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March 18, 2024, 03:47:22 AM
Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

I agree with the post above that Converge being competitive can only be seen in import conferences (Governors & Commissioners). Their previous hired imports in the history of the franchise were solid and caliber imports such as Tom Vodanovich, Jamaal Franklin, and Quincy Miller.

And no, Converge does anything to keep Ahamnissi but since the latter is an unrestricted free agent, he can go and sign with whatever team he wants as his target but unfortunately, Converge doesn't seem the team he wants to stay with. But Converge needs to move forward.

That's what I like about the whole PBA Converge team from executives, managers, staff, etc. that they don't want to give baby treatment to anyone. If they think the player is not happy with them despite that they can match good offers from other teams, they will let go of that player. As for Coach Ayo, he also has the guts to tell their imports to always try to associate with the locals like what he did to Jamaal Franklin that known for ball hogging.

It always comes with a price, and I think coverge could not afford quality players that's why they are just keeping the players that are still in contract, but when they also become free agent too, they could leave and play with SMB, Ginebra or TNT, and will become worst for Converge. If they like to be competitive, they should consider giving offers that are hard to resist, I don't know the exact figures we are talking but that was the rumors I read.

Ahamnissi and Teng probably want a championship, but the price is right, they might stay. Or maybe if they are really serious, they could get a quality player like Mikey Williams, this guy has a big demand but could help a team to improve.
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March 17, 2024, 03:18:38 PM
Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.

I agree with the post above that Converge being competitive can only be seen in import conferences (Governors & Commissioners). Their previous hired imports in the history of the franchise were solid and caliber imports such as Tom Vodanovich, Jamaal Franklin, and Quincy Miller.

And no, Converge does anything to keep Ahamnissi but since the latter is an unrestricted free agent, he can go and sign with whatever team he wants as his target but unfortunately, Converge doesn't seem the team he wants to stay with. But Converge needs to move forward.

That's what I like about the whole PBA Converge team from executives, managers, staff, etc. that they don't want to give baby treatment to anyone. If they think the player is not happy with them despite that they can match good offers from other teams, they will let go of that player. As for Coach Ayo, he also has the guts to tell their imports to always try to associate with the locals like what he did to Jamaal Franklin that known for ball hogging.
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March 17, 2024, 10:20:13 AM
..it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

On the other hand, even though there's a defense, Magnolia is just draining every shot at every field. With a 52% percentage shooting they did, it means they are having hot hands that night that even well defended, their shots are draining every time.

Besides, I don't expect Converge to shine at the All-local Conference. They are clear to be eliminated after the regular games ended.

They are usually seen as competitive only during import conferences. I hope they can snipe a good import in the next import conference.

Converge is really not the same anymore ever since they let Ahamnissi ang Jeron Teng go. And there's a rumor that coach Ayo will be replace soon. I don't know if there can still make something to make this team competitive, because even if they have a good coach but the lack of quality players is the major problem I see in this team.
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March 16, 2024, 01:19:22 PM
..it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

On the other hand, even though there's a defense, Magnolia is just draining every shot at every field. With a 52% percentage shooting they did, it means they are having hot hands that night that even well defended, their shots are draining every time.

Besides, I don't expect Converge to shine at the All-local Conference. They are clear to be eliminated after the regular games ended.

They are usually seen as competitive only during import conferences. I hope they can snipe a good import in the next import conference.
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March 16, 2024, 01:16:05 PM

It was different compared to the first game as Converge were not able to come back. So far, we had witness the biggest win this season.

106-75... a 31 point victory, Magnolia just trying to prove that they are ready for the championship once again. Their first win and Converge losing streak continues to 5.  52% overall FG percentage, too high, it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.

Magnolia is known to have a tough defense especially when they are up, Converge is unmatched with Magnolia's experienced and like what you said, there's no system in terms of defense that Converge shows from this game, they just try to exchange scores but they are unfortune compared with Magnolia who still carrying their pride after being short winning the last conference title.

Magnolia with the same system and same executions, they are tough both defense and offense with very familiar blends of players inside the court they can simply execute and it's going to be smooth and seems like easy for each players who's playing inside the court.
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March 16, 2024, 08:32:42 AM
That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

By paper, yes that looks like unlikely but since this is PBA where people suspect there's some rigging of games happening, that has become a normal thing already, it could happen anytime and we should be ready to accept it and move on to the next game. Anyway, if we loss on that bet, we can bounce back today as we have 2 games lined up...

