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Regarding the world cup and the club that a particular player participates, there may be some kind of clash of interests, as there may be several unpleasant events during a world cup, injuries, unavailable that a player may suffer when he returns to play at your club or even the attrition/fatigue that a player may experience after participating in a world cup.

If I'm not mistaken, according to FIFA rules, a club cannot refuse a player to participate in official matches by countries. Therefore, even with conflicts of interest, it is a risk that everyone will have to accept.

What happens sometimes is that the club and player make some persosion with the technical team, to be little used on certain occasions.
So far what I know of the latest FIFA rules for 2022 :

1. The Match Only Runs 2x30 minutes
2. Stop Time When The Ball Comes Out Or There Is A Violation
3. There Are No Throw-ins
4. No substitution limit for player
5. Players who get a yellow card can be suspended for 5 minutes

so it's possible that if a player gets injured and can't play then the management or coach may include him to sit on the field on the bench but to go into the match directly in my opinion it's very risky because it can accidentally worsen the injury of players who force themselves to play when his condition is still not fully recovered.
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They would be strong, in fact if you check the odds Argentina is a bit more luckier right now, but to be fair even if they play perfectly, it is a team game and it still depends on the team. Sure you saw them do amazing things in their clubs but not like one came from getafe and retired at levante or something, one played Barcelona all his career aside from the last season, and the other has places like United and Madrid on his resume, meaning they always had good teams backing them while them being great players.

If you put them into some barely surviving relegation team, they would still be awesome but they wouldn't have the records they have now. Which comes to my conclusion, they can't pick their national team, meaning they would be forced to play with whatever roster that nation has that year.

Argentina has a huge selection of players and their national team is very strong, the fact is that only the strongest teams remain in the playoffs of the World Cup and there are no weak ones. And since only one match is played there, luck also plays a big role. It is always difficult to assess the state of the national team, because all the players train separately from each other, each in his own club, some are physically better, some are worse, so it is always difficult to make any predictions for national teams.
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Past accomplishments don't guarantee anything, especially if we're talking about tournaments like the Copa América (where Argentina has one big rival, Brazil) or the Finalisima, FIFA's next "important" one-game tournament. Argentina has a good team, but there will be many good teams at the World Cup and they will definitely not be the favorite there. As for Messi, even earlier, from tournament to tournament, his contribution was unstable, so it is not known how well he will play in Qatar.

Messi's contribution to his national team has not been bad. However, it has not yet reached the level we expect. In the 2018 World Cup, the performance of Lionel Messi was not very stellar. In 2014, however, I believe we can safely say he was the one who carried Argentina to the World Cup finals by himself.

But the problem is he is not getting younger. He is quite old right now and that is obviously going to have an effect on his performance. Personally, I don’t think he will be able to do anything amazing in the upcoming World Cup. But if we do see something amazing from him I think there is no reason to be surprised as it is going to be his last World Cup.

He had both successful tournaments (with a national team) and not so good ones. If I remember correctly at the 2010 World Cup, he was the record holder for the number of shots thrown but scored 0 goals and made 0 assists. He is getting older and this will be his last World Cup, but I think a lot will depend on the shape in which he comes to this competition - if he is ok then the age will not be felt much. But in general, everything will depend on the general condition of the team, plus on the opponents, everyone has a chance.
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Regarding the world cup and the club that a particular player participates, there may be some kind of clash of interests, as there may be several unpleasant events during a world cup, injuries, unavailable that a player may suffer when he returns to play at your club or even the attrition/fatigue that a player may experience after participating in a world cup.

If I'm not mistaken, according to FIFA rules, a club cannot refuse a player to participate in official matches by countries. Therefore, even with conflicts of interest, it is a risk that everyone will have to accept.

