2022–23 PBA Commissioner's Cup - page 265.

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Quote from: agustina2 on September 17, 2022, 06:42:54 AM

Quote from: Ben Barubal on September 17, 2022, 12:21:06 AM

Despite the many supporters of Ginebra, the team seems to have a hard time winning the championship, because let's face it, the new teams that entered the PBA field are not for nothing because they are undeniably strong. the players can also be considered and the Ginebra Team is also very difficult to beat.

Can you mention those new teams that are undeniably strong? Converge is the only new franchise in the league.

It's been several seasons and conferences already that teams from MVP and SMC are always battling in the Finals.

Ginebra also made championships every season since 2015 but in different conferences.

New imports I think but no new team, even Converge are a new team but their players are old.

Ginebra is very successful because of their good import Justin Brownlee, so these coming commissioners cup, let's see if we have a new import that could beat Brownlee as definitely that will not make Ginebra a champion again.

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Quote from: Ben Barubal on September 17, 2022, 12:21:06 AM

Despite the many supporters of Ginebra, the team seems to have a hard time winning the championship, because let's face it, the new teams that entered the PBA field are not for nothing because they are undeniably strong. the players can also be considered and the Ginebra Team is also very difficult to beat.

Can you mention those new teams that are undeniably strong? Converge is the only new franchise in the league.

It's been several seasons and conferences already that teams from MVP and SMC are always battling in the Finals.

Ginebra also made championships every season since 2015 but in different conferences.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 16, 2022, 11:57:29 PM

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They aren't doing it. Instead of focusing on the league to make it better, they are focusing on the 2 companies only. The competitiveness of the league is decreasing gradually because of these 2 companies and those independent teams are becoming milking teams. I will not be surprised if 5-10 years from now, 1 or 2 of these independent teams will sell their franchises to other companies.

I wonder if they don't notice the unpolishments and the incompetence of their league but I hope that they will still do something to fix their lapses and not just focus on earning money. Yes, it's business but I hope that they could still bring back the essence of this sport. PBA is starting to look more like a business than sports these past few seasons. It's getting unfair to teams and players but I wish that they would not sell their franchises despite what's happening.

I think it's very evident and so they have noticed it, but they can't do anything about it because the league is no longer that competitive unlike before. As you have said, it's turning out to be more of a business now, unlike before wherein players and team owners take it personally if I may put it that way. But now, it has change, only 2 teams are competing and they got the best players in the league because they have the money to offer.

Changing that means the owners themselves will try to think of a change, willingness to give up their majority control will make the PBA better, more teams, and no farm teams, that will help the league to become an interesting one like in the past.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 16, 2022, 11:57:29 PM

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They aren't doing it. Instead of focusing on the league to make it better, they are focusing on the 2 companies only. The competitiveness of the league is decreasing gradually because of these 2 companies and those independent teams are becoming milking teams. I will not be surprised if 5-10 years from now, 1 or 2 of these independent teams will sell their franchises to other companies.

I wonder if they don't notice the unpolishments and the incompetence of their league but I hope that they will still do something to fix their lapses and not just focus on earning money. Yes, it's business but I hope that they could still bring back the essence of this sport. PBA is starting to look more like a business than sports these past few seasons. It's getting unfair to teams and players but I wish that they would not sell their franchises despite what's happening.

I think it's very evident and so they have noticed it, but they can't do anything about it because the league is no longer that competitive unlike before. As you have said, it's turning out to be more of a business now, unlike before wherein players and team owners take it personally if I may put it that way. But now, it has change, only 2 teams are competing and they got the best players in the league because they have the money to offer.

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Quote from: blockman on September 13, 2022, 06:19:48 AM

I've missed the whole thing about the news that the SBP was in the Senate for a hearing.
(https://tiebreakertimes.com.ph/tbt/panlilio-marcial-raise-overseas-poaching-concerns-to-senate/249824)
Have you seen this news guys? So, this is about the Gilas and PBA concerns.