DYIP vs Blackwater at 3 pm.. this is like a 50-50 match up. I'll prefer to bet live to take advantage of the odds.

2nd game is Magnolia vs Converge, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first game of Magnolia this season, so coming from a long rest, they should dominate the winless converge (so far).

Big run by the DYIP to come back and win. Juami Tiongson's dagger gave his team a game winner where they won by 1 point only. There's a lot of comeback victory so far, good for bettors as this would provide a very attractive odds.

However, can it happen again in the current game, the last game?

59-73, Magnolia is up by 14 points, IIRC, the spread was around -15.5... so just a little push, they'll cover it.

It was different compared to the first game as Converge were not able to come back. So far, we had witness the biggest win this season.

106-75... a 31 point victory, Magnolia just trying to prove that they are ready for the championship once again. Their first win and Converge losing streak continues to 5.  52% overall FG percentage, too high, it clearly shows that Coverge doesn't play defense, no wonder they are at the bottom now.
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March 16, 2024, 07:47:16 AM
That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

By paper, yes that looks like unlikely but since this is PBA where people suspect there's some rigging of games happening, that has become a normal thing already, it could happen anytime and we should be ready to accept it and move on to the next game. Anyway, if we loss on that bet, we can bounce back today as we have 2 games lined up...

DYIP vs Blackwater at 3 pm.. this is like a 50-50 match up. I'll prefer to bet live to take advantage of the odds.

2nd game is Magnolia vs Converge, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first game of Magnolia this season, so coming from a long rest, they should dominate the winless converge (so far).

Big run by the DYIP to come back and win. Juami Tiongson's dagger gave his team a game winner where they won by 1 point only. There's a lot of comeback victory so far, good for bettors as this would provide a very attractive odds.

However, can it happen again in the current game, the last game?

59-73, Magnolia is up by 14 points, IIRC, the spread was around -15.5... so just a little push, they'll cover it.
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March 16, 2024, 02:56:39 AM
That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.

By paper, yes that looks like unlikely but since this is PBA where people suspect there's some rigging of games happening, that has become a normal thing already, it could happen anytime and we should be ready to accept it and move on to the next game. Anyway, if we loss on that bet, we can bounce back today as we have 2 games lined up...

DYIP vs Blackwater at 3 pm.. this is like a 50-50 match up. I'll prefer to bet live to take advantage of the odds.

2nd game is Magnolia vs Converge, if I'm not mistaken, this is the first game of Magnolia this season, so coming from a long rest, they should dominate the winless converge (so far).
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March 16, 2024, 02:18:11 AM
Gin Kings resident and already a franchise import, Justin Brownlee will play for the Indonesia Basketball League.

Don't worry Brgy. Ginebra fans, Brownlee is still the resident import for the team. Since PBA is currently in the Philippine Cup, Coach Tim allows Brownlee to play for other leagues. According also to Coach Tim, Brownlee will back to Ginebra in the next import conference in June.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/tim-cone-wishes-justin-brownlee-well-indonesian-basketball-league/

Also read this article, the sole purpose of Justin Brownlee playing for the Indonesian league is for him to keep fit as the import-back conference of the PBA is still far away, shake off the rust as they say.
But his heart belonged to the Philippines since he is a naturalized import. In fact, he is the most consistent import in the Philippines as we have naturalized players before but they are not consistently playing with the NBA conferences where imports area allowed.

He will be back soon, and yes he needs to keep himself fit and at the same time will earn decent money as I'm pretty sure the offer is good knowing how good he is and had proven it already when he carried the PH in the asian games.

Speaking of Ginebra, they were upset by the Meralco Bolts last night. Chris Newsome and Allen Maliksi led the way for the Bolts, scoring 19 and 25 points respectively.

That was out of expectation, LOL.. Who would thought Ginebra losing that big? I mean, no disrespect to Meralco but this team has been struggling early on, so we got caught up by surprise and we loss our bets as well.
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March 15, 2024, 10:44:04 PM
Gin Kings resident and already a franchise import, Justin Brownlee will play for the Indonesia Basketball League.

Don't worry Brgy. Ginebra fans, Brownlee is still the resident import for the team. Since PBA is currently in the Philippine Cup, Coach Tim allows Brownlee to play for other leagues. According also to Coach Tim, Brownlee will back to Ginebra in the next import conference in June.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/tim-cone-wishes-justin-brownlee-well-indonesian-basketball-league/

Also read this article, the sole purpose of Justin Brownlee playing for the Indonesian league is for him to keep fit as the import-back conference of the PBA is still far away, shake off the rust as they say.

