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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

Competition? It isn't applicable in PBA anymore for the last 5-6 years or even more.
Look at the teams right now. It's only MVP and SMC that are battling for years. Look at the standings and you will see that the top 6 teams is composed of MVP and SMC. Do you think that competition still exists in the PBA? Hell no for a long time already.

Kinda disrespectful to see the odds yes but they based on how they dominated the Bossing, I think the Dragons will really get that odds. The guest team really is strong and there is no doubt on that just by looking on how the team dominated those PBA teams in their scrimmages.

As for competition, I don't see competition anymore in the PBA. I watched the games in the last 2 game days and you will see that the number of audiences watching is very few to the point that you might count them. It's because the competitiveness of the league is long gone already. You will not see any independent teams dominating the league but only MVP and SMC teams and because of this, there are some PBA fans that might opt to watch other leagues like MPBL because the competitiveness on that league is higher than the PBA therefore, it is more entertaining to watch.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 24, 2022, 03:19:56 AM

Quote from: jakelyson on September 24, 2022, 12:45:49 AM

Quote from: Japinat on September 23, 2022, 10:40:56 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

That's probably because of their dominant performance in their first game, but Blackwater is a bad team, you can't expect that they'll win. I guess it's worth risking on the Moneyline as Northport is a decent team. Take that ML and the over.

it is +23.5 on handicap for Northport @ 1.9. Seems like a decent odd for me. I just do not want to risk it yet. I will watch more games of Bay Area Dragon before I start betting against them.

So the spread has increased? Hmmm... I think I see where the public is going here, they seemed so confident that Bay Area Dragon will again have a very dominant win. Well, with their size and quickness, it could happen, but maybe Northport will get lucky here, I think I would not wait, I'll take the +.

Looks like we won't be having a lopsided win tonight by the Bay Dragons, end of first quarter and the NorthPort Batang Pier is leading by 6 points, very different with that game versus Blackwater wherein the Dragons led by 15 points at the end of the first canto.

Though its only the beginning of the game but your bet has a higher chance of winning now mate, congrats hehe.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 24, 2022, 12:45:49 AM

Quote from: Japinat on September 23, 2022, 10:40:56 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

That's probably because of their dominant performance in their first game, but Blackwater is a bad team, you can't expect that they'll win. I guess it's worth risking on the Moneyline as Northport is a decent team. Take that ML and the over.

it is +23.5 on handicap for Northport @ 1.9. Seems like a decent odd for me. I just do not want to risk it yet. I will watch more games of Bay Area Dragon before I start betting against them.

So the spread has increased? Hmmm... I think I see where the public is going here, they seemed so confident that Bay Area Dragon will again have a very dominant win. Well, with their size and quickness, it could happen, but maybe Northport will get lucky here, I think I would not wait, I'll take the +.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

We can't blame the bookies for this kind of odds as the Bay Dragons have set a record in the PBA for the biggest winning margin of 46 points against Blackwater Bossing. In the brighter side, we can ride with the Dragons to win against Northport and expect them to cover the spread as they have Powell, a top caliber import. We are not just used to seeing this kind of spread against local teams and yes, this is some kind of a disrespect to the PBA team and a wake-up call also because if we don't improved our brand of play we will be left behind by a mile.

So you are with the Bay Dragons? I think I'm gonna follow your instinct as this team is just so good compared to the PBA teams. However, I'm expecting that Northport will play harder although I must say that Bay Dragons will easily cover this.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

We can't blame the bookies for this kind of odds as the Bay Dragons have set a record in the PBA for the biggest winning margin of 46 points against Blackwater Bossing. In the brighter side, we can ride with the Dragons to win against Northport and expect them to cover the spread as they have Powell, a top caliber import. We are not just used to seeing this kind of spread against local teams and yes, this is some kind of a disrespect to the PBA team and a wake-up call also because if we don't improved our brand of play we will be left behind by a mile.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 23, 2022, 10:40:56 PM

Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

That's probably because of their dominant performance in their first game, but Blackwater is a bad team, you can't expect that they'll win. I guess it's worth risking on the Moneyline as Northport is a decent team. Take that ML and the over.

it is +23.5 on handicap for Northport @ 1.9. Seems like a decent odd for me. I just do not want to risk it yet. I will watch more games of Bay Area Dragon before I start betting against them.