Was just aware the other day and I think there will be a lot of talk regarding that since they can't take those free will of these athletes, we're still a democratic one. They are likely saying it's a national issue since lot of pro leagues in Asia are recruiting the best players here, it's not just about PBA and Gilas I guess.

The thing with this issue is the salary, if they can compete with the offer internationally then why not compete with it? These players will always have an option to leave as long as they see the opportunity overseas and to further enhance their talents. For sure, other players may it a college or already a pro and given such opportunity will do the same.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 16, 2022, 11:57:29 PM

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They aren't doing it. Instead of focusing on the league to make it better, they are focusing on the 2 companies only. The competitiveness of the league is decreasing gradually because of these 2 companies and those independent teams are becoming milking teams. I will not be surprised if 5-10 years from now, 1 or 2 of these independent teams will sell their franchises to other companies.

I wonder if they don't notice the unpolishments and the incompetence of their league but I hope that they will still do something to fix their lapses and not just focus on earning money. Yes, it's business but I hope that they could still bring back the essence of this sport. PBA is starting to look more like a business than sports these past few seasons. It's getting unfair to teams and players but I wish that they would not sell their franchises despite what's happening.

They notice it but they just ignore those anomaly happening in the league because they cannot do anything if those billionaires say or do something unwanted on the league that's why the commissionaire cannot do anything against the will of those big corporation. PBA is business and greedy businessman only protect their own interest and not with the sports that's why I will not be surprised if PBA will slowly die since for sure the interest of the people will fade out, maybe MPBL will rise up due to this issues.

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Quote from: Cling18 on September 16, 2022, 11:57:29 PM

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They aren't doing it. Instead of focusing on the league to make it better, they are focusing on the 2 companies only. The competitiveness of the league is decreasing gradually because of these 2 companies and those independent teams are becoming milking teams. I will not be surprised if 5-10 years from now, 1 or 2 of these independent teams will sell their franchises to other companies.

I wonder if they don't notice the unpolishments and the incompetence of their league but I hope that they will still do something to fix their lapses and not just focus on earning money. Yes, it's business but I hope that they could still bring back the essence of this sport. PBA is starting to look more like a business than sports these past few seasons. It's getting unfair to teams and players but I wish that they would not sell their franchises despite what's happening.

Unlike way back where pride among competing teams PBA was very entertaining and fans are really supportive but with how the league turns now, there's nothing to expect though we can't prove that there's a manipulation behind but only to two giant companies was expected to see in the finals, mother companies or the extension or what we call it a branch hahaha.

Though it's still a competition since it's a different team owners that will be meeting in the championship series, but the classic rivalries as early as elimination is no longer there.

The spirit of the game is on the money that they will be earning, players and everyone around are controlled by the team managements there's no balance anymore, not sure if there's something that the government can help, but on my take here, it's the management of the League that's needed to step down and give the position to someone who can bring it back or maybe something that can change the image of this league.

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Since then and until now, Ginebra still has many supporters even though a lot has changed in the PBA industry here in the Philippines. Although many new teams have come out here.

Despite the many supporters of Ginebra, the team seems to have a hard time winning the championship, because let's face it, the new teams that entered the PBA field are not for nothing because they are undeniably strong. the players can also be considered and the Ginebra Team is also very difficult to beat.

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They aren't doing it. Instead of focusing on the league to make it better, they are focusing on the 2 companies only. The competitiveness of the league is decreasing gradually because of these 2 companies and those independent teams are becoming milking teams. I will not be surprised if 5-10 years from now, 1 or 2 of these independent teams will sell their franchises to other companies.

I wonder if they don't notice the unpolishments and the incompetence of their league but I hope that they will still do something to fix their lapses and not just focus on earning money. Yes, it's business but I hope that they could still bring back the essence of this sport. PBA is starting to look more like a business than sports these past few seasons. It's getting unfair to teams and players but I wish that they would not sell their franchises despite what's happening.