What happens sometimes is that the club and player make some persosion with the technical team, to be little used on certain occasions.
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By the way, it's very interesting why FIFA rate Belgium so highly, who never achieve high results in the World Cup or the European Championship, but always make them one of the favourites...
As for Messi, he's like Ronaldo, who also didn't have a World Cup winner's cup... You can write Portugal as champions by such criteria... Grin
The FIFA rankings are always suspicious because they use a complex formula to determine the rankings and that is why they produce such weird results, now do not get me wrong Belgium is a good team but they are not the second best national team around the world, as there are several teams I would put ahead of them without thinking about it and I am sure a great deal of the fans and experts will agree with me about it.
This rating most likely includes the number of top players, and Belgium have a lot of such players... I don't see any other reason why FIFA rates this team so highly... It's like PSG who have a star squad and all the time everyone thinks they should win the Champions League, but it doesn't happen regularly...
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By the way, it's very interesting why FIFA rate Belgium so highly, who never achieve high results in the World Cup or the European Championship, but always make them one of the favourites...
As for Messi, he's like Ronaldo, who also didn't have a World Cup winner's cup... You can write Portugal as champions by such criteria... Grin
The FIFA rankings are always suspicious because they use a complex formula to determine the rankings and that is why they produce such weird results, now do not get me wrong Belgium is a good team but they are not the second best national team around the world, as there are several teams I would put ahead of them without thinking about it and I am sure a great deal of the fans and experts will agree with me about it.
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I agree with @KTChampions opinion about World Cup match held on middle years usually, but this World Cup time all player have to play for his team until above ten match or weeks before back to their country and playing for World Cup. Bad thing happen to all player actually with European player because they will back to the club and continue domestic and Champion League again without have time for recovery and take rest. Next we will see with many player complaint about why World Cup edition held not on usually time, where every World Cup always play on middle years but this time have been different than usually.
Well, participating in this conversation, I also believe the World Cup is the most prestigious event in the world, I even imagine that it is because of its frequency, which is every 4 years that a World Cup is held.

Regarding the world cup and the club that a particular player participates, there may be some kind of clash of interests, as there may be several unpleasant events during a world cup, injuries, unavailable that a player may suffer when he returns to play at your club or even the attrition/fatigue that a player may experience after participating in a world cup.

Of course, what I said just above is not 100% assertive, it could happen randomly with a player, team or even a country.
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Players from each country are also included in the team even though the name of the country is mentioned, so obviously you can't rely on just one player because each team needs cooperation to bring victory to their country. I think this world cup will be much more exciting to watch because there are a lot of great young players to be seen on the pitch.
Again, I have to say, that a country's collectivity requires cooperation between one player and another, commented before I have said that, soccer does not only rely on one star player, especially now that many young players are starting to shine in various countries , and they play in the top club for now, so it is very difficult to make predictions and Argentina will not be easy to advance to the final or become the World Cup champion ahead

I'm just curious why so far only Argentina and Messi have been candidates for the world cup title, whether it's because this is Messi's last chance or purely because Argentina's squad is great in every position. But I doubt if you think about every great Argentine player in every position, because you only attribute him to Messi. Meanwhile, Messi is currently at PSG saying not having a good performance but for some reason, then they think Messi is capable of winning the world cup title with Argentina while his performance has decreased and that is reflected in some of his feedback at PSG.
Because the previous comment said that Leonel Messi would risk all efforts to win the World Cup champion and this was also the last opportunity for Mega Stars to compete, as you said, at PSG Messi did not have a pretty good performance last season after the move from Barcelona, ​​only The problem of the quality of a Messi quality before retirement to play in the World Cup and I thought it was quite difficult for him to win the championship

Football is not a sport played with a single player. You are a team with 11 players  and you are trying to beat the opposing team. I mean, a team can have a star player, but if the rest of the team can't adapt to it, success won't come. Look, Messi has been criticized for years in the Argentina national team. They couldn't get the expected efficiency from him, but we all know that Messi is one of the two best football players in the world individually.
The quality of an individual a player will be needed in a team, the influence possessed by the player can give more value, but the quality of Messi is now much different from before, to enter the final or win the Argentine champion cannot rely on him, because if the team's cohesiveness and cooperation does not work, Messi will not be able to do anything
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Messi and Ronaldo are hard to compare. When a match is locked, both can force something. Only Messi has to dribble past a lot of people for that, and Ronaldo is a real finisher. It may be the last World Cup for both. The chance is not great that one of them will become world champions, but for both it would be the crown on their career. Messi won the Copa Americana last year, and Ronaldo has already won the European Championship once. But the World Cup is of course a bit heavier. I estimate Portugal and Argentina to be about equally strong. They should both be able to get through the group without any problems.
They would be strong, in fact if you check the odds Argentina is a bit more luckier right now, but to be fair even if they play perfectly, it is a team game and it still depends on the team. Sure you saw them do amazing things in their clubs but not like one came from getafe and retired at levante or something, one played Barcelona all his career aside from the last season, and the other has places like United and Madrid on his resume, meaning they always had good teams backing them while them being great players.

