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Quote from: bisdak40 on April 12, 2022, 04:52:17 PM

Quote from: Japinat on April 12, 2022, 07:07:43 AM

Since we are talking of a good start, I guess I would bet on Ginebra in the first half because that's where they are good at. In the last 2 games, they all win the first half. So this will be my strategy, bet on the Ginebra to win in the 1st half, if they loss, bet on them live getting the ML.

This would be a very nice strategy but on my favorite bookies, these options/markets are not shown or not offered unlike in the NBA. How about the other bookies, are they offered?

Will do live betting for today and see if the trend continues. If Ginebra would win this game tonight then the chances of a game 7 is very high and also, there are reports that Japeth will be back so that will be a big help for them.

They need Japeth on this upcoming Game 4. Being behind 3-1 if ever they will lose again is a difficult task to bounce back even if that is possible. I can't trust handicap now as they always choked their big lead. Live betting is a good option but I think placing a Moneyline with Ginebra is a good choice too since there's no choice for them but to win this game.

2-2 is more likely to happen than Meralco 3-1.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 12, 2022, 07:07:43 AM

Since we are talking of a good start, I guess I would bet on Ginebra in the first half because that's where they are good at. In the last 2 games, they all win the first half. So this will be my strategy, bet on the Ginebra to win in the 1st half, if they loss, bet on them live getting the ML.

This would be a very nice strategy but on my favorite bookies, these options/markets are not shown or not offered unlike in the NBA. How about the other bookies, are they offered?

Will do live betting for today and see if the trend continues. If Ginebra would win this game tonight then the chances of a game 7 is very high and also, there are reports that Japeth will be back so that will be a big help for them.

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Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

As always, they can rely on the refs if the management wants this series to extend to game 7.

Also, Meralco could take the lead for 3-1 standing, but it does not mean the series could end soon because we all know that Ginebra is #NSD team, so they'll come back, of course with the help of the refs and tie the series. That's just some crazy scenario I'm seeing from this series.

That's a good drama that these two teams can bring. It can trap those bettors who love chasing Ginebra. There are some who use martingale

and if Meralco will take 3-1 it will be burn that strategy. Maybe yes or because of the fans, Ginebra will be more eager to bounce back and tie the

series, we never know till we witness how both teams will come up during the game. For both sides, it will be a very important game to win

both head coaches will be tested again.

Game 4 is a crucial game for Ginebra, they should not allow Meralco to take the big lead and never rely to their NSD mantra because it will be hard for them. Well, of referees are really with them we can see a game 7 here but I still believe on the integrity of the referees and will have a good calls which is fair for both teams. Ginebra should start to hassle now and do their best to have a good lead early on the game. If 3-1 happens in favor to Meralco, this could be the end for Ginebra.

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Quote from: Maslate on April 11, 2022, 04:11:43 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 11, 2022, 03:47:55 PM

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

As always, they can rely on the refs if the management wants this series to extend to game 7.

Also, Meralco could take the lead for 3-1 standing, but it does not mean the series could end soon because we all know that Ginebra is #NSD team, so they'll come back, of course with the help of the refs and tie the series. That's just some crazy scenario I'm seeing from this series.

That's a good drama that these two teams can bring. It can trap those bettors who love chasing Ginebra. There are some who use martingale

and if Meralco will take 3-1 it will be burn that strategy. Maybe yes or because of the fans, Ginebra will be more eager to bounce back and tie the

series, we never know till we witness how both teams will come up during the game. For both sides, it will be a very important game to win

both head coaches will be tested again.

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Quote from: Kelvinid on April 12, 2022, 06:18:26 AM

Quote from: Sanitough on April 12, 2022, 05:59:45 AM

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If Meralco will have a chance to take a big lead early in Game 4, expect they can maintain it and that's what Ginebra should have to work out. Meralco is doing great making a rally even behind big points, how much more if they are in the big lead.

This is what Ginebra should not allow, they'll be in trouble once the Meralco will take the lead early as they are good at maintaining the lead. It looks like the Meralco have already matured and they have the support from every guy on the floor to contribute, last game, Black wasn't scoring pretty well but the Bolts still manage to win.

This team is very unpredictable compared to Ginebra that we already know who would produce the offense.

Meralco is winning this series. LOL

I believe this will be a long series, Ginebra has to even the series, that's their biggest chance to come back and make it to game 7. Coach Tim Cone is the best coach in the PBA, so I'm sure he will find a way to beat the Meralco Boltz.

I'm curious what would be the betting odds in game 4, I hope Ginebra will only be -1.5 favorite again, they are good at that number.