Quote from: Baofeng on September 23, 2022, 06:02:34 PM

It will be a big disgrace for basketball fans to see the PBA disbanded, it's our pride that this is the first league in Asia. So it will be a shame that because the commissioner has failed to do everything in his power to keep it. But I think league owners will not let this thing happen.

The commissioner is not even doing anything. They are letting the big teams destroy the competitiveness in the league by allowing bias trades and farming smaller teams.

Quote from: Baofeng on September 23, 2022, 06:02:34 PM

I remember that there were also a rival league in the early 2000's (I forgot what's it called then), it try to challenge the PBA but it didn't have enough backing up from the fans.

Is it the Metropolitan Basketball Association (MBA)? It is the only league that I know that is a rival to PBA. It has the same format of MPBL which the is composed of regional teams. Sadly, it succumbs to high expense in running regional teams. Hopefully, this will not happen to MPBL.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 22, 2022, 09:08:58 AM

Judging at the picture below, you can tell that this guess team is a big problem.

source: https://www.facebook.com/PhilippineSTAR/photos/a.134754620011561/2859592494194413/

Can June Mar Fajardo even stop him?

What's the name of the Center, and his height?

Is he a huge player of the Bay area dragon center, his position? It must be very difficult for the blackwater there in the giant center of the Bay Area Dragon, the guard didn't even reach his shoulder hahaha, just because of the height, in defense, maybe even more so if the center of the Bay Area Dragon is still shooting and, probably this giant one might be 7-8 footer.

Maybe if Fajardo was still guarding there, no matter how difficult the center of the Bay Area Dragons would be, the guard should be someone like Dennis Rodman.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 09:38:19 PM

Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

That's probably because of their dominant performance in their first game, but Blackwater is a bad team, you can't expect that they'll win. I guess it's worth risking on the Moneyline as Northport is a decent team. Take that ML and the over.

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Can you believe this?

If it's SMB vs Northport, I'm pretty sure the spread will not be that high, so what will this spread imply?
I mean, are we seeing this guess team as the NBA team playing against a PBA team? This is so disrespectful, there's no more competition here. Sad

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 23, 2022, 06:02:34 PM

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 23, 2022, 04:23:06 PM

Have you guys noticed that there's almost no crowd watching live games in the PBA now? Too bad since its rival MPBL is jam-packed every game as i noticed, if this will continue i think the PBA will be disbanded.

Isn't it normal that nobody watches the elimination games of PBA? It is only jam-packed during playoffs and when Ginebra is playing. That is why they are heavily favored by the commissioners because they pull the crowd.

I have not watched MPBL and how much they pull the crowd but if what you are saying is true, then MPBL can be the future of basketball in the Philippines. Lately, the complaints against how PBA is being run are getting more and more and louder and louder.

It will be a big disgrace for basketball fans to see the PBA disbanded, it's our pride that this is the first league in Asia. So it will be a shame that because the commissioner has failed to do everything in his power to keep it. But I think league owners will not let this thing happen.

I remember that there were also a rival league in the early 2000's (I forgot what's it called then), it try to challenge the PBA but it didn't have enough backing up from the fans.

I like MPBL because there's not much politics yet. But believed me, if they will reach the same status as PBA, more politics will be seen here.

Aside from that, MPBL is almost free to watch and even those people who are just walking to buy "toyo and suka" from a sari-sari store can pass by to watch and go out anytime and then come back watching. Cheesy

If not free, the ringside price is just around Php 120 at most. In other words, people are just watching here as how they watch a "Brgy. Liga". That's why there are more people watching here live.

I hope MPBL will not turn into PBA soon. It's good to see as it is.

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Quote from: Questat on September 22, 2022, 06:21:34 AM

I'm unaware, so this Bay Area Dragon is a new team?

They are like a superteam and I see in the schedules that they have games as well on other teams, I think even the SMB will have a hard time winning against Bay Area Dragon.

They are not a superteam. They are just a local team in their country, same with the status of the likes of Ginebra, SMB, and TNT here in our country.