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Quote from: blockman on September 16, 2022, 05:51:51 PM

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They can't really match the salaries being offered in the other leagues because the cost of living there is different and we're on the lower part. That's why players that have been offered to play there have seen the opportunity that they'll never see in the PBA.
That one you've mentioned about adding team is one of it, it should be a regional additional and just like the other pro leagues in our country, they should do that so more fans and supports will get. But, I don't think they'll think about that, these commissioners are only thinking about themselves because they're paid well by the rich and farm teams in PBA.

Adding team in PBA is not easy, it cost a lot of money and right now it looks like PBA is just started to recover from the big drop that cause by pandemic so it's not profitable yet for PBA teams. Players going abroad is by their own choice, probably they will get more benefits when playing abroad and we cannot blame them if they accept he offer.

Honestly, they don't have to spend that much and there are many companies that want to be part of PBA. It's not about the PBA that will spend money on adding money but those are the companies willing to coordinate on how much it will cost for them to have their brand added and to be used as another team.

The problem with PBA right now isn't with the money that can be used in adding a team because like @blockman said, the companies will shoulder the expenses including the franchise and the salaries of the players.

This might be harsh and only my speculation but the problem why PBA isn't expanding because our commissioner is being controlled by 2 big companies (I will not say their names, but you know which companies I'm talking about). There are many companies that are interested in joining the PBA. Companies like SM, establishments like Cebuana and I think even Chooks to go is interested as well. The problem is these 2 companies are using Commissioner to not let them enter that's why PBA isn't adding more teams now. My speculation only but I guess some already knew it.

Quote from: samcrypto on September 16, 2022, 05:24:06 PM

What PBA needs to do is to focus on making the league better again, there's a lot of issues that they need to address PBA should start working on that.

They aren't doing it. Instead of focusing on the league to make it better, they are focusing on the 2 companies only. The competitiveness of the league is decreasing gradually because of these 2 companies and those independent teams are becoming milking teams. I will not be surprised if 5-10 years from now, 1 or 2 of these independent teams will sell their franchises to other companies.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 16, 2022, 05:24:06 PM

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They can't really match the salaries being offered in the other leagues because the cost of living there is different and we're on the lower part. That's why players that have been offered to play there have seen the opportunity that they'll never see in the PBA.
That one you've mentioned about adding team is one of it, it should be a regional additional and just like the other pro leagues in our country, they should do that so more fans and supports will get. But, I don't think they'll think about that, these commissioners are only thinking about themselves because they're paid well by the rich and farm teams in PBA.

Adding team in PBA is not easy, it cost a lot of money and right now it looks like PBA is just started to recover from the big drop that cause by pandemic so it's not profitable yet for PBA teams. Players going abroad is by their own choice, probably they will get more benefits when playing abroad and we cannot blame them if they accept he offer.

Honestly, they don't have to spend that much and there are many companies that want to be part of PBA. It's not about the PBA that will spend money on adding money but those are the companies willing to coordinate on how much it will cost for them to have their brand added and to be used as another team.

Quote from: samcrypto on September 16, 2022, 05:24:06 PM

What PBA needs to do is to focus on making the league better again, there's a lot of issues that they need to address PBA should start working on that.

They're not addressing it, they only addressed it because they're being called out and that made them nervous. The answers given by the comms aren't even enticing to hear and they only think of themselves. I just hope that B League would boycott the meeting that they'll about to have with the comms.

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Quote from: samcrypto on September 16, 2022, 05:24:06 PM

Adding team in PBA is not easy, it cost a lot of money and right now it looks like PBA is just started to recover from the big drop that cause by pandemic so it's not profitable yet for PBA teams. Players going abroad is by their own choice, probably they will get more benefits when playing abroad and we cannot blame them if they accept he offer. What PBA needs to do is to focus on making the league better again, there's a lot of issues that they need to address PBA should start working on that.

Not just the huge money required just to be listed as a PBA team but managing the whole team's daily operation is really huge as it's not just the players and coaching staff who will get the payroll but there are lots of things that needed to be spent on.