If Ginebra will not win tomorrow in Game 4, Meralco will win this series for sure.
Meralco are now hungry to win after getting defeated by Ginebra thrice in PBA Finals. Tim Cone sure is one of the best coaches in PBA but not the best for me no offense though but only my opinion

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Lets also take note that Ginebra is playing without Pringle and Japeth compare to Meralco that has a complete roster. We know how injuries affect the outcomes of the series in playoffs right. I predicted Ginebra in 6-7 but will not surprised if Meralco will win this one.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 12, 2022, 07:07:43 AM

Since we are talking of a good start, I guess I would bet on Ginebra in the first half because that's where they are good at. In the last 2 games, they all win the first half. So this will be my strategy, bet on the Ginebra to win in the 1st half, if they loss, bet on them live getting the ML.

This could be more significant to them, they always have the lead but unfortunately they always fell short and lose the game.
I won't risk my bet for Ginebra in the first half since the game might be different now especially with Meralco having the lead I'm pretty sure they have more confidence now. I'll just place my bet and switch to Meralco right now to win game 4.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 12, 2022, 05:59:45 AM

Quote from: harizen on April 11, 2022, 06:42:45 PM

If Meralco will have a chance to take a big lead early in Game 4, expect they can maintain it and that's what Ginebra should have to work out. Meralco is doing great making a rally even behind big points, how much more if they are in the big lead.

This is what Ginebra should not allow, they'll be in trouble once the Meralco will take the lead early as they are good at maintaining the lead. It looks like the Meralco have already matured and they have the support from every guy on the floor to contribute, last game, Black wasn't scoring pretty well but the Bolts still manage to win.

This team is very unpredictable compared to Ginebra that we already know who would produce the offense.

Meralco is winning this series. LOL

I believe this will be a long series, Ginebra has to even the series, that's their biggest chance to come back and make it to game 7. Coach Tim Cone is the best coach in the PBA, so I'm sure he will find a way to beat the Meralco Boltz.

I'm curious what would be the betting odds in game 4, I hope Ginebra will only be -1.5 favorite again, they are good at that number.

Since we are talking of a good start, I guess I would bet on Ginebra in the first half because that's where they are good at. In the last 2 games, they all win the first half. So this will be my strategy, bet on the Ginebra to win in the 1st half, if they loss, bet on them live getting the ML.

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Quote from: Sanitough on April 12, 2022, 05:59:45 AM

Quote from: harizen on April 11, 2022, 06:42:45 PM

If Meralco will have a chance to take a big lead early in Game 4, expect they can maintain it and that's what Ginebra should have to work out. Meralco is doing great making a rally even behind big points, how much more if they are in the big lead.

This is what Ginebra should not allow, they'll be in trouble once the Meralco will take the lead early as they are good at maintaining the lead. It looks like the Meralco have already matured and they have the support from every guy on the floor to contribute, last game, Black wasn't scoring pretty well but the Bolts still manage to win.

This team is very unpredictable compared to Ginebra that we already know who would produce the offense.

Meralco is winning this series. LOL

I believe this will be a long series, Ginebra has to even the series, that's their biggest chance to come back and make it to game 7. Coach Tim Cone is the best coach in the PBA, so I'm sure he will find a way to beat the Meralco Boltz.

I'm curious what would be the betting odds in game 4, I hope Ginebra will only be -1.5 favorite again, they are good at that number.

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Quote from: harizen on April 11, 2022, 06:42:45 PM

If Meralco will have a chance to take a big lead early in Game 4, expect they can maintain it and that's what Ginebra should have to work out. Meralco is doing great making a rally even behind big points, how much more if they are in the big lead.

This is what Ginebra should not allow, they'll be in trouble once the Meralco will take the lead early as they are good at maintaining the lead. It looks like the Meralco have already matured and they have the support from every guy on the floor to contribute, last game, Black wasn't scoring pretty well but the Bolts still manage to win.

This team is very unpredictable compared to Ginebra that we already know who would produce the offense.

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Quote from: freedomgo on April 11, 2022, 04:09:37 AM

They were not able to sustain their dominance, Brownlee was defended well in the 2nd half, the reason why his production is lower compared to game 2. Japeth Aguilar's defense will be missed, unlike the Bolts who have Almazan and Hodge doing some pretty good job defending brownlee too.

Justin Brownlee is really off-night on that game. Even during the time Ginebra has a big lead, Brownlee isn't having a good production and instead, the locals are the ones who are making some adjustments. However, later in the game, Brownlee slowly keeping up with the phase but the locals got their gas lack at the end.

Meralco's Tony Bishop takes that advantage and tries to dominate Brownlee in every possession. No one can stop him on the paint and his FG% on the shaded area is really impressive.

