to either on SMC or MVP group because this is what mostly happen to their stars recently. If PBA management will change their current structure maybe they can get back the interest of their fans since if they continue to make this actions and will not care the fans sentiment then provably the interest might shift to other league and for sure this will be the start of their fall down.

Lots of superstars from this team before that was taken by SMB, some good example are.

1- Cabagnot
2- Romeo
3- Pringle.

They also won a championship already on their respective teams after North port, so you are right, we should not be surprise to see Bollick out in this team and will be playing in the best team in the PBA, either SMB or Ginebra, I guess.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 26, 2022, 03:35:57 AM

Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 26, 2022, 02:01:26 AM

On the other hand, it looks like Tolentino going to the NorthPort is really a good move because he and Bollick are the top scorers of team right now. If he will continue, Tolentino will be the one who help Bollick offensively and after a few years, SMC and MVP will try to get him "again". Ooops!! Tongue

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I think this team is not a farm team but they cannot just match the offer of big teams.

Well, they need to play harder, they have a good line up now, good import, and a good coach that has a play that would allow everyone to play. Tolentino is just a talented player, but since he is now with the Northport, he now has more opportunities to help his team win.

Unfortunately they are since they just wait for the player to ripe before they can harvest those young stars. Also I will not get surprised if Bollick will be out on North Porth and go to either on SMC or MVP group because this is what mostly happen to their stars recently. If PBA management will change their current structure maybe they can get back the interest of their fans since if they continue to make this actions and will not care the fans sentiment then provably the interest might shift to other league and for sure this will be the start of their fall down.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 25, 2022, 06:59:23 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 25, 2022, 01:12:09 AM

Aside from SMB and TNT, Gin kings is also one of the favorite during an import conference, Brownlee vs Powell. I love to see how Brownless will take this as a personal challenge.

For sure our local teams won't allow the dominance of Bay Area Dragons at this conference.

SMB, TNT, and Gin Kings might be pumped up now and really eager to face this big team as much as possible.

It's a disgrace if big local teams like SMC teams and MVP teams will be defeated easily by Bay Area Dragons where mid-team Northport almost beat them.

Hoping that pride still inside our local teams and not just for the sake of money or business, After seeing that game against NP it really exploit that the visiting team is not as dominance as we think they are, facing a heavyweight squad which composed of talents they will really have a problem with our locals.

Mentioning also the chemistries that already been established after that all-pilipino season, SMB is no longer a Fajardo centered team.
Perez and Cruz are attacking with the ball while Tau and Manuel are there to battle for the rebound and receive the extra past.

While the original members of the death 5 still towering over the entire team, the role players are also helping they are really playing as one.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 26, 2022, 02:01:26 AM

On the other hand, it looks like Tolentino going to the NorthPort is really a good move because he and Bollick are the top scorers of team right now. If he will continue, Tolentino will be the one who help Bollick offensively and after a few years, SMC and MVP will try to get him "again". Ooops!! Tongue

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I think this team is not a farm team but they cannot just match the offer of big teams.

Well, they need to play harder, they have a good line up now, good import, and a good coach that has a play that would allow everyone to play. Tolentino is just a talented player, but since he is now with the Northport, he now has more opportunities to help his team win.

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Quote from: harizen on September 24, 2022, 06:46:17 PM

Northport is supposed to be on the big news now if they were able to upset the heavy favorites Bay Area Dragons. That was almost a win!

Pre-game betting, NorthPort has a @10 odds to win the game. Aside from that, a tempting handicap was given to them that generalizes how long the distance is between them and the Dragons.

Bay Area Dragons will meet the other 2 teams first before facing an SMC team. I'm waiting for it.

If only the shot of Myles Powell didn't went in, people will see NorthPort differently after that game. I think that this game boosted the morale of other teams and they believe that if NorthPort can then so they are.
I remember the post here where the odds are heavily favoring Dragons to the point that the odds of both teams is 1.01 for the Dragons and around 12 for the NorthPort.