Speaking of Ginebra, they were upset by the Meralco Bolts last night. Chris Newsome and Allen Maliksi led the way for the Bolts, scoring 19 and 25 points respectively.
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March 15, 2024, 07:41:26 PM
Gin Kings resident and already a franchise import, Justin Brownlee will play for the Indonesia Basketball League.

Don't worry Brgy. Ginebra fans, Brownlee is still the resident import for the team. Since PBA is currently in the Philippine Cup, Coach Tim allows Brownlee to play for other leagues. According also to Coach Tim, Brownlee will back to Ginebra in the next import conference in June.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/tim-cone-wishes-justin-brownlee-well-indonesian-basketball-league/
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March 15, 2024, 07:01:48 PM

He was well defended, Meralco didn't allow him to get hot. 2-10 shooting, he got the lowest percentage in the team, so it's really a bad night for him.

Aside from that, the biggest issue was actually the Turnovers of Ginebra. They made 19 here while Meralco only has 6. Ginebra are not a high TO team, they are careful with handling the ball as they move the ball well with less dribbling, but in this game they mess up, so a loss is just not surprising at all. They had a bad game, let's just accept that way and Meralco had a good game. Though it was a dominant performance by Meralco but it's just a one point victory and Meralco have to proved by being consistent, especially Maliksi.

Bad night for the Gin kings as they've got so many turnovers and they are not playing the same intensity from their previous game, it's  normal as we all teams have that kind of a night, even how hard they'll try if there's a mistake with how they execute their plays expect that it will not result to the outcome that they plan ahead, just need to move forward and accept the result, there are many games to compete back and bounce from this lost.

Same deal with those Gin kings backers just need to forget about this lost and try to find another game to bet, analyze before placing another bet to try recovering the lost.
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March 15, 2024, 01:29:27 PM

He was well defended, Meralco didn't allow him to get hot. 2-10 shooting, he got the lowest percentage in the team, so it's really a bad night for him.

Aside from that, the biggest issue was actually the Turnovers of Ginebra. They made 19 here while Meralco only has 6. Ginebra are not a high TO team, they are careful with handling the ball as they move the ball well with less dribbling, but in this game they mess up, so a loss is just not surprising at all. They had a bad game, let's just accept that way and Meralco had a good game. Though it was a dominant performance by Meralco but it's just a one point victory and Meralco have to proved by being consistent, especially Maliksi.
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March 15, 2024, 12:13:13 PM
What happened to the Ginebra San Miguel? They were dominated by the Meralco bolts ... (91-73).  I'm pretty sure bettors loss money in this game, luckily for me I didn't think of betting on this game because I had a busy schedule today.
Yeah, that was a trap. After a big win by Ginebra, people would think on backing them against a struggling Meralco bolts, but the result was way too opposite since not only Meralco won but winning by 18 points, that's kind of unusual. I never expected this would happen, thought Ginebra is a legit team and would dominate this season, but this one happened. They badly need Thompson to bring some energy to the team.

Malonzo was hot on their first game but had only scored 4 points this game. And again, Maliksi lead the team with 25 points, when he scored like this, most likely the Bolts will get a win. It's a much needed win for them and they just get a big one against a strong team.

He was well defended, Meralco didn't allow him to get hot. 2-10 shooting, he got the lowest percentage in the team, so it's really a bad night for him.
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March 15, 2024, 11:28:19 AM
What happened to the Ginebra San Miguel? They were dominated by the Meralco bolts ... (91-73).  I'm pretty sure bettors loss money in this game, luckyily for me I didn't think of betting on this game because I had a busy schedule today.

Malonzo was hot on their first game but had only scored 4 points this game. And again, Maliksi lead the team with 25 points, when he scored like this, most likely the Bolts will get a win. It's a much needed win for them and they just get a big one against a strong team.
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March 14, 2024, 06:33:35 PM
TNT seemed not moving on from Mikey Williams, they want him that's why his name has appear in the speculation again. They keep chasing him as they had already proven he is a good fit to the team ( based on what they achieved with him).

Unfortnately this guy wants to get paid big, it's his right to demand since he is a pro and he'll play according to the contract. it's not actually a big deal, TNT could just say yes or no, but since they counter, it means they are really desperate on getting him.