If Meralco will have a chance to take a big lead early in Game 4, expect they can maintain it and that's what Ginebra should have to work out. Meralco is doing great making a rally even behind big points, how much more if they are in the big lead.

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Quote from: Maslate on April 11, 2022, 04:11:43 PM

Quote from: Yamifoud on April 11, 2022, 03:47:55 PM

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

As always, they can rely on the refs if the management wants this series to extend to game 7.

I've seen that many times that's why we need to be diligent when it comes to putting our bet, always analyze carefully the line offered as it could just be a trap from the smart bookmakers.

Quote from: Maslate on April 11, 2022, 04:11:43 PM

Also, Meralco could take the lead for 3-1 standing, but it does not mean the series could end soon because we all know that Ginebra is #NSD team, so they'll come back, of course with the help of the refs and tie the series. That's just some crazy scenario I'm seeing from this series.

Just like what SMB did few seasons back, they were able to win a championship after being down by 3-1 in the series, however, there's fajardo that time and I think it's an all Filipino cup. Here, we have player imports, if one import will struggle, then that's a big advantage on the opposing team.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on April 11, 2022, 03:47:55 PM

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

As always, they can rely on the refs if the management wants this series to extend to game 7.

Also, Meralco could take the lead for 3-1 standing, but it does not mean the series could end soon because we all know that Ginebra is #NSD team, so they'll come back, of course with the help of the refs and tie the series. That's just some crazy scenario I'm seeing from this series.

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Quote from: Fredomago on April 11, 2022, 11:33:17 AM

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The way how Meralco is defending Ginebra right now, yeah I will not be surprised as well if they will beat the Gin Kings.

JB struggled because of how Hodge is defending him. Hodge is like the Patrick Beverley of PBA where he is just annoying their shooter and not doing any stats like points etc. and we can see that he is very effective defending Brownlee because his performance dropped massively in the 2nd half. On the other hand, nobody can stop Bishop from scoring because they don't have any legit defender that can defend him. If only Japeth is playing :|.

There is a famous quote in sports that is "Offense win games, defense win championships" and with how Meralco is playing, they might defeat them though I will stick with my prediction

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Such adjustment that being done by coach Norman Black, the two coaches are very familiar with each other and I'm not going to be surprise also if we will see much dominant Ginebra coming this game 4, The defense is too tight for Brownlee and that's the courtesy of having Hodge who's more on winning the game instead of taking care of his personal stats.

But we can also expect explosions from Ginebra's locals. They are also unpredictable once the heat starts to fire up.

Another game to watch if who's going to dominate, either Ginebra will tie it up or Meralco will have a two game leads. Cool

Ginebra has the biggest chance of winning in game 3 because they have a huge crowd, I'm not sure in game 4 if they can even the series, maybe they just don't need a crowd to be on their side but the refs as well, you know what I'm saying. Grin

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on April 11, 2022, 07:33:34 AM

The way how Meralco is defending Ginebra right now, yeah I will not be surprised as well if they will beat the Gin Kings.

JB struggled because of how Hodge is defending him. Hodge is like the Patrick Beverley of PBA where he is just annoying their shooter and not doing any stats like points etc. and we can see that he is very effective defending Brownlee because his performance dropped massively in the 2nd half. On the other hand, nobody can stop Bishop from scoring because they don't have any legit defender that can defend him. If only Japeth is playing :|.

There is a famous quote in sports that is "Offense win games, defense win championships" and with how Meralco is playing, they might defeat them though I will stick with my prediction

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Such adjustment that being done by coach Norman Black, the two coaches are very familiar with each other and I'm not going to be surprise also if we will see much dominant Ginebra coming this game 4, The defense is too tight for Brownlee and that's the courtesy of having Hodge who's more on winning the game instead of taking care of his personal stats.

But we can also expect explosions from Ginebra's locals. They are also unpredictable once the heat starts to fire up.

Another game to watch if who's going to dominate, either Ginebra will tie it up or Meralco will have a two game leads. Cool

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

The way how Meralco is defending Ginebra right now, yeah I will not be surprised as well if they will beat the Gin Kings.

JB struggled because of how Hodge is defending him. Hodge is like the Patrick Beverley of PBA where he is just annoying their shooter and not doing any stats like points etc. and we can see that he is very effective defending Brownlee because his performance dropped massively in the 2nd half. On the other hand, nobody can stop Bishop from scoring because they don't have any legit defender that can defend him. If only Japeth is playing :|.

There is a famous quote in sports that is "Offense win games, defense win championships" and with how Meralco is playing, they might defeat them though I will stick with my prediction

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I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

Yes, SMB has done that before against Alaska and the turning point of that series is when June Mar Fajardo returns on that series.