It's just that they are gifted with height and that's their advantage.

SMC teams can surely compete with them. Don't take them as a super heavy team that is unbeatable.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 23, 2022, 05:45:54 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 23, 2022, 04:23:06 PM

Have you guys noticed that there's almost no crowd watching live games in the PBA now? Too bad since its rival MPBL is jam-packed every game as i noticed, if this will continue i think the PBA will be disbanded.

Isn't it normal that nobody watches the elimination games of PBA? It is only jam-packed during playoffs and when Ginebra is playing. That is why they are heavily favored by the commissioners because they pull the crowd.

I have not watched MPBL and how much they pull the crowd but if what you are saying is true, then MPBL can be the future of basketball in the Philippines. Lately, the complaints against how PBA is being run are getting more and more and louder and louder.

It will be a big disgrace for basketball fans to see the PBA disbanded, it's our pride that this is the first league in Asia. So it will be a shame that because the commissioner has failed to do everything in his power to keep it. But I think league owners will not let this thing happen.

I remember that there were also a rival league in the early 2000's (I forgot what's it called then), it try to challenge the PBA but it didn't have enough backing up from the fans.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 23, 2022, 05:45:54 PM

Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2022, 05:23:00 PM

Local teams have to deal with it and I’m sure Dragons are well prepared for this. They are big but of course can still lose by other teams. That might be a huge challenge for Northport so better for them to be ready as well. It’s exciting to see foreign teams executing their best plays, I hope that local teams will learn from it and take this opportunity to be better. Let’s see who will be the first team to beat Bay Area.

At this point, most games against the Bay Area Dragon will be used for scouting and making plays to beat them. Luckily, their early matches will be against weaker teams. The big teams can watch how they play and come out with a plan to beat them. Let's see how they will play against the stronger teams in PBA.

This is the true test for them, though having a huge gap and dominating games against blackwater is something that the top teams should look for.
Bay Area should not take easily for the local teams, Northport should not let this team win with a huge gap again. I'm confident that our local top teams can beat Bay Area, this conference becomes more exciting for having such a good foreign team. Let's see if Bay Area are going to change their plays or will still use the same strategy.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 23, 2022, 04:23:06 PM

Have you guys noticed that there's almost no crowd watching live games in the PBA now? Too bad since its rival MPBL is jam-packed every game as i noticed, if this will continue i think the PBA will be disbanded.

Isn't it normal that nobody watches the elimination games of PBA? It is only jam-packed during playoffs and when Ginebra is playing. That is why they are heavily favored by the commissioners because they pull the crowd.

I have not watched MPBL and how much they pull the crowd but if what you are saying is true, then MPBL can be the future of basketball in the Philippines. Lately, the complaints against how PBA is being run are getting more and more and louder and louder.

Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2022, 05:23:00 PM

Local teams have to deal with it and I’m sure Dragons are well prepared for this. They are big but of course can still lose by other teams. That might be a huge challenge for Northport so better for them to be ready as well. It’s exciting to see foreign teams executing their best plays, I hope that local teams will learn from it and take this opportunity to be better. Let’s see who will be the first team to beat Bay Area.

At this point, most games against the Bay Area Dragon will be used for scouting and making plays to beat them. Luckily, their early matches will be against weaker teams. The big teams can watch how they play and come out with a plan to beat them. Let's see how they will play against the stronger teams in PBA.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 23, 2022, 05:23:00 PM

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 23, 2022, 05:15:05 AM

It will be hard to control that giant alone since no one in PBA can match him. It will be a team effort to take him on.

It is anticipated by Dragons that the next teams will double team Liu but, there will be one that's going to be free, and that for sure is a shooter. These teams should look at how most of them are shooters and if they're going to focus on Liu, there will be an opening for those players that are ignored.
It's really hard to think of how to beat Dragons and next is with Northport later, let's see on how they're going to at least stop them although many expects that it's a win already for the Dragons.

Local teams have to deal with it and I’m sure Dragons are well prepared for this. They are big but of course can still lose by other teams. That might be a huge challenge for Northport so better for them to be ready as well. It’s exciting to see foreign teams executing their best plays, I hope that local teams will learn from it and take this opportunity to be better. Let’s see who will be the first team to beat Bay Area.