They just showed that the Dragons are still beatable and they really is even though they have a star-studded looking team. Unfortunately, Powell will only play the first 4 games and that 4 games are against those independent teams and Andrew Nicholson will play the rest of the games. I really want to see Powell playing against SMC and MVP teams but it looks like not it will happen.

On the other hand, it looks like Tolentino going to the NorthPort is really a good move because he and Bollick are the top scorers of team right now. If he will continue, Tolentino will be the one who help Bollick offensively and after a few years, SMC and MVP will try to get him "again". Ooops!! Tongue

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 25, 2022, 06:59:23 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 25, 2022, 01:12:09 AM

Aside from SMB and TNT, Gin kings is also one of the favorite during an import conference, Brownlee vs Powell. I love to see how Brownless will take this as a personal challenge.

For sure our local teams won't allow the dominance of Bay Area Dragons at this conference.

SMB, TNT, and Gin Kings might be pumped up now and really eager to face this big team as much as possible.

It's a disgrace if big local teams like SMC teams and MVP teams will be defeated easily by Bay Area Dragons where mid-team Northport almost beat them.

We will see how the big teams will play against the guest team.

By the way, when Ginebra and San Miguel will play against the Bay Area Dragons, the Dragons will have a new import. They will employ Andrew Nicholson as their import and Powell will be seating out. They will have different dynamics because Powell plays point while Nicholson is center. I wonder if they will be stronger or weaker now that their import is a center. Powell is doing an incredible job as a point guard. The Dragons are not lacking in height, and they already have a good center in Liu Chuanxing and Duncan Reid.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 25, 2022, 01:12:09 AM

Aside from SMB and TNT, Gin kings is also one of the favorite during an import conference, Brownlee vs Powell. I love to see how Brownless will take this as a personal challenge.

For sure our local teams won't allow the dominance of Bay Area Dragons at this conference.

SMB, TNT, and Gin Kings might be pumped up now and really eager to face this big team as much as possible.

It's a disgrace if big local teams like SMC teams and MVP teams will be defeated easily by Bay Area Dragons where mid-team Northport almost beat them.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 25, 2022, 01:39:59 AM

The sad news is, we may not see that good as an odd as the Northport had against the Bay Area Dragons. Since they almost got the W, bookies now know that the Dragons are not what we think they are. They can be beaten. San Miguel, Ginebra, and TNT may have even lower odds against them since they are way stronger than Northport.

Agree with you there. However, if Bay Area Dragons instead have an easy win against Northport last night, I doubt most bettors will bet against them in Moneyline no matter how tempting the odds is. Only a few will still take the courage to place a bet on the underdog team and no matter how big the handicap is against this guest team.

But for let's say the Dragons got an easy win against Northport, I'm sure that if against SMC teams, especially Ginebra and SMB, the highest ML odds I'm seeing for these teams will be around @2.1 - @2.3. No way bookies will consider SMC teams as a heavy underdog against the Dragons.

Well then, let's wait for the odds once the Dragons are now up against SMC teams.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 25, 2022, 03:49:20 AM

So, no game today because of the super typhoon that will hit Luzon this evening so be careful everyone, this is a strong typhoon and its destruction might be massive like what happened to us when we were hit by Oddeth.

To those that are in the central Luzon where the center of the typhoon is, be careful guys. Going back to PBA talks, Kume said that they're very open of having a guest team again next season. Look at how this guy talks, the conference has just started and now looks forward to the next season.
He said that teams are learning but, the main people that are learning here are them, the commissioners. They should really add more teams to fill those talents that are in different other leagues.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 25, 2022, 03:49:20 AM

So, no game today because of the super typhoon that will hit Luzon this evening so be careful everyone, this is a strong typhoon and its destruction might be massive like what happened to us when we were hit by Oddeth.

Yes, they announced that games today are postponed.

https://pba.ph/news/pba-postpones-sunday-s-double-header-pba-3x3-leg-3

So see you on Wednesday, I'm sure there will be no more postponements at that time.
As for SMB vs Bay Dragons, I think it's gonna be a great match up, but I still think that SMB will be the underdog, so I'm gonna take chances betting on SMB.

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