Yes, there are local players with talents as well, but TNT doesn't want them, they want a mixed breed  as it's more atheletic than pure Filipino. I'm sure we can noticed that most players that have dominated the PBA now are not pure blooded Filipino, only one I know who is full blooded that is dominating and that is our Abay JMF.
Yeah, it's his demand but if TNT won't obliged to pay him and there's no deal that will happen as TNT have kept their mouths shut after Williams negotiated for his 2nd rate after discussing things. Well, that's it and TNT is still a favorable team but they just have to scout out good players while many local players are being on the radar of getting traded, that's where they should focus their time and resources as they can get better and more loyal players to the franchise with that salary.
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March 14, 2024, 03:03:14 PM
He's brought championship to TNT and that's why he's demanding. But if I am the management of TNT, I'd just let it go because if someone don't have that passion to play for the team despite being paid that much, he should know that even this is a professional league and career, budget might be a problem for the team although they've been there around for a long time. There could even bigger problems as you've said since the salary cap is bypassed if granted his request for a bigger cap.

Saying Mikey Williams brought a championship to TNT is not an appropriate description to say, at least for me.

When TNT won the 2021 PBA Philippine Cup, Williams might have been the Finals MVP there but the whole cast of TNT also contributed big. It just happened that Williams topped the scorecard but overall, he's not the one who brought TNT a championship back then. Can't say he brought the championship in that case.

When TNT won the 2023 PBA Governors Cup, the league couldn't give the MVP to the import that's why the locals are chosen. But on the whole series, it was their import Hollis-Jefferson as the main reason why TNT dominated the Brgy. Ginebra in the Finals.

Mikey Williams has had a bad attitude even before. Always late in the practice without being noticed, always asking for a max salary increase even way back in his rookie season because he claimed he was good (yes he's good but not professional). TNT can move forward without him not unless Mikey Williams itself will be humble in returning to the team.

I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

TNT seemed not moving on from Mikey Williams, they want him that's why his name has appear in the speculation again. They keep chasing him as they had already proven he is a good fit to the team ( based on what they achieved with him).

Unfortnately this guy wants to get paid big, it's his right to demand since he is a pro and he'll play according to the contract. it's not actually a big deal, TNT could just say yes or no, but since they counter, it means they are really desperate on getting him.

Yes, there are local players with talents as well, but TNT doesn't want them, they want a mixed breed  as it's more atheletic than pure Filipino. I'm sure we can noticed that most players that have dominated the PBA now are not pure blooded Filipino, only one I know who is full blooded that is dominating and that is our Abay JMF.

It fits to chot's system so they are still pursuing to have him back even the kid have that attitude, he's promising as he got the same type of a skill set like Alapag and Castro, we know how chot  relied with these two stars and they are trying to duplicate that with Poguy and Williams combinations,  though I guess with his attitude it will be difficult for coach chot to develop him from how he wanted him him to be, not unless TNT will give him the money that he's asking but I doubt maybe he will accept it then demand for more after,  not sure what's the real score here but we just need to wait for more updates regarding to this negotiation that still ongoing for both Williams camp and TNT management.
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March 14, 2024, 11:49:38 AM
He's brought championship to TNT and that's why he's demanding. But if I am the management of TNT, I'd just let it go because if someone don't have that passion to play for the team despite being paid that much, he should know that even this is a professional league and career, budget might be a problem for the team although they've been there around for a long time. There could even bigger problems as you've said since the salary cap is bypassed if granted his request for a bigger cap.

Saying Mikey Williams brought a championship to TNT is not an appropriate description to say, at least for me.

When TNT won the 2021 PBA Philippine Cup, Williams might have been the Finals MVP there but the whole cast of TNT also contributed big. It just happened that Williams topped the scorecard but overall, he's not the one who brought TNT a championship back then. Can't say he brought the championship in that case.

When TNT won the 2023 PBA Governors Cup, the league couldn't give the MVP to the import that's why the locals are chosen. But on the whole series, it was their import Hollis-Jefferson as the main reason why TNT dominated the Brgy. Ginebra in the Finals.

Mikey Williams has had a bad attitude even before. Always late in the practice without being noticed, always asking for a max salary increase even way back in his rookie season because he claimed he was good (yes he's good but not professional). TNT can move forward without him not unless Mikey Williams itself will be humble in returning to the team.

I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

TNT seemed not moving on from Mikey Williams, they want him that's why his name has appear in the speculation again. They keep chasing him as they had already proven he is a good fit to the team ( based on what they achieved with him).