If there's no ongoing contract with a PBA team, I think there should be no issue with these players joining the foreign leagues. Aside from that, not all PBA players are being offered a contract to play abroad. They have to be popular and at least known as one of the best players in the PBA. It's hard to be part of the league outside the country as scouts also target players from other countries, not just here in PH.

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Quote from: goaldigger on September 16, 2022, 04:19:08 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on September 16, 2022, 04:17:17 PM

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

Probably players are not just going abroad because of money, most probably they feel that the league make them feel more important and give a fair playing time for them. PBA should address this issue professionally but it looks like they didn’t care at all as long as the top teams still have their own key players. Most of the players going abroad didn’t play that much in PBA, they actually skip it and probably not scared about the sanction of PBA. If we really want them to stay, there should be rules to follow but then again, it’s the choice of the player to go abroad.

Sooner or later, every rising star will be playing overseas. The balance inside PBA is the main concern of each player, even you want to play hard but if you are competing with the giant companies, there's nothing you can do. I like the what I've read from a social post, PBA's farm teams are being farm by overseas teams, how they can match to offer outside the country base from commissioner Marcial, they can't do nothing, but from my opinion, I can say that MVP and SMB are capable that's why the players or star players are still playing wearing their uniforms.

It's always possible for the franchise who have flowing money, they can just give the max under the contract while the excess can be done under the table or something that in terms of additional perks.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 16, 2022, 04:17:17 PM

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

That will not stop top cagers to play offshore though. You can add teams but what top player will play if they get better offer sheets from leagues abroad. Those teams will just be filled with mediocre players. Some will say that it is not all money but considering that athletes have expiry date on their productivity, most will choose to have higher pay even if they play abroad rather than in pba.

If we look on the positive side of it, our players get exposed to international experiences. They come back here a better player. We can always call them to play for gilas when the our country needs them.

Yes, if they are getting better pay, then obviously they sign on any league for that matter. And it could bring into the attention of the team owners, although they can't match what other league can offer, at least be competitive enough so that PBA players won't think of leaving our league and play somewhere. Some may question the players loyalty, and then it's all about the money. But it is what is it, they have careers and they have to protect themselves to get as much value as they can get before they retire.

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Quote from: arwin100 on September 16, 2022, 08:07:38 AM

PBA is already aware on this they already pointed out this problem and already goes on japan to have a meeting on B.league officials. But I doubt B.league official will listen to PBA governors since for sure they will just continue what they do as their own league grow more since Filipino fan base is huge.

The PBA delegation is not there to ask the B. League not to sign or limit hiring players under PBA. That was unprofessional and never it will be the priority of the PH delegations. They are there for partnerships like other Asian leagues are doing with their counterparts in different countries.

There are only 6 former PBA players that are currently in a contract with the Japan B League and only one of them breached the PBA contract and that is Kiefer Ravenam which is now settled. Other former PBA players there are not currently signed in a PBA team like Greg Slaughter who has a contract dispute with NorthPort and Matthew Wright with an ending contract with the Phoenix that's why it's just reasonable for them to accept the offer from B League.

It's not alarming that there are former PBA players in the Japan B League. What's the big issue here is, that it's more alarming that young potential players and prospects choose to play overseas compared to being drafted by the PBA.

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Quote from: blockman on September 16, 2022, 04:46:19 PM

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Nah, they've been called out in the senate for this and that's why they've been vocal. But honestly, all they're favoring are the huge and rich teams, especially with the trades. Well, they're worried now because too many players are playing now in B League and other leagues offshore as the player numbers are likely to deteriorate in the near future. Jay Washington who's even likely a veteran already has been offered to play in the B League and has got better pay than what he's receiving in the PBA. It's likely that B League is going to get and extract even veteran and retired PBA players soon.