If you put them into some barely surviving relegation team, they would still be awesome but they wouldn't have the records they have now. Which comes to my conclusion, they can't pick their national team, meaning they would be forced to play with whatever roster that nation has that year.
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Messi's contribution to his national team has not been bad. However, it has not yet reached the level we expect. In the 2018 World Cup, the performance of Lionel Messi was not very stellar. In 2014, however, I believe we can safely say he was the one who carried Argentina to the World Cup finals by himself.

But the problem is he is not getting younger. He is quite old right now and that is obviously going to have an effect on his performance. Personally, I don’t think he will be able to do anything amazing in the upcoming World Cup. But if we do see something amazing from him I think there is no reason to be surprised as it is going to be his last World Cup.


age factor is not a serious problem for messi and the argentina squad, it is proven that he still has excellent stamina and physically maintained.
the real problem is collectivity in a team, if messi and his friends can play with the collective as a team. I think argentina is a tough opponent for all the teams that will meet later.
Statistically Argentina is pretty good with 6 draws 11 wins in 17 matches.  this time I'm sure messi and the argentina squad will give their best game to get the world cup title.
Messi is not a targetman in the game, unlike Ronaldo who only waits for the ball to score but Messi is not. But unfortunately, even though this will be the last world cup match for Messi and at the same time age will still affect him. It doesn't matter if a player has a good history, but as he ages his performance will decrease a bit, you can compare how young and old players play. At least there will always be differences, like they won't move as much as young players do. But even so, I also acknowledge the performance of Messi and Messi still has the ability to create good gaps to score goals and even, Messi can create chances for his team-mates too.

Messi and Ronaldo are hard to compare. When a match is locked, both can force something. Only Messi has to dribble past a lot of people for that, and Ronaldo is a real finisher. It may be the last World Cup for both. The chance is not great that one of them will become world champions, but for both it would be the crown on their career. Messi won the Copa Americana last year, and Ronaldo has already won the European Championship once. But the World Cup is of course a bit heavier. I estimate Portugal and Argentina to be about equally strong. They should both be able to get through the group without any problems.
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I do agree that big clubs played badly in nations league but that was only because they didn't care about that and it is only a glorified friendly and nothing more. Now? Now we are talking about that actually means something and that is why I agree that it is going to be something special.
I know for a fact that England would not play the same for example, because they wouldn't be changing the line up to see who is available, they will be actually putting all the best they could into this, and play the way they know, they barely lost the Euros just recently. So, I believe that we are in for a big ride, and that is going to definitely be awesome for all the viewers.
I'm not sure that teams will evaluate the World Cup as seriously as previous World Cups. Team competition in the middle of the season? Against the background of the fact that Infantino threatens to hold the World Cup every two years? It seems to me that the importance of this World Cup has already been compromised, of course it will be evaluated more seriously than the League of Nations due to historical reasons, but how much?

I have to disagree with you on this one. The World Cup is the most famous and prestigious tournament in the world for football. I believe all the players agree with that as well. A player should be able to concentrate on his national duties for the World Cup. For that, if he has to sacrifice his club performance, I think he should. There is no tournament bigger than the World Cup, in my opinion. I also believe that the players should treat the World Cup like that. And I really don’t care how any team plays in the UEFA Nations League. Because no one actually cares about the UEFA Nations League.

I agree with you. We currently have many different  football competitions in the world, from the League of Nations to the Olympic football tournament, but the World Cup is still the most important football competition in international football and will remain so.
The League of Nations is only interesting to small football nations, such as Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, as an additional chance to appear in the European Championship, and that's all.
For the best football nations, the League of Nations is just a good preparation for the European or World Championships.
Of course, UEFA is making good money from the new competition from TV and mmarketing rights, let's not forget that  Grin
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Messi's contribution to his national team has not been bad. However, it has not yet reached the level we expect. In the 2018 World Cup, the performance of Lionel Messi was not very stellar. In 2014, however, I believe we can safely say he was the one who carried Argentina to the World Cup finals by himself.