Yes, they're all well prepared but I don't know about the others. They have some practice games too but it's entirely different from what the Bay Area Dragons have done and planned for.
It's a sure thing that most local teams will learn from this and will start to upgrade their play style, they just can't stay to that PBA style forever. And I'm also sure that the PBA management is starting to learn from this.

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Quote from: blockman on September 23, 2022, 05:04:51 PM

Quote from: jakelyson on September 23, 2022, 05:15:05 AM

It will be hard to control that giant alone since no one in PBA can match him. It will be a team effort to take him on.

It is anticipated by Dragons that the next teams will double team Liu but, there will be one that's going to be free, and that for sure is a shooter. These teams should look at how most of them are shooters and if they're going to focus on Liu, there will be an opening for those players that are ignored.
It's really hard to think of how to beat Dragons and next is with Northport later, let's see on how they're going to at least stop them although many expects that it's a win already for the Dragons.

Local teams have to deal with it and I’m sure Dragons are well prepared for this. They are big but of course can still lose by other teams. That might be a huge challenge for Northport so better for them to be ready as well. It’s exciting to see foreign teams executing their best plays, I hope that local teams will learn from it and take this opportunity to be better. Let’s see who will be the first team to beat Bay Area.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 23, 2022, 05:15:05 AM

It will be hard to control that giant alone since no one in PBA can match him. It will be a team effort to take him on.

It is anticipated by Dragons that the next teams will double team Liu but, there will be one that's going to be free, and that for sure is a shooter. These teams should look at how most of them are shooters and if they're going to focus on Liu, there will be an opening for those players that are ignored.
It's really hard to think of how to beat Dragons and next is with Northport later, let's see on how they're going to at least stop them although many expects that it's a win already for the Dragons.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 07:38:35 AM

Coach Yeng debut as a new head coach of ROS has been ruined by his previous team.

IIRC, NLEX were +8.5 underdog, but it turns out they are the better team in this game.
Big game for their import, and the locals have contributed as well.

That is why it is good to bet for the underdogs in the PBA in the first few games since the opening of the conference because games are unpredictable and the odds for the underdogs are a little bit attractive, not too attractive because as I observed it is often pegged from 2.8x to 3.3x usually hehe.

Have you guys noticed that there's almost no crowd watching live games in the PBA now? Too bad since its rival MPBL is jam-packed every game as i noticed, if this will continue i think the PBA will be disbanded.

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Quote from: Sanitough on September 23, 2022, 07:38:35 AM

Coach Yeng debut as a new head coach of ROS has been ruined by his previous team.

IIRC, NLEX were +8.5 underdog, but it turns out they are the better team in this game.
Big game for their import, and the locals have contributed as well.

All the locals are contributing that's how the game being played, I was also in the impressions that RoS can easily win the game as they started it strong but coming 2nd half the explosions of Alas, Go and Nieto from the 3 point area gives them a boosting leads, then Clark start to work and create plays that makes them on top.

very low performances by the RoS after the first half. They've been outscored double digits and they are unable to rally back.

First game and there are lots of adjustment coach Yeng needs. Talent wise they are not that very competitive.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 23, 2022, 06:37:33 AM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2022, 06:26:12 AM

With the guest team and the trades that take place, we might see some good twist around.

The good twist would only happen on the big teams like the SMB and Pangilinan teams, others are just farm teams.

Quote from: Fredomago on September 23, 2022, 06:26:12 AM

Though still the dominance of those big companies is still present, but who knows, maybe surprise and upset may happen from independent teams.

I like to see that surprise you are talking, this guess team has not face TNT, SMB, and Ginebra, maybe we can see a real competition as these teams have good imports and local players as well.

Yes you are right that mate and for sure if the guess team will face Meralco, TNT, SMB Ginebra, and Magnolia then we can see a good matchup because our local team's will not letting the guess team will overtake them. But honestly if the play of Bay Area Dragons is like the way they play in their first match then all I can say is that it's a big challenge for our local team's to defeat our guess team.

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