Unfortnately this guy wants to get paid big, it's his right to demand since he is a pro and he'll play according to the contract. it's not actually a big deal, TNT could just say yes or no, but since they counter, it means they are really desperate on getting him.

Yes, there are local players with talents as well, but TNT doesn't want them, they want a mixed breed  as it's more atheletic than pure Filipino. I'm sure we can noticed that most players that have dominated the PBA now are not pure blooded Filipino, only one I know who is full blooded that is dominating and that is our Abay JMF.
About Mikey Williams new can not say that he is very demanding but as we can see how he played in the court sometimes we can say that  big money is for him cause once a company paid him then he will do his very best to carry his team of course by the help of his teammates. But the main point here is Mikey Williams is a very good player he can adjust the possible scenario in the game. And he is already proven when he show his best.

Some of the players nowadays are not fully blooded Filipino cause we all know that some of them are half Filipino. But it doesn't matter as long  they are in here, living  having their Filipino citizenship then that's good.
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March 14, 2024, 10:39:56 AM
He's brought championship to TNT and that's why he's demanding. But if I am the management of TNT, I'd just let it go because if someone don't have that passion to play for the team despite being paid that much, he should know that even this is a professional league and career, budget might be a problem for the team although they've been there around for a long time. There could even bigger problems as you've said since the salary cap is bypassed if granted his request for a bigger cap.

Saying Mikey Williams brought a championship to TNT is not an appropriate description to say, at least for me.

When TNT won the 2021 PBA Philippine Cup, Williams might have been the Finals MVP there but the whole cast of TNT also contributed big. It just happened that Williams topped the scorecard but overall, he's not the one who brought TNT a championship back then. Can't say he brought the championship in that case.

When TNT won the 2023 PBA Governors Cup, the league couldn't give the MVP to the import that's why the locals are chosen. But on the whole series, it was their import Hollis-Jefferson as the main reason why TNT dominated the Brgy. Ginebra in the Finals.

Mikey Williams has had a bad attitude even before. Always late in the practice without being noticed, always asking for a max salary increase even way back in his rookie season because he claimed he was good (yes he's good but not professional). TNT can move forward without him not unless Mikey Williams itself will be humble in returning to the team.

I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.

TNT seemed not moving on from Mikey Williams, they want him that's why his name has appear in the speculation again. They keep chasing him as they had already proven he is a good fit to the team ( based on what they achieved with him).

Unfortnately this guy wants to get paid big, it's his right to demand since he is a pro and he'll play according to the contract. it's not actually a big deal, TNT could just say yes or no, but since they counter, it means they are really desperate on getting him.

Yes, there are local players with talents as well, but TNT doesn't want them, they want a mixed breed  as it's more atheletic than pure Filipino. I'm sure we can noticed that most players that have dominated the PBA now are not pure blooded Filipino, only one I know who is full blooded that is dominating and that is our Abay JMF.
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March 14, 2024, 10:10:09 AM
He's brought championship to TNT and that's why he's demanding. But if I am the management of TNT, I'd just let it go because if someone don't have that passion to play for the team despite being paid that much, he should know that even this is a professional league and career, budget might be a problem for the team although they've been there around for a long time. There could even bigger problems as you've said since the salary cap is bypassed if granted his request for a bigger cap.

Saying Mikey Williams brought a championship to TNT is not an appropriate description to say, at least for me.

When TNT won the 2021 PBA Philippine Cup, Williams might have been the Finals MVP there but the whole cast of TNT also contributed big. It just happened that Williams topped the scorecard but overall, he's not the one who brought TNT a championship back then. Can't say he brought the championship in that case.

When TNT won the 2023 PBA Governors Cup, the league couldn't give the MVP to the import that's why the locals are chosen. But on the whole series, it was their import Hollis-Jefferson as the main reason why TNT dominated the Brgy. Ginebra in the Finals.

Mikey Williams has had a bad attitude even before. Always late in the practice without being noticed, always asking for a max salary increase even way back in his rookie season because he claimed he was good (yes he's good but not professional). TNT can move forward without him not unless Mikey Williams itself will be humble in returning to the team.
I think this is the second time that Williams and the TNT have negotiated so I don't think that there will ever be third time even if he humbles himself. The problem with him is that, yes this is a livelihood to them but the opportunity that he's getting for that slot of his is being desired by the other players especially the local players that have talent and heart to play the game in the PBA. Well, TNT must just move and forget about him and ask some other players that are okay to be traded to land that slot for him.
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