But the problem is he is not getting younger. He is quite old right now and that is obviously going to have an effect on his performance. Personally, I don’t think he will be able to do anything amazing in the upcoming World Cup. But if we do see something amazing from him I think there is no reason to be surprised as it is going to be his last World Cup.


age factor is not a serious problem for messi and the argentina squad, it is proven that he still has excellent stamina and physically maintained.
the real problem is collectivity in a team, if messi and his friends can play with the collective as a team. I think argentina is a tough opponent for all the teams that will meet later.
Statistically Argentina is pretty good with 6 draws 11 wins in 17 matches.  this time I'm sure messi and the argentina squad will give their best game to get the world cup title.
Messi is not a targetman in the game, unlike Ronaldo who only waits for the ball to score but Messi is not. But unfortunately, even though this will be the last world cup match for Messi and at the same time age will still affect him. It doesn't matter if a player has a good history, but as he ages his performance will decrease a bit, you can compare how young and old players play. At least there will always be differences, like they won't move as much as young players do. But even so, I also acknowledge the performance of Messi and Messi still has the ability to create good gaps to score goals and even, Messi can create chances for his team-mates too.
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I agree with @KTChampions opinion about World Cup match held on middle years usually, but this World Cup time all player have to play for his team until above ten match or weeks before back to their country and playing for World Cup. Bad thing happen to all player actually with European player because they will back to the club and continue domestic and Champion League again without have time for recovery and take rest. Next we will see with many player complaint about why World Cup edition held not on usually time, where every World Cup always play on middle years but this time have been different than usually.

Complaints from players will certainly be felt. but for clubs, players who are called up to defend the national team will complain more. Not to mention for a team that is almost all of the good players the national team needs. It will be a big loss for the club. Not to mention when the player finally suffered an injury while competing in the world cup.
it looks like the schedule of the leagues in Europe must also be adjusted first.

I assume that this delay is due to the epidemic and the ongoing war.
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Messi's contribution to his national team has not been bad. However, it has not yet reached the level we expect. In the 2018 World Cup, the performance of Lionel Messi was not very stellar. In 2014, however, I believe we can safely say he was the one who carried Argentina to the World Cup finals by himself.

But the problem is he is not getting younger. He is quite old right now and that is obviously going to have an effect on his performance. Personally, I don’t think he will be able to do anything amazing in the upcoming World Cup. But if we do see something amazing from him I think there is no reason to be surprised as it is going to be his last World Cup.


age factor is not a serious problem for messi and the argentina squad, it is proven that he still has excellent stamina and physically maintained.
the real problem is collectivity in a team, if messi and his friends can play with the collective as a team. I think argentina is a tough opponent for all the teams that will meet later.
Statistically Argentina is pretty good with 6 draws 11 wins in 17 matches.  this time I'm sure messi and the argentina squad will give their best game to get the world cup title.
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I agree with @KTChampions opinion about World Cup match held on middle years usually, but this World Cup time all player have to play for his team until above ten match or weeks before back to their country and playing for World Cup. Bad thing happen to all player actually with European player because they will back to the club and continue domestic and Champion League again without have time for recovery and take rest. Next we will see with many player complaint about why World Cup edition held not on usually time, where every World Cup always play on middle years but this time have been different than usually.
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I'm not sure that teams will evaluate the World Cup as seriously as previous World Cups. Team competition in the middle of the season? Against the background of the fact that Infantino threatens to hold the World Cup every two years? It seems to me that the importance of this World Cup has already been compromised, of course it will be evaluated more seriously than the League of Nations due to historical reasons, but how much?

I have to disagree with you on this one. The World Cup is the most famous and prestigious tournament in the world for football. I believe all the players agree with that as well. A player should be able to concentrate on his national duties for the World Cup. For that, if he has to sacrifice his club performance, I think he should. There is no tournament bigger than the World Cup, in my opinion. I also believe that the players should treat the World Cup like that. And I really don’t care how any team plays in the UEFA Nations League. Because no one actually cares about the UEFA Nations League.