Different from Ginebra as I don't consider a Japeth-less Ginebra should struggle against Meralco.

Totally agree mate. Justin Brownlee is the key for the GSM comeback on this series. Tim Cone is a very smart coach and he already beat Norman Black before on there previous championship match. GSM players is always relying to JB. When JB performance is good then his teammates show good performance too and vice versa. I don’t know what’s the problem they encounter they show weakness after there 1st quarter lead until they failed to recover. I almost thought GSM will get the lead after there 1st quarter performance.

They were not able to sustain their dominance, Brownlee was defended well in the 2nd half, the reason why his production is lower compared to game 2. Japeth Aguilar's defense will be missed, unlike the Bolts who have Almazan and Hodge doing some pretty good job defending brownlee too.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 04:54:56 PM

Exactly, they should win and even the series, or else they'll have a hard time going back from 3-1 deficit. I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

Of course, they should try to win the next game as being down to a 3-1 deficit is a difficult challenge.

They slow down after the halftime and I don't know what happened. Instead of Meralco being slow down as they are behind with several points, it's Ginebra who loses their momentum then eventually Meralco is able to bounce back. Ginebra choked on that game.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on April 10, 2022, 04:54:56 PM

I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

Yes, SMB has done that before against Alaska and the turning point of that series is when June Mar Fajardo returns on that series.

Different from Ginebra as I don't consider a Japeth-less Ginebra should struggle against Meralco.

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Yes and that's the reason why I think that this is really going to be reaching the series up to game 7. Well, that's what probably most of us really want to happen.
The longer it is, the exciting for the fans. But for these teams, it's going to be more crucial and exhausting for them so it's not just going to be a physical match but also a mental game which is draining.

They are used to having a game 7, Ginebra is more experience because they have lots of veterans on their roster. Joe Devance is now activated to match up the size of Meralco and somehow he contributed. This is a chess game, every team will adjust every time they lose a game, and expect an adjustment coming from Meralco in game 3.

That is for sure because they're going to be in the tough scenario especially if they become tie at 3-3. I'm guessing that it's going to happen at that point because that's the usual thing in the finals.
Yeah, a chess game and each piece of them is going to play important role and it's also a mind game for their respective coaches. That's what it is all about then depending on the tactics and counters of them.

Since today is Sunday, the venue might be sold out already and you will see a lot of Ginebra fans cheering for their team. Therefore, I believe that Ginebra will take the lead after the game tonight, but the next game will be Meralco which will even the series to make it a 2-2 series score. Actually, if Meralco will do a great job on Brownlee, their chance might increase because they are moving the ball well compared to the Ginebra IMO.

It really was sold out and a record breaking. PBA has announced the huge crowd that they've got this Sunday. With your speculation, you've got it wrong.
Meralco got it and maybe the game on Wednesday is going to be Ginebra's. Well, still going to have a long weekend so that Wednesday game could get a lot of crowd too.

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

Meralco didn’t dominate the game though, they are still struggling to take the lead and good thing here most of the free throws of Ginbera are off, and since Meralco really wants to win they are able to do so. This is not a surprise anymore, maybe I just expect more from Ginebra and thought that the Momentum is with them but the result is different. They should bounce back in next game because if Meralco wins again in game 4, it will he hard for Ginebra to win again.

Exactly, they should win and even the series, or else they'll have a hard time going back from 3-1 deficit. I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

3-1 Lead for Meralco is possible and yes Ginebra should do everything to avoid this, it will be hard for them if ever. I didn’t expect Ginebra to lose since they are doing great at first and even have a good lead but then again in the last quarter, good things happened on the side of Meralco. I’ll just bet again with Ginebra, this is their best chance to bounce back.

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I predicted right from the start that Ginebra will win in 6 games but I will not surprised now if this will go in 7 games. That would be better and a win-win situation for the audiences and the management as well

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You'll be more surprised if Meralco will win the series.

The way it's happening now, looks like Meralco is more dominant than the Gin Kings. You see, if JB would struggle, the entire roster will not be productive, and Meralco took advantage of that, also, Meralco's import is more confident now, I think this is the first time that he outperformed brownlee in an import to import duel.

Meralco didn’t dominate the game though, they are still struggling to take the lead and good thing here most of the free throws of Ginbera are off, and since Meralco really wants to win they are able to do so. This is not a surprise anymore, maybe I just expect more from Ginebra and thought that the Momentum is with them but the result is different. They should bounce back in next game because if Meralco wins again in game 4, it will he hard for Ginebra to win again.

Exactly, they should win and even the series, or else they'll have a hard time going back from 3-1 deficit. I don't know if they are at that scenario before, but I remember SMB had been and won the series, Ginebra is different though.

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