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

They can't really match the salaries being offered in the other leagues because the cost of living there is different and we're on the lower part. That's why players that have been offered to play there have seen the opportunity that they'll never see in the PBA.
That one you've mentioned about adding team is one of it, it should be a regional additional and just like the other pro leagues in our country, they should do that so more fans and supports will get. But, I don't think they'll think about that, these commissioners are only thinking about themselves because they're paid well by the rich and farm teams in PBA.

Adding team in PBA is not easy, it cost a lot of money and right now it looks like PBA is just started to recover from the big drop that cause by pandemic so it's not profitable yet for PBA teams. Players going abroad is by their own choice, probably they will get more benefits when playing abroad and we cannot blame them if they accept he offer. What PBA needs to do is to focus on making the league better again, there's a lot of issues that they need to address PBA should start working on that.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 16, 2022, 04:17:17 PM

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

That will not stop top cagers to play offshore though. You can add teams but what top player will play if they get better offer sheets from leagues abroad. Those teams will just be filled with mediocre players. Some will say that it is not all money but considering that athletes have expiry date on their productivity, most will choose to have higher pay even if they play abroad rather than in pba.

If we look on the positive side of it, our players get exposed to international experiences. They come back here a better player. We can always call them to play for gilas when the our country needs them.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 16, 2022, 04:17:17 PM

Quote from: blockman on September 16, 2022, 04:08:14 PM

Nah, they've been called out in the senate for this and that's why they've been vocal. But honestly, all they're favoring are the huge and rich teams, especially with the trades. Well, they're worried now because too many players are playing now in B League and other leagues offshore as the player numbers are likely to deteriorate in the near future. Jay Washington who's even likely a veteran already has been offered to play in the B League and has got better pay than what he's receiving in the PBA. It's likely that B League is going to get and extract even veteran and retired PBA players soon.

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

They can't really match the salaries being offered in the other leagues because the cost of living there is different and we're on the lower part. That's why players that have been offered to play there have seen the opportunity that they'll never see in the PBA.
That one you've mentioned about adding team is one of it, it should be a regional additional and just like the other pro leagues in our country, they should do that so more fans and supports will get. But, I don't think they'll think about that, these commissioners are only thinking about themselves because they're paid well by the rich and farm teams in PBA.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on September 16, 2022, 04:17:17 PM

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

Probably players are not just going abroad because of money, most probably they feel that the league make them feel more important and give a fair playing time for them. PBA should address this issue professionally but it looks like they didn’t care at all as long as the top teams still have their own key players. Most of the players going abroad didn’t play that much in PBA, they actually skip it and probably not scared about the sanction of PBA. If we really want them to stay, there should be rules to follow but then again, it’s the choice of the player to go abroad.

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Well, what can we think of him? The same goes for A.Chua that has always been winning with the teams that they're incorporated.

Very vocal in front the media that they are willing to help and can send their players for the National but when the time comes, they didn't stop the game and continue for the finals, if only they allow Fajardo, Perez, Poguy and Erram. That 4 stars can help and make big damage in helping the National against Lebanon. Not here to bring back those past games, but I'm just trying to express my opinion with both Marcial and A.Chua. They don't have that commitment.

They are more on the business and how they can suck the money of those giant companies who are feeding them.

In our language "Mga asong amu-amuhan" nothing will be change if the commissioner and his boards are afraid. Maybe it's better for the government to takeover this league and bring the right balance.

Nah, they've been called out in the senate for this and that's why they've been vocal. But honestly, all they're favoring are the huge and rich teams, especially with the trades. Well, they're worried now because too many players are playing now in B League and other leagues offshore as the player numbers are likely to deteriorate in the near future. Jay Washington who's even likely a veteran already has been offered to play in the B League and has got better pay than what he's receiving in the PBA. It's likely that B League is going to get and extract even veteran and retired PBA players soon.

With what is happening, PBA will surely find a way to make changes to improve the league, they might not be able to match the salary standards offered by B-League and other leagues overseas, but they have to find a way to make players stay by adding more teams to accommodate more players, that way we won't easily notice who leaves the PBA due to lots of good players still in the league.

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