It is obvious that this approach does not suit the clubs that pay money to the players. And it seems to me that despite the entire historical prestige of the World Cup, the players also understand who pays them money  Wink In fact, the World Cup is more of an entertainment for ordinary people who are not usually interested in football. True fans understand that the most important thing happens at the club level because there is a more flexible system than "I was born there and can only play for one team in my life."
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I do agree that big clubs played badly in nations league but that was only because they didn't care about that and it is only a glorified friendly and nothing more. Now? Now we are talking about that actually means something and that is why I agree that it is going to be something special.
I know for a fact that England would not play the same for example, because they wouldn't be changing the line up to see who is available, they will be actually putting all the best they could into this, and play the way they know, they barely lost the Euros just recently. So, I believe that we are in for a big ride, and that is going to definitely be awesome for all the viewers.
I'm not sure that teams will evaluate the World Cup as seriously as previous World Cups. Team competition in the middle of the season? Against the background of the fact that Infantino threatens to hold the World Cup every two years? It seems to me that the importance of this World Cup has already been compromised, of course it will be evaluated more seriously than the League of Nations due to historical reasons, but how much?

I have to disagree with you on this one. The World Cup is the most famous and prestigious tournament in the world for football. I believe all the players agree with that as well. A player should be able to concentrate on his national duties for the World Cup. For that, if he has to sacrifice his club performance, I think he should. There is no tournament bigger than the World Cup, in my opinion. I also believe that the players should treat the World Cup like that. And I really don’t care how any team plays in the UEFA Nations League. Because no one actually cares about the UEFA Nations League.
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With Argentina and Brazil, both are coming from South America with having too many quality players but not good enough combination as mostly players are playing in different leagues, and they have no good practice which is also very important for the strong result.
that's not a big problem as long as the players from those football countries can build very good chemistry between any players. It doesn't matter if any members in the national clubs have been playing in the various competition. The main point is about how to build a very good relationship between one to the each other and it's not about having different play style will affect their performance. You're a bit wrong about that
I don't understand why so much fuss is made about Argentina and Brazil. They haven't been world champions for a long time and there are many other national teams that play football no worse or even better. Spain, Germany, England can also become champions, but we are talking about Brazil or Argentina for some reason.
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Argentina comes to Qatar with positive capital, namely the 2021 Copa America champion, the 2022 Finalisima champion. And an unbeaten record since 2019. I think this will be the capital for Argentina to win the world cup. I agree with you, Argentina is not only Messi but there are many other potential players.
Past accomplishments don't guarantee anything, especially if we're talking about tournaments like the Copa América (where Argentina has one big rival, Brazil) or the Finalisima, FIFA's next "important" one-game tournament. Argentina has a good team, but there will be many good teams at the World Cup and they will definitely not be the favorite there. As for Messi, even earlier, from tournament to tournament, his contribution was unstable, so it is not known how well he will play in Qatar.

Messi's contribution to his national team has not been bad. However, it has not yet reached the level we expect. In the 2018 World Cup, the performance of Lionel Messi was not very stellar. In 2014, however, I believe we can safely say he was the one who carried Argentina to the World Cup finals by himself.

But the problem is he is not getting younger. He is quite old right now and that is obviously going to have an effect on his performance. Personally, I don’t think he will be able to do anything amazing in the upcoming World Cup. But if we do see something amazing from him I think there is no reason to be surprised as it is going to be his last World Cup.
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With Argentina and Brazil, both are coming from South America with having too many quality players but not good enough combination as mostly players are playing in different leagues, and they have no good practice which is also very important for the strong result.
that's not a big problem as long as the players from those football countries can build very good chemistry between any players. It doesn't matter if any members in the national clubs have been playing in the various competition. The main point is about how to build a very good relationship between one to the each other and it's not about having different play style will affect their performance. You're a bit wrong about that
If sufficient training time and conditions are provided, the chemistry of each team will be compatible with each other. Individually, they can play in different leagues, in different countries, but we must not forget that they speak the same language. That's why they are so successful in chemistry. Of course, adequate opportunities should be given as training. I am sure they will be successful after a short adaptation period.
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